People seem to bring up Truman, but Truman made a strategic decision after looking at all other possibilities, the right decision may be left to speculation, but he made the decision because he felt there was no alternative.
TIM would be the guy who drops the bombs without even taking anything else into consideration, everything Cerberus has done in the games and literature has been whatever they feel gives the quickest result's.
They show no value for life or safety in their experiment's, and do not even care about what would make the end result's the best and most reliable to continue use later, all that ever matter's is what could give them result's as quickly as possible.
Which president does the Illusive Man remind YOU of?
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Posté 02 mars 2010 - 07:14
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Not before we were wasting troops on random islands that served no tactical purpose. Good times. Damn some of our military leaders in WW2 were inept.
What are you talking about? Island hopping was the only reason we could get within range to drop the bombs in the first place. Besides, we didn't have the atomic bombs as an option until late in the island hopping campaign. I'm honestly confused at whether you are being sarcastic or just ignorant.
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Posté 02 mars 2010 - 07:29
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Murder of millions is fantastic when it's justified by a hypothetical doomsday situation, isn't it? I wish we could all live with such a guilt-free conscience.
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Posté 02 mars 2010 - 07:29
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I thought he was more like Arcturus Mengsk than any president.
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Posté 02 mars 2010 - 07:55
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To all the people siding with the nukes being droped on Japan to end the war and so save more lives, think about this. Would you still agree with the bombs being dropped if it was Japan who dropped them on America instead?
Also, did wats his face (don't no many american prezies) really need to drop two bombs? I would of thought that one would of been enough to end the war.
Also, did wats his face (don't no many american prezies) really need to drop two bombs? I would of thought that one would of been enough to end the war.
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Posté 02 mars 2010 - 08:02
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Yes killing hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians and causing a high rate of birth defects to this day was obviously the right choice to make.
Well, it was that or starve an entire nation to death.
Also, the 'high rate of birth defects' is bull****.
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Posté 02 mars 2010 - 08:03
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Veen is right, obviously we should have sided with the Japanese and tag teamed the Soviet Union. Yay alternate history!
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Posté 02 mars 2010 - 08:05
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Veen130 wrote...
To all the people siding with the nukes being droped on Japan to end the war and so save more lives, think about this. Would you still agree with the bombs being dropped if it was Japan who dropped them on America instead?
Also, did wats his face (don't no many american prezies) really need to drop two bombs? I would of thought that one would of been enough to end the war.
Sure except for the fact that it wasnt. They werent dropped simultaneously ya know. And if it was America... it wouldnt be because Americans have a thing called freedom and if were clearly outmatched we would just say "we'll get em next time" and surrender. If I gave you a paintball gun and I had an AK would you be challenging me to a duel? Japan hit the US first remember?
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Posté 02 mars 2010 - 08:05
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GuardianAngel470 wrote...
Onyx Jaguar wrote...
Not before we were wasting troops on random islands that served no tactical purpose. Good times. Damn some of our military leaders in WW2 were inept.
What are you talking about? Island hopping was the only reason we could get within range to drop the bombs in the first place. Besides, we didn't have the atomic bombs as an option until late in the island hopping campaign. I'm honestly confused at whether you are being sarcastic or just ignorant.
Some of it did serve a purpose. Some of it however were not worth the cost is what I was saying. Guadacanal very worth it. Wake Island, not worth it.
EDIT* Also I was talking about some of the decisions made in the European Campaign as well in the earlier posts, I wasn't saying Island Hopping itself was a bad tactical decision it was just some of the campaigns involved were unwise. Of course hindsight is 20/20
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Posté 02 mars 2010 - 08:06
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*puts on best Zoidberg voice* Horay! Im being acknowledge in this conversaton!bobobo878 wrote...
Veen is right, obviously we should have sided with the Japanese and tag teamed the Soviet Union. Yay alternate history!
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Posté 02 mars 2010 - 08:08
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There's rarely a 'first'. They initiated the first known large scale attack.
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Posté 02 mars 2010 - 08:11
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Hate to say it, but Obama (and yes, I voted for him). Does this sound familiar?
"What ever it takes, it's for the good of humanity, Cerberus (Obama) is humanity, power for Cerberus (Obama) is power for humanity".
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"Don't turn your back on me Shepard (America), I made you, I brought you back from the dead"!
And that is why I should not have voted last year.
"What ever it takes, it's for the good of humanity, Cerberus (Obama) is humanity, power for Cerberus (Obama) is power for humanity".
AND
"Don't turn your back on me Shepard (America), I made you, I brought you back from the dead"!
And that is why I should not have voted last year.
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Posté 02 mars 2010 - 08:13
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Whats with the "Freedom" thing? Americans arn't the only people in the world with "Freedom". Im pretty sure even the Japanese have "Freedom" and also whats that got to do with who drops the bombs on who?seattlehawks432 wrote...
Veen130 wrote...
