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I tried to resist saying this, tried and failed.



Because he's an evil ******.

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TheLostGenius wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

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Could Martin Sheen have done a VO for an old African American lady? Also if you want to be racial about it, many companies are led by people of different ethnicities, but corporate is still usually male/white dominated. It has nothing to do with race, its just coincidence.


Actually, it's more due to economic segregation.  Black people usually don't have the privlidge of growing up in affluent neighborhoods.
Poorer neighborhoods mean the people pay less in taxes which means fewer resources for local governments to spend on education and crime prevention.

Black people usually have more obstacles to overcome when it comes to succeeding in today's economy due to a lack of opportunity compared to say white children born in gated communities.


I've met quite a few over-privileged african american, asian and indian people before. Race has nothing to do with it. THere is a pretty bad white under-class in the USA.


There are rich and poor people from all demographics but poverty is much more prevalent in black communities.
Legally, segregation in the USA no longer exists but de-facto it still does because many black communities to not have equal access to education and therefore less opportunity than white people.

When people like the congressional black caucus campaign for "racial reperations" a lot of white people misinterpret that as thinking they just want a hand out.  What they really want is federal assistance for local governments in predominantly poor black communities to help fund social programs like education, roads, and first responders since poor communities lack the resources to finance them themselves since poor people do not pay much in taxes.

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Gemini1179 wrote...

Evil white guys are easy villains- a lot less people complain. Plain and simple. Like the good 'ole N-a-z-is. It was the safe play. Look at the new James Bond movies- evil rich White Guys.

...huh, they censor ****... weird. What about Hitler?


So, censor ****, but Hitler is ok... this forum makes no sense...

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Gemini1179 wrote...

Gemini1179 wrote...

Evil white guys are easy villains- a lot less people complain. Plain and simple. Like the good 'ole N-a-z-is. It was the safe play. Look at the new James Bond movies- evil rich White Guys.

...huh, they censor ****... weird. What about Hitler?


So, censor ****, but Hitler is ok... this forum makes no sense...


There are people out there who have that last name and are not evil. On the other hand, N.azis are evil by default.

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TheLostGenius wrote...

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TIM is white because white guys are better at running things. Especially sneaky underhanded things like Cerberus.


The Salarians are like Asians, and they invented the Genophage, what does that tell you? JK. Oh and being Jewish their is a pretty huge similarity between the Volus and Jews. Joking. Seriously, where do people come up with this? Thank you apartheid for making issues out of non-issues.


There is nothing "asian" about salarians. They are the smart dorky middle school kids of all races in the advanced classes and who play WoW incessantly.

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Busomjack wrote...

There are rich and poor people from all demographics but poverty is much more prevalent in black communities.
Legally, segregation in the USA no longer exists but de-facto it still does because many black communities to not have equal access to education and therefore less opportunity than white people.


I have one question: why is there a black communities? I'm canadian and where I live there's no such thing. Actually one of my best friend is Haitian. I got a Cambodian friend, a Laosian friend, a russian and an Arabic friend. Seriously who cares about what colour do you have? Colour doesn't make you a good person. If you're an assh0le i'll tell you you're an assh0le whatever colour you are.

Modifié par MajorStranger, 02 mars 2010 - 06:46 .


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I do want a badass Asian character in ME3, instead of just some reporters who happen to share my last nameImage IPB

Modifié par Kerilus, 02 mars 2010 - 06:51 .


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MajorStranger wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

There are rich and poor people from all demographics but poverty is much more prevalent in black communities.
Legally, segregation in the USA no longer exists but de-facto it still does because many black communities to not have equal access to education and therefore less opportunity than white people.


I have one question: why is there a black communities? I'm canadian and where I live there's no such thing. Actually one of my best friend is Haitian. I got a Cambodian friend, a Laosian friend, a russian and an Arabic friend. Seriously who cares about what colour do you have? Colour doesn't make you a good person. If you're an assh0le i'll tell you you're an assh0le whatever colour you are.


