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[Proellx]

Not sure if this has been mentioned before but here goes;

 

 

 

When visiting the council 
and talking with Anderson regarding the re-building effort and
collection of Sovereign’s wreckage, Anderson mentions how between them and the
keepers they only recovered less then half of Sovereign. Also how the keepers
have repaired the citadel without a clue of where they got the resources form.

 

 I’m speculating that
they used the wreckage to make repairs. Assuming that the keepers have some
sort of directive in regards to citadel operation priorities they would start
with the presidium. If they integrated Sovereign into the citadel then based on
the effects of the reaper husk from the IFF mission, council’s minds could be manipulated.
Though the effects could be less noticeable, the reaper husk was whole and corrupted
the minds of small team of Cerberus operatives within somewhat lengthy period
while on the citadel there is a large population over a larger area and less of
reaper remains. The keepers could have attempted to revive the fragments of Sovereign
or integrated them into the citadel systems for repairs or for keeping their
creator “alive”, which could dampen the effects of the “mind control”
properties of a reaper.

 

This would explain the change of mind of the council for the
ending of ME1 to ME2.

I’ve just recently finished another play through of ME1
where I saved the council and they seemed like they believed the whole reaper
thing and vowed to help fight them.

 

 

So the theory is the council is under the reaper influence,
would explain why they are such d***s to Sheppard when they see him.

Modifié par Proellx, 02 mars 2010 - 04:04 .

[Collider]

It's a plot device.

[Wild Still]

It's a plot device, an easily explained one.



The concept of a galaxy slaying specie is straight out of a person's nightmares, easier to disbelieve, rationalize, anything is better than the truth.

[GnusmasTHX]

Wild Still wrote...

It's a plot device, an easily explained one.

The concept of a galaxy slaying specie is straight out of a person's nightmares, easier to disbelieve, rationalize, anything is better than the truth.

Easier to dismiss, but not better.

Giant robots are awesome.

[The Angry One]

GnusmasTHX wrote...

Wild Still wrote...

It's a plot device, an easily explained one.

The concept of a galaxy slaying specie is straight out of a person's nightmares, easier to disbelieve, rationalize, anything is better than the truth.

Easier to dismiss, but not better.

Giant robots are awesome.

Giant robots that want to eat you however are not.

[Nightwriter]

The idea that there is an explanation for their blind stupidity is simply too wonderful a thought for me to trust.

[Proellx]

The council has been treated with complete destruction before, the rachini, and the Korgan rebellions. They whole stance on the reaper threat changed completely.

the Asari Councilor goes on to say; " You saved not just our lives, but the lives of billions from Soveregin and the Reapers"

Source:www.youtube.com/watch   @ 11:22

Also Anderson speech at the end about driving the Reapers back into space.  I can't see that a galatic goverment could been so dense as to not see a threat or so two faced as to forget all the events that transipred. I would like to think there is more to uncover behind their change.

[cronshaw8]

Yeah i generally don't get pissed or bent out of shape about stuff like this. I had been defending the council's actions as sandbagging ect. But i just went back and did a ME1 play-through and their comments at the end of ME1 seem to suggest they finally believed Shepard about the reapers. That being said i think there are plenty of satisfactory explanations as to why the council acts the way they do in ME2. Foremost being 2 years have passed and nothing bad has happened since the attack on the citadel, and Shepard hasn't been around pulling his chicken little routine. Plus Shepard is now working for an organization that has been violently anti-council.

Modifié par cronshaw8, 02 mars 2010 - 04:30 .

[Theoristitis]

Proellx wrote...

The council has been treated with complete destruction before, the rachini, and the Korgan rebellions. They whole stance on the reaper threat changed completely.

the Asari Councilor goes on to say; " You saved not just our lives, but the lives of billions from Soveregin and the Reapers"

Source:www.youtube.com/watch   @ 11:22

Also Anderson speech at the end about driving the Reapers back into space.  I can't see that a galatic goverment could been so dense as to not see a threat or so two faced as to forget all the events that transipred. I would like to think there is more to uncover behind their change.

Good find. I do see them being that dense, though...they've always dismissed Shepard's claims as ridiculous, particularly his visions (that only he sees, with only a no-longer-functioning VI to back him up). Also, the threat doesn't materialize in two years. With the geth "cleanup" actions, the threat actually appears to be receding, as they see it.
And it's so much more comforting to believe they're winning than to be ever-alert and ever-fearful of the unstoppable, incomprehensible enemy that may or may not be about to strike.

That said, I love the OP's theory. "Even a dead god still dreams"...

[GnusmasTHX]

They're all on red sand.