To all the people siding with the nukes being droped on Japan to end the war and so save more lives, think about this. Would you still agree with the bombs being dropped if it was Japan who dropped them on America instead?
Also, did wats his face (don't no many american prezies) really need to drop two bombs? I would of thought that one would of been enough to end the war.
Sure except for the fact that it wasnt. They werent dropped simultaneously ya know. And if it was America... it wouldnt be because Americans have a thing called freedom and if were clearly outmatched we would just say "we'll get em next time" and surrender. If I gave you a paintball gun and I had an AK would you be challenging me to a duel? Japan hit the US first remember?
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Posté 02 mars 2010 - 08:16
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Millard Fillmore, that guy was so illusive I bet like 85% of Americans don't even know he was President
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Posté 02 mars 2010 - 08:17
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lawl Rob. Closer to Reagan with that kind of attitude than Obama.
Secondly, the Japanese Citizenry didn't have freedom. They lived in a condition not dissimilar to North Korea. The Emperor was god and questioning him was punishable by death. The only way to make Japan surrender was to show that America's power was greater than the Emperor's.
Secondly, the Japanese Citizenry didn't have freedom. They lived in a condition not dissimilar to North Korea. The Emperor was god and questioning him was punishable by death. The only way to make Japan surrender was to show that America's power was greater than the Emperor's.
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Posté 02 mars 2010 - 08:25
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Obama is a great president, but like every politician before him, he is making promises he can't keep.superimposed wrote...
lawl Rob. Closer to Reagan with that kind of attitude than Obama.
Secondly, the Japanese Citizenry didn't have freedom. They lived in a condition not dissimilar to North Korea. The Emperor was god and questioning him was punishable by death. The only way to make Japan surrender was to show that America's power was greater than the Emperor's.
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Posté 02 mars 2010 - 08:30
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Obama before someone else says it lol.
I wasn't aware that Obama possessed a set of balls.
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Posté 02 mars 2010 - 08:33
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Reptilian Rob wrote...
Obama is a great president, but like every politician before him, he is making promises he can't keep.superimposed wrote...
lawl Rob. Closer to Reagan with that kind of attitude than Obama.
Secondly, the Japanese Citizenry didn't have freedom. They lived in a condition not dissimilar to North Korea. The Emperor was god and questioning him was punishable by death. The only way to make Japan surrender was to show that America's power was greater than the Emperor's.
That's what happens when you have two parties who will oppose each other simply because they're different parties. Democrats and Republicans are five-year olds in the sand pit (or sand box) arguing over which of the Red Shovels is redder.
The slight difference is the Republicans shovel is actually blue and they don't want to admit, and the democrats aren't brave enough to tell them so.
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Posté 02 mars 2010 - 08:38
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This post is win. Its very similar over here in NZ as well.superimposed wrote...
That's what happens when you have two parties who will oppose each other simply because they're different parties. Democrats and Republicans are five-year olds in the sand pit (or sand box) arguing over which of the Red Shovels is redder.
The slight difference is the Republicans shovel is actually blue and they don't want to admit, and the democrats aren't brave enough to tell them so.
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Posté 02 mars 2010 - 09:02
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Well I'd rather soilders die than civilians. At least the soilders know what they're in for when they sign up. Or is an american life worth more than a Japanese one?
A glorious, yet impractical viewpoint.
MY life is worth the life of every human on this planet, to me. I would do anything to survive, and 99.9% of the population of earth would do the same, put in the position. While it's easy to say that you would lay your life down to save others, when the time comes, you wouldn't. You'd fight tooth and claw to avoid dying.
If the choice was mine, I would have done the same. It is tragic what happened to the civilians, but better them than us. That's a simple fact of survival. War is akin to nature, in that sense. Kill or be killed. Yes, they were innocent, but they were still the enemy. That event was enough to stop a war dead in its tracks. Many more lives from many other countries would have been lost.
About the OP. TIM reminds me of Bush Senior, one of the few republicans who deserved my respect (Lincoln is at the top of that list, though). He's not afraid to make the hard choice for what he believes in. No second guessing. The results are all that matter.
-Godeshus
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Posté 02 mars 2010 - 09:39
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Exactly.superimposed wrote...
Reptilian Rob wrote...
Obama is a great president, but like every politician before him, he is making promises he can't keep.superimposed wrote...
lawl Rob. Closer to Reagan with that kind of attitude than Obama.
Secondly, the Japanese Citizenry didn't have freedom. They lived in a condition not dissimilar to North Korea. The Emperor was god and questioning him was punishable by death. The only way to make Japan surrender was to show that America's power was greater than the Emperor's.
That's what happens when you have two parties who will oppose each other simply because they're different parties. Democrats and Republicans are five-year olds in the sand pit (or sand box) arguing over which of the Red Shovels is redder.
The slight difference is the Republicans shovel is actually blue and they don't want to admit, and the democrats aren't brave enough to tell them so.
