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[Lukertin]

seattlehawks432 wrote...
And if it was America... it wouldnt be because Americans have a thing called freedom and if were clearly outmatched we would just say "we'll get em next time" and surrender. If I gave you a paintball gun and I had an AK would you be challenging me to a duel? Japan hit the US first remember?

America has never surrendered in any war, and only twice has US soil been invaded by a foreign army (in the War of 1812 British Troops razed Washington, D.C.; and in World War 2 the Japanese unsuccessfully tried to invade Alaska).  America has never surrendered and never would surrender in any war, and furthermore if the mainland was ever opposed entire regions of the USA would form civilian militias overnight and resist foreign occupation.

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America Surrendered in Vietnam, though they didn't record it as such.

But when you're an invading force and you suddenly 'up and leave', well...

[seattlehawks432]

Lukertin wrote...

seattlehawks432 wrote...
And if it was America... it wouldnt be because Americans have a thing called freedom and if were clearly outmatched we would just say "we'll get em next time" and surrender. If I gave you a paintball gun and I had an AK would you be challenging me to a duel? Japan hit the US first remember?

America has never surrendered in any war, and only twice has US soil been invaded by a foreign army (in the War of 1812 British Troops razed Washington, D.C.; and in World War 2 the Japanese unsuccessfully tried to invade Alaska).  America has never surrendered and never would surrender in any war, and furthermore if the mainland was ever opposed entire regions of the USA would form civilian militias overnight and resist foreign occupation.

Did we take over Japan after we won? So if situations were reversed Japan wouldnt be taking us over. All it was was an unconditional surrender. If we were fighting for our freedom sure we would fight to the death. If we just had to stop fighting Im sure the majority would support that over getting blown the F up

[Gravbh]

Nyaore wrote...

Skilled Seeker wrote...

Well I'd rather soilders die than civilians. At least the soilders know what they're in for when they sign up. Or is an american life worth more than a Japanese one?

You're forgetting that Japanese culture at the time would have made it so that it wouldn't just be soldiers that would have died if an invasion was staged. US forces would have had to fight both soldiers AND civillians if they fought their way inland as both tried to defend their country. Heck, I don't think it's all that hard to imagine that more civilians would have died if the invasion happened than were killed by the bombs. That's just how their culture was at the time.
Dropping the bomb lead to least amount of deaths on BOTH sides, civillians included. Does that make it the right choice? No. But that's moral ambiguity for you.

Anyways I agree that TIM reminds me a lot of Truman in some ways, though in all honesty he really doesn't perfectly resemble any of them.

Yep, there were actually accounts of Japanese mothers jumping off bridges with their babies in their arms when American soldiers approached because they believed the propaganda about how Americans would literally eat their babies. If you think only soldiers would have died in large numbers during a Japanese invasion, you're naive.

[InvaderErl]

Gravbh wrote...

Yep, there were actually accounts of Japanese mothers jumping off bridges with their babies in their arms when American soldiers approached because they believed the propaganda about how Americans would literally eat their babies. If you think only soldiers would have died in large numbers during a Japanese invasion, you're naive.

Exactly. The culture at the time was supernationalist. The damn military tried to stage a last minute coup when it was decided that they would surrender. A mainland invasion would have been a nightmarish bloodbath. Even after the first bomb they had to drop a second to make the Japanese military get the point.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 03 mars 2010 - 12:07 .

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TheBestclass wrote...

John Henry Eden.

I think I killed him back on Earth, in like one, two, three,.....   2277 or something....

Hmmmm, oh well, that was before thermal clips.....

[Sphynx118]

Any americuuuuuh president. /thread

[Gill Kaiser]

Veen130 wrote...

To all the people siding with the nukes being droped on Japan to end the war and so save more lives, think about this. Would you still agree with the bombs being dropped if it was Japan who dropped them on America instead.

...I'm not even American :/

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Veen130 wrote...

To all the people siding with the nukes being droped on Japan to end the war and so save more lives, think about this. Would you still agree with the bombs being dropped if it was Japan who dropped them on America instead.

The bombs were not the point, its why they were dropped. Japan sided with Germany, and the ****, they then bombed Pearl Harrbor (Which my grandpa was in) so I feel no remorse for what happened. The incendiary bombs were worse anyways. If America had done the same thing, I say, Cain 'em.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

dipdunk wrote...

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

John F. Kennedy...

Well... he did play him once

The first thing that popped into my head when I read the topic:  "Martin Sheen?  That's president Kennedy, you idiot!!!"

Goonies FTW