Holdover from racial segregation.  Lack of migration of people = communities that are largely one race.  In fact the state I live in is over 90% White.

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MajorStranger wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

There are rich and poor people from all demographics but poverty is much more prevalent in black communities.
Legally, segregation in the USA no longer exists but de-facto it still does because many black communities to not have equal access to education and therefore less opportunity than white people.


I have one question: why is there a black communities? I'm canadian and where I live there's no such thing. Actually one of my best friend is Haitian. I got a Cambodian friend, a Laosian friend, a russian and an Arabic friend. Seriously who cares about what colour do you have? Colour doesn't make you a good person. If you're an assh0le i'll tell you you're an assh0le whatever colour you are.


It's because poor people and rich people do not live together in the USA.  If rich people lived in the same communities as black people then this wouldn't be an issue since the local governments would have plenty of funding for education and other social programs since rich people pay more in taxes.

Why are many poor communities black?  It was less than 50 years ago when many black people were not even allowed to attend college or hold certain jobs in this country.  Even though discrimination is illegal now, lack of opportunity due to economic segregation has prevented many black people from uplifting themselves out of poverty.

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Busomjack said the rest of what I should have said.

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I wonder why all these topics have to become racist. To me TIM is perfect how he is. His voice fits his character style. If you look at each character of the game and the people who play there voices you will see that each person matches up. Except for like the aliens and maybe Jack. Other than that every character seems to fit the voice that plays them.

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Neria Rose wrote...

Gemini1179 wrote...

Gemini1179 wrote...

Evil white guys are easy villains- a lot less people complain. Plain and simple. Like the good 'ole N-a-z-is. It was the safe play. Look at the new James Bond movies- evil rich White Guys.

...huh, they censor ****... weird. What about Hitler?


So, censor ****, but Hitler is ok... this forum makes no sense...


There are people out there who have that last name and are not evil. On the other hand, N.azis are evil by default.


Yeah but still... I simply found it odd. Way off topic.

On topic: I'd bet dollars to pesos that it was pure and simple a combination of wanting to work with Martin Sheen, and not being innondated with letters (people really do still write letters I hear), emails, and phone calls from whatever demographic TIM represented that wasn't white. Oh, and FOX- you can bet they'd be all over it.

Besides, I think BW was probably shaky on the reception that Jacob's dad would get, but was able to work it because of Jacob's obvious display of disgust- which I fully supported. Too bad it is the only mission I ever take Jacob on in the game... Miranda + about anyone else makes for a more effective squad...

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Ajara123 wrote...

I wonder why all these topics have to become racist. To me TIM is perfect how he is. His voice fits his character style. If you look at each character of the game and the people who play there voices you will see that each person matches up. Except for like the aliens and maybe Jack. Other than that every character seems to fit the voice that plays them.


Jack is perfect as is.

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Yea gemini your right. Im talking about how the characters from the games seem to look like the people that play there voices in real life. I never seent he person who plays Jake's voice so i don't know how she looks.

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Kerilus wrote...
I do want a badass Asian character in ME3, instead of just some reporters who happen to share my last nameImage IPB


He must look like this:

Image IPB

I know he's only half, but that man is sooooo incredibly gorgeous.

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Gemini1179 wrote...
Too bad it is the only mission I ever take Jacob on in the game... Miranda + about anyone else makes for a more effective squad...

Jack is perfect as is.


Do you take Jack with you?  I love Jack and Jacob.  Shockwave and Squad Warp Ammo is awesome.  So is Pull Field and Squad Incendiary.

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Ajara123 wrote...

Yea gemini your right. Im talking about how the characters from the games seem to look like the people that play there voices in real life. I never seent he person who plays Jake's voice so i don't know how she looks.


Ah, sorry, I misunderstood.

Topics like these make me shake my head, but they ALWAYS get started. I started a joke thread a couple weeks ago about BW being fat-ist in only having skinny people in the game. Lo and behold, today there is a serious thread about it... or maybe not, I haven't read it, mostly just shook my head and rolled my eyes at it. Take that, thread.

