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[StakFallT]

I gotta say that would probably set me right over the edge; getting the lvl 20+ trophy and loosing it and not being able to recover it, as someone above me mentioned...This game has been an absolute fiasco with trophies. I for one don't think I will be buying another BioWare game ever. The glitches, trophy unlocking problems, lack of (to me) a unique storyline (feels like I was punished the 100+ hours to complete it the first time around). And silly trophies that basically show off who has less of a life than actual talent. I suppose thinking about, realistically their should be at least a balance; because, as with the PSN exlusive Pain, it goes the opposite extreme where the time to achieve any of them is so small that I'd bet hardcore most (not all) of those are just sheer luck). All in all, I think Sony REALLY needs to start heavy handing the QA stuff, everything from not allowing things to be released that are glitchy, or slapping devs that put in trophies that have no real creative thought behind them. Most of the trophies in DA:O are so obvious, that in just knowing a few and the story alone, one could probably guess them all or get really close. Honestly, who cares someone spent hours upon hours; or exploited, to get lvl 20+ on three different classes. Who has time to rerun stuff over and over again because certain trophies didn't unlock (And possibly never have them unlock even during the rerunning). Sad part is, I'll wind up doing it, just because I can't seem to not-do-it.

And as I mentioned in my previous post, it's not like we can just delete the trophies and say forget DA:O and only play it offline so it doesn't mess with our trophy list. The whole trophy system in general really needs going over by Sony imho. The whole hands off approach by Sony (Not paying for exclusives like Microsoft does, and not addressing fundamental features like trophies) is what's going to kill this console. Problems don't just fix themselves because the devs (Whether they be Sony devs or Bioware devs) want to bury their heads in the sand and pretend like it doesn't exist.

EDIT: Various gramatical and spelling mistakes.

Modifié par StakFallT, 06 mars 2010 - 11:33 .

[EhRaD]

I lost three trophies. Already tried playing offline and nothing happens. I already finished the game once, so, I'm giving up right now. I'll cancel my Awakening pre-order, too. I tried contact sony and Bioware, but nothing positive. I think everybody should do the same, they are joking with our money.

[StakFallT]

I feel your pain man; I think I'm going to do the same (Just walk away from the game), even though you can't really completely walk away from it, beings as how you, the rest of the community that are having problems, and myself are still shafted because you can't just forget about the game since it's now on your trophy list for others to see. I've thought about contacting Bioware, but then I realized, they have huge amount of "outs" given how there's so many factors they could claim that go into trophy unlocking. Trophies that are based on choosing sides in a stroy should be easy, period. For example, the Annulment Invoker. I've heard so many differening claims that "Have Morigan not in the group, or have her in it", "kill...don't kill certain npcs" "Use or don't use an item" "choose this dialogue option or not". It should simple, it should be the point, it should be obvious. period. And you know what they will say when you call them (If they even offer to help on a trophy issue)... the standard help-desk run around... "Did you try _insert_suggestion_here". Well ok that's just fantastic, that option was two hours worth of playtime back. And you know that's not going to actually work, but you appease the customer service help anyhow, just so you can honestly say you tried it, and it didn't work. So now it's rinse and repeat with the customer service for an issue that should not be an issue in the first place. And in DA:O just due to the style of play the game is, there's like a billion (Ok obviously not a billion, but ALOT) factors that they could claim come into play that really should not have anything to do with a trophy at all.

The more and more I think about it, the more and more I think this is the last BioWare game I buy. ever. It's a shame really, because I do enjoy the DnD style dice type of combat rules, as was in here as was with Baulder's (sp?) Gate 2, and NWN. Maybe I'll just stick to PC releases, where accomplishments aren't necessarily readily seeable (As one would have to goto the site and view the profile; it's not like part of the operating system). There's just simply no way to know if future console releases will be as infuriating. I simply cannot put time into a game that does not do what it's supposed to, and no recourse for the customer when said product does not perform as expected; creating hours upon hours of just trying to redo what it was that was supposed to happen only to very possibly still not have it behave. And it's not even like you can walk away from the damn thing either, that's what really kills me. It's not like we can just chalk the game up to a bad release, delete the trophies on the list, and pray the next Bioware game is better made.

