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[Trenrade]

NIXON

[Onyx Jaguar]

Hrm, I'm starting to wonder how this turned into an Atomic Bomb debate. I was starting to regret that I mentioned Island hopping but things turned 146 degrees very quickly.



Also his hair is indeed very similar to Kennedy

[FOSTER FREEZE1212]

EVERY MODERN POLITICIAN!!!!!!!!! They lie cheat and steal for their own gain

Modifié par FOSTER FREEZE1212, 02 mars 2010 - 03:18 .

[FOSTER FREEZE1212]

EVERY MODERN POLITICIAN!!!!!!!!! They lie cheat and steal for their own gain

[Onyx Jaguar]

wolf99000 wrote...

Gill Kaiser wrote...

Saying Japan shouldn't have been nuked is like saying Hitler should have been shot before he could come to power. You might think you're saving lives, but the repurcussions could be terrible. If Japan hadn't been bombed, WW2 might have continued and merged with the distrust that lead to the Cold War, leading to a Hot War with the USSR.

If the horrific power of the A-bomb were never demonstrated, there's a chance that the first use of nuclear weapons might have come later, when multiple countries would have had the technology and nuke stockpiles, possibly leading to global thermonuclear war and the end of civilisation.

Also, Japan might never have become the technological powerhouse that it is today. The Playstation might never have been invented. Anime might not have developed, so Cowboy Bebop wouldn't exist.

I agree with this it has been said by lots of historians that if hitler was not around and a good commander in charge Rommel or any of the others Germany could have won the war or at the least not made the mistakes that led to them being beat

as for japan saying you would rather troops die than normal people you have to remember that most if not all Japanese people of that time would have been fighting the invasion and would have killed themselves if needed like many of there army did so the casualties amongst the civilians would have been 1000s of times more than what the bombs did

Again this sounds like propaganda.  Killing everyone to save yourselves I can't really argue with.  Assuming that everyone in Japan or even many in Japan would take up arms after being sieged by the Chinese and the Allies is being presumtious.  Almost sounds like trying to justify using the Atomic Bomb when in reality we used it and thats that.

[Zyrious]

Trenrade wrote...

NIXON

Nixon was just an idiot. He didnt even ORDER the break-in at watergate. He just decided to cover it up when he found out about it because he didnt want bad press for the republican party. Oh the irony! Could have dodged the whole thing and left with the legacy of "only nixon could go to china" if he had just bit the bullet and made a press-release about the whole thing.

I dont think Truman is too much like TIM either. Truman was a "Renegade" in a way, he did whatever was NECESSARY for victory. I dont think any single president has all of the qualities of TIM.

[dipdunk]

Sheesh, too many historians and not enough Goonies fans on this thread.

[kanodin]

Zyrious wrote...

Trenrade wrote...

NIXON

Nixon was just an idiot. He didnt even ORDER the break-in at watergate. He just decided to cover it up when he found out about it because he didnt want bad press for the republican party. Oh the irony! Could have dodged the whole thing and left with the legacy of "only nixon could go to china" if he had just bit the bullet and made a press-release about the whole thing.

I dont think Truman is too much like TIM either. Truman was a "Renegade" in a way, he did whatever was NECESSARY for victory. I dont think any single president has all of the qualities of TIM.

Ah but that was hardly the only unethical thing Nixon was involved with, he had private slush funds for his personal use taken from campaign finances, he promised people peace and then turned Vietnam into a parking lot. And while he may not have implicitly ordered the break in he created the team of men who's job it was to go and do these things for him, bit like ol' Timmy and his "rogue cells".
 
More then anything else Nixon's own paranoia undid him, we shall have to wait and see if TIM ends up in a similar way (in the paragon path that is, he stands to become god-emperor of man in the renegade way).

Modifié par kanodin, 02 mars 2010 - 03:29 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

NIXON was pretty awesome except for dismantlement of Nasa, shame really.

[kanodin]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

NIXON was pretty awesome except for dismantlement of Nasa, shame really.

And the whole turning Vietnam into a parking lot while promising peace thing.

[D3thray]

Nixon...

Nixon, Nixon, Nixon

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

dipdunk wrote...

Sheesh, too many historians and not enough Goonies fans on this thread.

 

I blame my Ap gov and Us history teacher =/

[RiverRat]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

Yes killing hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians and causing a high rate of birth defects to this day was obviously the right choice to make.

Phhsaw... it's Japan. No one would notice a few extra appendages and/or tentacles.

[Onyx Jaguar]

kanodin wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

NIXON was pretty awesome except for dismantlement of Nasa, shame really.

And the whole turning Vietnam into a parking lot while promising peace thing.

Cold War brought out the stupid in the world

[Marilynn-22]

Trenrade wrote...

NIXON

This^^^^^^^

[Inquisitor Recon]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...
Cold War brought out the stupid in the world

Actually seems like we were smarter back then than today.

[Onyx Jaguar]

I'm pretty sure if this thread was happening 40 years ago some of us would still sound the same in tone

[SandTrout]

kanodin wrote...

SandTrout wrote...

More people died in the firebombings of Japan than in the nuclear blasts, and without the demonstration of such a devastating weapon, firebombings would have continued. Long-term effects of radiation and fallout were not understood at the time.

OT: I'd say Nixon, Johnson, or Jackson(alien and sedition acts, anyone?)

I think you mean Adams instead of Jackson for the alien and sedition acts.

Ack, checked it out, and you're right, that was Adams, my bad.

[SirEmilCrane]

John Henry Eden

[USMCTanker]

only on the internet can a topic about a video game character turn into an ethics in World War 2 debate... I love the internet...

[Hunter Boris.0]

Richard Nixon

[david46]

President Skroob

[Cutlass Jack]

Gill Kaiser wrote...

President Bartlet.

Damn. I got here way, way too late to make this joke.

[Pocketgb]

Gill Kaiser wrote...

President Bartlet.

Damn, first post, too!