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[Gemini1179]

Busomjack wrote...

I agree with this post somewhat.  Affirmative Action should be modified so that it applies to income rather than race.  Therefore, poor people can benefit and nobody is negatively affected based on skin color.  Everybody wins.
Now as for compensating for historical wrongs not being the answer, I dissagree.  During segregation, blacks could not hold many jobs, and very few could attend college.  As a result, blacks basically had no choice but to live in poverty.
Now there are laws which prohibit discrimination but that doesn't magically uplift blacks out of their socio-economic status.  They're still poor, live in economically segregated communities, have crappy overcrowded underfunded schools and live in neighborhoods where crime, drugs and gangs are prevalent.
This all translates into less opportunity and therefore keeps black communities stuck in poverty.

I think the federal government should stop basing education funding on real-estate taxes.  Poor blacks can't afford much property so obviously local governments there aren't going to be able to afford good schools.

We really need intervention to correct past wrongs.  Much progress has been made, but there is still work to be done.

I think I simply didn't express my point very well. I agree with you, but I think that unthinking "throw money at it and it will go away" solutions are not the answer and too often governments believe they are. Intelligent use of money and resources to produce long term payoffs is what I support. This ideal, however, usually means that you have to go through a period of time where there is little perceived change or progress. Try selling that idea to a public if you're a polititian...

[Onyx Jaguar]

Much of this really has been created with Segregation racially and sexually, combined with Capitalism. Capitalism is the best form of economics as it promotes freedom. However because the culture was not free one side developed into something powerful that in order to balance out some sacrifices would have to be made. Combined with that and overall poverty that affects all races the rich would get richer exert more control to stay rich and the poor would get poorer and would not have a say because money is how you get a say unless you can rally the troops so to speak. This is why we have a modified economic system. AA is a biproduct of policies looking to correct past mistakes.

[Massadonious1]

The Illusive Man dissaproves of this thread derailment.

[Busomjack]

Throwing more money at something isn't always the solution but in the case of education, many schools in black communities desperately need more funding.



When you have classrooms where you have 30-40 students per teacher then you obviously don't have enough teachers and when you have maps that still have the Soviet Union on them and Apple III computers then the school obviously needs better equipment.

[Terraneaux]

The answer is because they got Martin Sheen to voice him, and Martin Sheen doesn't really sound anything but white.

[commandoclone87]

Anyone actually read some of the Mass Effect Lore? As the centuries passed, interbreeding between the races has created mixed lineages (i.e. Anderson has traces of Native American, African American and Asian lineages in the least) Within a millennia, most humans would look similar to each other just as Asari and Salarians look similar to one another.

[GodWood]

He was white in the book.



And the OP is obviously a troll.

[Onyx Jaguar]

ReconTeam wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...
No, I do not care about White Men because they are apart of the system that controls this country.  I am not going to discriminate my opinions based on economic level.  Because they have flexed their muscle in the past I do not feel any sympathy for any program that would exclude them.

So because Bill Gates is white and is filthy rich, only minorities should recieve government aid? And to say other races aren't a part of the government these days simply isn't true.

I don't know what race you are, but there isn't some "white people club" where we all share money and remember the good old days where we had colonies everywhere.

I missed this post.  No I never said that, I was arguing against your bringing up of AA.  If the government wants to throw government aid there way they should, they are part of the economic class that deserves aid as the rich put them there.

[Gemini1179]

Busomjack wrote...

Throwing more money at something isn't always the solution but in the case of education, many schools in black communities desperately need more funding.

When you have classrooms where you have 30-40 students per teacher then you obviously don't have enough teachers and when you have maps that still have the Soviet Union on them and Apple III computers then the school obviously needs better equipment.

I was trying not to be so specific, but I agree about education. Anyway, this thread has gotten way off topic. Although, in truth, it really shouldn't have been started.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Also if there is any doubt I am caucasian, if I am called racist because of what I have said about white guys in my point about AA... so? Instead of window dressing the negative impact of AA I just said it was there and I don't feel sorry for it, the positives outweigh the negatives in my book. So be it, I am extremely racist against my own race.



Besides Busomjack has brought up very good points regarding this derailed topic just read his posts not mine.

[Crowwalker100]

Ah, I see the Troll feeding is going well..

[Onyx Jaguar]

Crowwalker100 wrote...

Ah, I see the Troll feeding is going well..

Yeah I should stop, but I'm just stoked that I have been keeping racism alive since about an hour ago

[Lucazius]

YOU HUMANS ARE ALL RACIST!!!

[thisisme8]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Crowwalker100 wrote...

Ah, I see the Troll feeding is going well..

Yeah I should stop, but I'm just stoked that I have been keeping racism alive since about an hour ago

Gotta have goals in life...