Modifié par StakFallT, 07 mars 2010 - 05:53 .

[atonyc68]

EhRaD wrote...

I lost three trophies. Already tried playing offline and nothing happens. I already finished the game once, so, I'm giving up right now. I'll cancel my Awakening pre-order, too. I tried contact sony and Bioware, but nothing positive. I think everybody should do the same, they are joking with our money.

So you were completely offline, including not being connected to the dragon age servers? I was in the same boat as you, but have got'n all my trophies back including the archmage trophy, which i was pissed to lose, but got back with the offline method:), just reloaded a save game just before i hit 20

[EhRaD]

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StakFallT wrote...

I feel your pain man; I think I'm going to do the same (Just walk away from the game), even though you can't really completely walk away from it, beings as how you, the rest of the community that are having problems, and myself are still shafted because you can't just forget about the game since it's now on your trophy list for others to see. I've thought about contacting Bioware, but then I realized, they have huge amount of "outs" given how there's so many factors they could claim that go into trophy unlocking. Trophies that are based on choosing sides in a stroy should be easy, period. For example, the Annulment Invoker. I've heard so many differening claims that "Have Morigan not in the group, or have her in it", "kill...don't kill certain npcs" "Use or don't use an item" "choose this dialogue option or not". It should simple, it should be the point, it should be obvious. period. And you know what they will say when you call them (If they even offer to help on a trophy issue)... the standard help-desk run around... "Did you try _insert_suggestion_here". Well ok that's just fantastic, that option was two hours worth of playtime back. And you know that's not going to actually work, but you appease the customer service help anyhow, just so you can honestly say you tried it, and it didn't work. So now it's rinse and repeat with the customer service for an issue that should not be an issue in the first place. And in DA:O just due to the style of play the game is, there's like a billion (Ok obviously not a billion, but ALOT) factors that they could claim come into play that really should not have anything to do with a trophy at all.

The more and more I think about it, the more and more I think this is the last BioWare game I buy. ever. It's a shame really, because I do enjoy the DnD style dice type of combat rules, as was in here as was with Baulder's (sp?) Gate 2, and NWN. Maybe I'll just stick to PC releases, where accomplishments aren't necessarily readily seeable (As one would have to goto the site and view the profile; it's not like part of the operating system). There's just simply no way to know if future console releases will be as infuriating. I simply cannot put time into a game that does not do what it's supposed to, and no recourse for the customer when said product does not perform as expected; creating hours upon hours of just trying to redo what it was that was supposed to happen only to very possibly still not have it behave. And it's not even like you can walk away from the damn thing either, that's what really kills me. It's not like we can just chalk the game up to a bad release, delete the trophies on the list, and pray the next Bioware game is better made.

100% with you my friend. In addition, they simply kill our replayable value. Like you, I played all of them, too (BG 1 and 2, NWN and many more). I think that issue concerns consumer's rights. And imagine if we start to talk about the 1,.ooo bugs of the game (we are talking about a game that takes almost 10 years in development). Two months ago, I beat Demon's Souls 4 times and I got the Platinum. A game from Korea, the best RPG I ever played, and I'm always returning to it. I can't play DAO anymore, there is nothing more in this game for me, since I finished it 1 time. The trophies issue destroyed the last. I'm very upset about that, they are simply trashing a game that "could" be a masterpiece.









 

[EhRaD]

atonyc68 wrote...

EhRaD wrote...

I lost three trophies. Already tried playing offline and nothing happens. I already finished the game once, so, I'm giving up right now. I'll cancel my Awakening pre-order, too. I tried contact sony and Bioware, but nothing positive. I think everybody should do the same, they are joking with our money.

So you were completely offline, including not being connected to the dragon age servers? I was in the same boat as you, but have got'n all my trophies back including the archmage trophy, which i was pissed to lose, but got back with the offline method:), just reloaded a save game just before i hit 20

Yes, completely offline. It doesn't work for me. Your trophies appeared at the very moment when you were offline, or you need to get online and sync again? Regards.