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Busomjack wrote...
It's because poor people and rich people do not live together in the USA.  If rich people lived in the same communities as black people then this wouldn't be an issue since the local governments would have plenty of funding for education and other social programs since rich people pay more in taxes.

Why are many poor communities black?  It was less than 50 years ago when many black people were not even allowed to attend college or hold certain jobs in this country.  Even though discrimination is illegal now, lack of opportunity due to economic segregation has prevented many black people from uplifting themselves out of poverty.


I don't know if you live in the United States like myself, but it just sounds like you are just trying to make the case for affirmative action/race based programs. I know plenty lower-middle class white invidivuals who get passed over for the sake of a college or company wanting to meet a quota and thus look good in the government's eyes.

And $5 says somebody will now accuze me of being a racist for opposing the way government aid works these days.

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thisisme8 wrote...

Gemini1179 wrote...
Too bad it is the only mission I ever take Jacob on in the game... Miranda + about anyone else makes for a more effective squad...

Jack is perfect as is.


Do you take Jack with you?  I love Jack and Jacob.  Shockwave and Squad Warp Ammo is awesome.  So is Pull Field and Squad Incendiary.


Jack and Miranda mostly. A lot of people misunderstand the usefullness of Shockwave. On Hardcore/Insanity, all you have to do is bring down the Armor of the lead enemy and fire Shockwave, one goes flying and the others (in the path) are momentarily stunned.

Usually if I want Incendiary I use Grunt. Jacob can be used, I just prefer to surround myself with ladies. I am a simple man with simple needs and very little shame. :P

My current playthrough is Infultrator with Armor Piercing as by bonus talent, I have Squad Disruptor Ammo, Squad Cryo and Tungsten Ammo. Use Heavy Warp Ammo for Jack, Squad Disruptor for Miranda and usually Armor Piercing on my weapons. Makes for a nice combo.

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badjezus007 wrote...

they should of had Samuel L Jackson be the illusive man. That would have been so much better then this martin sheen dude.


Are You Black?...

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ReconTeam wrote...

Busomjack wrote...
It's because poor people and rich people do not live together in the USA.  If rich people lived in the same communities as black people then this wouldn't be an issue since the local governments would have plenty of funding for education and other social programs since rich people pay more in taxes.

Why are many poor communities black?  It was less than 50 years ago when many black people were not even allowed to attend college or hold certain jobs in this country.  Even though discrimination is illegal now, lack of opportunity due to economic segregation has prevented many black people from uplifting themselves out of poverty.


I don't know if you live in the United States like myself, but it just sounds like you are just trying to make the case for affirmative action/race based programs. I know plenty lower-middle class white invidivuals who get passed over for the sake of a college or company wanting to meet a quota and thus look good in the government's eyes.

And $5 says somebody will now accuze me of being a racist for opposing the way government aid works these days.


Poverty affects many races.  But excuse me if I feel no sympathy for the White impovershed as they are still linked to the segment that controls this country.  

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WoodWizzard87 wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Can't trust White people thats why. Especially well dressed one

*EDIT, trying to tone down extreme racism :X


You also cant trust a black guy wearing a black hoodie and baggy pants around his ass.  BAZING


Lols Big bang.

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Neria Rose wrote...

Kerilus wrote...
I do want a badass Asian character in ME3, instead of just some reporters who happen to share my last nameImage IPB


He must look like this:

Image IPB

I know he's only half, but that man is sooooo incredibly gorgeous.

Well he's quite decent, but I had some Hong Kong great actors in mind.

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i really don't care for threads like this because its not really important in the first place. Its a game people to me it doesn't matter how the people look. You make the main character how you want be happy they gave us that choice. I don't have a problem with anything they did with the game as far as i can see for the characters.

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Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Poverty affects many races.  But excuse me if I feel no sympathy for the White impovershed as they are still linked to the segment that controls this country.  


So you only care about the poor based on their race? That attitude really helps "race relations" or whatever you wish to call them.

And there are always some poor, regardless of race, who have found means of living off the welfare system.