[Nibroc17]

Busomjack wrote...

Jalem001 wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Poverty affects many races.  But excuse me if I feel no sympathy for the White impovershed as they are still linked to the segment that controls this country.  

So you only care about the poor based on their race? That attitude really helps "race relations" or whatever you wish to call them.

And there are always some poor, regardless of race, who have found means of living off the welfare system.

No, I do not care about White Men because they are apart of the system that controls this country.  I am not going to discriminate my opinions based on economic level.  Because they have flexed their muscle in the past I do not feel any sympathy for any program that would exclude them.

As a black man  I enjoy saying this everytime I can:

People like you hold all minorities down and keep racism alive.  You're just as bad as any white supremacist.  Everywhere you look you see race and racism, and ultimately you are completely unable to adapt to a society which has stopped looking at everything as a matter of race.

White people go out of their way to not give a damn about race.  You should too. 

White people go out of their way to avoid racism?  If I want to hear racism from whites all I have to do is turn on Fox News.

Lols nice... or go to the south.

[Big Yam]

Redistributing money and resources to the poor is stupid.  They'll just ****** it away on nonsense, which is why they are poor to start with. 

Money should be kept with those who know how to make it grow.

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

If the Illusive Man was black, people would call that racist since he isn't a "good" guy in the classical sense. Political correctness is dumb. They made the character caucasian, so what?



Besides, none of this has anything to do with "racism." It's hilarious how many people throw around that term either jokingly or seriously and use it incorrectly when they really mean "prejudice" instead. Blah, this is all rediculous.

[Massadonious1]

Big Yam wrote...



Redistributing money and resources to the poor is stupid. They'll just ****** it away on nonsense, which is why they are poor to start with.



Money should be kept with those who know how to make it grow.

[Kerilus]

Hey! Everyone! This thread discriminates against the poor!

[sedrikhcain]

MajorStranger wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

There are rich and poor people from all demographics but poverty is much more prevalent in black communities.
Legally, segregation in the USA no longer exists but de-facto it still does because many black communities to not have equal access to education and therefore less opportunity than white people.

I have one question: why is there a black communities? I'm canadian and where I live there's no such thing. Actually one of my best friend is Haitian. I got a Cambodian friend, a Laosian friend, a russian and an Arabic friend. Seriously who cares about what colour do you have? Colour doesn't make you a good person. If you're an assh0le i'll tell you you're an assh0le whatever colour you are.

There are  no communities based on race in Canada? Tell that to someone to Toronto, where there is Greektown, the Portuguese Village, Chinatown and a Jamaican neighborhood -- just to name a few. What world do you live in?

I would love it if race were a nonfactor but, sadly, that's not the case. Closing your eyes and pretending that's not the case doesn't help.

Modifié par sedrikhcain, 02 mars 2010 - 09:23 .

[sedrikhcain]

Gemini1179 wrote...

On topic: I'd bet dollars to pesos that it was pure and simple a combination of wanting to work with Martin Sheen, and not being innondated with letters (people really do still write letters I hear), emails, and phone calls from whatever demographic TIM represented that wasn't white. Oh, and FOX- you can bet they'd be all over it.

Besides, I think BW was probably shaky on the reception that Jacob's dad would get, but was able to work it because of Jacob's obvious display of disgust- which I fully supported. Too bad it is the only mission I ever take Jacob on in the game... Miranda + about anyone else makes for a more effective squad...

Actually, the Fox news take on this would be to slam BioWare because they DID make TIM white, thus adding to the incredible vilification of white people in today's society, which is precisely what's ruining America.

That's what Fox News would say. Really.

[Peranor]

Why isn't the Illusive man a black guy?? Why does Bioware hate black people??

Why isn't the Illusive man a asian guy?? Why does Bioware hate asian people??

Why isn't the Illusive man a white guy?? Why does Bioware hate white people??

Why isn't the Illusive man a Hanar?? Why does Bioware hate Hanar??



You see, whatever race/gender/skincolor or whatever Bioware would give him. There will always be posts like this asking why he don't look like this and act like that instead.

[Kalfear]

Funkcase wrote...

Aint Anderson and Udina black.

shhhhh that ruins his claim!

Dont you know its always about race?

[Mossa_missa]

badjezus007 wrote...

Well most of the humans in the game are white. Why not make him black to even the scale here? I'm serious. obama is black, TIM should be black.

0.o? Woot? Obama is black there fore TIM shuld be black? That makes no sence.

[asaiasai]

Because sophisticated upper class rich white guys own everything and this is not likely to change in 200 years. Has not changed in the previous thousand so the odds are in my favor this will play out exactly as i have said and Bioware has written.



Asai