[atonyc68]

EhRaD wrote...

atonyc68 wrote...

EhRaD wrote...

I lost three trophies. Already tried playing offline and nothing happens. I already finished the game once, so, I'm giving up right now. I'll cancel my Awakening pre-order, too. I tried contact sony and Bioware, but nothing positive. I think everybody should do the same, they are joking with our money.

So you were completely offline, including not being connected to the dragon age servers? I was in the same boat as you, but have got'n all my trophies back including the archmage trophy, which i was pissed to lose, but got back with the offline method:), just reloaded a save game just before i hit 20

Yes, completely offline. It doesn't work for me. Your trophies appeared at the very moment when you were offline, or you need to get online and sync again? Regards.

Damn tht sux! Nope i had to earn them again, wut i lost when the PSN problem hit was gone for good cuz i didn't sync my trophies before the problem with PSN occured.  So basically i just reloaded the saves tht were close to the trophy achievement and earn the trophies again.

[jade1138]

Being totally offline (pulled PS3 off of my router) enabled me to re-earn my missing Heavy Hitter trophy...

[StakFallT]

EhRaD wrote...

100% with you my friend. In addition, they simply kill our replayable value. Like you, I played all of them, too (BG 1 and 2, NWN and many more). I think that issue concerns consumer's rights. And imagine if we start to talk about the 1,.ooo bugs of the game (we are talking about a game that takes almost 10 years in development). Two months ago, I beat Demon's Souls 4 times and I got the Platinum. A game from Korea, the best RPG I ever played, and I'm always returning to it. I can't play DAO anymore, there is nothing more in this game for me, since I finished it 1 time. The trophies issue destroyed the last. I'm very upset about that, they are simply trashing a game that "could" be a masterpiece.

Yeah the replay value for me is just absolutely abysmally trashed. Everytime I think about working my way through platinuming games, my stream of consciousness starts at this game, then I feel the burden of a storyline that makes me cry for mercy, graphics that make me want to gouge my eyes out, and the greying of my hair from knowing I've just wasted another few hours away trying to compensate for trophy bugs in vain (Since the effort was not successful); it's at that point I just can't stomach another second of the game; way too many hours; way too much "redo'ing". But I keep at it because my analness for platinum. I can think of no other option for me, but taking a break from the PS3 completely, just because I won't be able to boot the PS3 without thinking about trophies, causing me to start thinking about this flaming bag on my doorstep.

Wow! DA:O really took 10 years to develop?! Given it's glitchiness, I'd be embarassed, if I were them, to admit that. Granted ok yeah, the game is beatable, but for 10 years of work, I'd expect the bugs to be much less obvious. I mean, for example, when you can repeat the exact same dialogue because the game hasn't caught up to you and automatically started the conversation after an event just occured (Trying to avoid spoilers here), it's just a tad bit obvious that there's something askew in the making lol Normally I'd toss it up to small budget they were probably pressed for time, but 10 years... I don't understand... At what point is 10 years and a buggy game considered software-development success for a development team (Yes a full team at that lol)? Certainly can't be budgeting. 10 years, paying a team's worth of salary for those 10 years, direct/in-direct labor, manufacturing o/h, etc. Obviously their must've been way more than sufficient funds. And a full team working for 10 years each on their own small peice of code.  Maybe when integrating the peices, they didn't mesh well? Ok but 10 years couldn't figure that out? And things like IBM's Rational Rose, and other code-metrics'ing software couldn't put the code through the ringer?

OK during the writing of this reply I had to look it up just to make sure. From what I saw, it was actually 6 years roughly since it started in 2004 supposedly. I still think my point still stands though

Know what just recently has really made me want to drive a stake through the game disc and grind it into the concrete with my steel toe boot? The fact I can't find anywhere to locate my Bioware login for my game. The account I must've created for it, since it obviously kept connecting to the servers as it would occasionally mention it was doing that for profile purposes. I'd add my codes to my forum profile, but they won't apparently be on the same one as the one my game is using. Brilliant Bioware.. Absolutely brilliant! Incorporate an online profile system and not only have that but even so far as to have a Manage Account screen but NO WAY TO ACTUALLY SEE OR MANAGE YOUR LOGIN! L...O...L... Ya just can't make this stuff up.


EDIT: Meant to write "hasn't" instead of "has". Happened to reread back of what I had written and spotted it. I really need to proofread more intently.

Modifié par StakFallT, 09 mars 2010 - 12:44 .

[Creme-delacreme]

I had all earned all trophies except 2 when the event happened, but unfortunately did not realize that I needed to sync with the PS3 server, and had not done so for about a month. I just earned the last two trophies (level 20 for 2 more characters) and should now be platinum, but instead am sitting at 40% complete. I have little hope of this issue ever getting fixed, although it would be nice... especially after playing the game for 2 months to complete 100%.

[StakFallT]

Yeah I easily have 130+ hours involved in this game. Fortunately for me I was able to get the perfectionist trophy through the use of multiple save points... It's a REAL good thing too, because I've heard how that was another one of those fabulous trophies that just loved to play "marko-polo" with the player. And even with multiple save points, I still did have to do it a few times before I got the right combinations. I could only imagine going through the game that many times (that many hours too) to have the trophy not unlock. It's bad enough for this stupid 3-3 1/2 hour endeavor for the Annulment Invoker trophy not unlocking. Let's just say if I did the Perfectionist, in the purest sense, and it didn't unlock, I probably would have called the customer service line and waited several hours on hold just to tell them how lousy their customer service is.

I think the real sticking point for all of it is, Bioware has not explicitly either told the player-base (Prepending it with a warning about it being spoilers) how to unlock the trophy specifically, not ALL of the steps required to unlock a particular trophy are obvious, or they are just glitchy. If Bioware came out and explicitly said "Warning, spoilers to come. Given the community-wide problems with players being unable to unlock certain trophies we are releasing in detail how they are unlocked. ". It would go a LONG way, but given how you can even practically be wearing the wrong shoes and you won't get the trophy, the whole thing is a bit like predicting the weather with a thermometer.. Sure, if it's freezing outside, you could get in the ballpark and say snow is a possibility, but it doesn't give you even close to the full picture. Ok, I know to say yes or no to this person, but "SON OF A !@#%@ !!!! I talked to this person before I talked to that person, now I gotta do it ALL over again!". The problem is, when they made the game, they made these trophies based on some really obscure mini-requirements (The major ones are obvious, which they should be; they just should never have had mini requirements, period. end of story). And it's like you said, I doubt it'll ever be fixed. It's a shame really. I've resigned to never buying another BioWare game again, unless they do some SERIOUS damage control; imho every day that goes by is that much harder they have to work to restore my faith in them as a solid developer. Making the game is half the venture. A company has an ethical responsibility (If they want to be successful [or continue to be successful] that is) to it's patrons to treat them with good service proportional to their appreciation for a buyer's patronage. If a company treats it's patrons (That pay their salaries indirectly) poorly, it's taken as they don't appreciate the purchase or don't care. That's when the bottom line will be affected. And that's something they can take to their manager who's head is up his (or hers) ... well let's just leave it as, their head is in the clouds... I guess their approach is, they've thought of this and are going to ride it out with the capital gained from Mass Effect 2... But ya know what, how long will that money last for a company like Bioware, especially if already part of that money is being used to fund other projects. Or perhaps their expecting people to buy their games because they feel their RPG games are like drugs, people are addicted and no matter how much they foul them up, people will buy them. But that only goes so far, when you've got people as deeply _insert_explicitive_here_ as I, no game is going to overcome that. I for one think gaming magazines need to pick up on this. Because apparently Bioware still doesn't get it.

Modifié par StakFallT, 19 mars 2010 - 01:40 .

[muldoone]

I have learned two specializations but havent unlocked the ELITE trophy, am i missing something?

Modifié par muldoone, 21 septembre 2010 - 07:01 .