[The Angry One]

The real explanation is simple. BioWare wanted to force Shep into working for Cerberus because they thought it would be cool... why they thought that is anyone's guess.
So to do that, they force the Council and the Alliance to hold the idiot ball so that suddenly the only people who want to fight the Reapers are the jackass terrorists from ME1, and Shep happily goes along with them.

I can only hope in ME3 we're allowed to choose our sides, so the Council will stop beating themselves over the head with the stupid bat and I can shove TIM's crackpipe up his rear end.

[-D7-]

I think they may be just dealing with to many immediate problems. Sovereign's attack wiped out the Citadel fleet, which is supposed to be one of the largest, in one sweep. That huge loss of naval power could be devastating not to mention that the Citadel races lose their 'aura of invincibility '.



So if am criminal/terror/merc/independence group I am thinking now is the time for me to do x, y and z since the Citadel peeps probably do not have enough ships to cover everyone's bad deeds any more and even if they could I now know they are beatable. Not to mention the cost of repairing the Citadel and rebuilding their fleets (could one reason why the Alliance is strained since they are the only 'major' power left with enough forces).



So if I am the council I would rather deal with problems I can solve a dismiss those that (in their view) have no proof. This could be one reason they send you to hunt geth. To get the hero of the hour as far away from us so he can't push his reaper thing, Similar to when Stalin sent his best/popular general to 'command' forces in Siberia.

[SandTrout]

The entire Citadel is Reaper-tech, and in Revelation, it was noted that the other council species seemed overly passive to the human ambassador prior to Udina. It is possible that the Citadel performs a very low-level indoctrination of those on-board to disbelieve the Reaper threat and become more passive and easier to conquer.

It was the aggressiveness of the humans, who have only been a part of galactic society for some 30 years, that helped defeat Sovereign and the Heretics. Without it, the galaxy would all be reaper-paste.

[Proellx]

Theoristitis wrote...

Proellx wrote...

The council has been treated with complete destruction before, the rachini, and the Korgan rebellions. They whole stance on the reaper threat changed completely.

the Asari Councilor goes on to say; " You saved not just our lives, but the lives of billions from Soveregin and the Reapers"

Source:www.youtube.com/watch   @ 11:22

Also Anderson speech at the end about driving the Reapers back into space.  I can't see that a galatic goverment could been so dense as to not see a threat or so two faced as to forget all the events that transipred. I would like to think there is more to uncover behind their change.

Good find. I do see them being that dense, though...they've always dismissed Shepard's claims as ridiculous, particularly his visions (that only he sees, with only a no-longer-functioning VI to back him up). Also, the threat doesn't materialize in two years. With the geth "cleanup" actions, the threat actually appears to be receding, as they see it.
And it's so much more comforting to believe they're winning than to be ever-alert and ever-fearful of the unstoppable, incomprehensible enemy that may or may not be about to strike.

That said, I love the OP's theory. "Even a dead god still dreams"...

Thanks Theoristitis,

It just seemed that they understood that drak space is really far away, and it would take time for the reapers to reach them. They seemed united to fight the reapers.

Also depending on the choices in ME1. News reports stated that fleets are being rebuilt and attempts to increase forces in under away, but not going to well.

it just seems that the people further away for the citedal believe you more then those there or who have spent time there. Yes Cerburs was played as the villians in ME1. But they or the horrible acts the STG perfrom and the Specters for galatic security. What horrible actions they have committed. In the ME universe there are only shades of grey. Expect for Shepard who is either Paragon or Reneagde becuase he's too badass to confrom to galatic standards.

[Acero Azul]

Proellx wrote...

Not sure if this has been mentioned before but here goes;

 

 

 

When visiting the council 
and talking with Anderson regarding the re-building effort and
collection of Sovereign’s wreckage, Anderson mentions how between them and the
keepers they only recovered less then half of Sovereign. Also how the keepers
have repaired the citadel without a clue of where they got the resources form.

 

 I’m speculating that
they used the wreckage to make repairs. Assuming that the keepers have some
sort of directive in regards to citadel operation priorities they would start
with the presidium. If they integrated Sovereign into the citadel then based on
the effects of the reaper husk from the IFF mission, council’s minds could be manipulated.
Though the effects could be less noticeable, the reaper husk was whole and corrupted
the minds of small team of Cerberus operatives within somewhat lengthy period
while on the citadel there is a large population over a larger area and less of
reaper remains. The keepers could have attempted to revive the fragments of Sovereign
or integrated them into the citadel systems for repairs or for keeping their
creator “alive”, which could dampen the effects of the “mind control”
properties of a reaper.

 

This would explain the change of mind of the council for the
ending of ME1 to ME2.

I’ve just recently finished another play through of ME1
where I saved the council and they seemed like they believed the whole reaper
thing and vowed to help fight them.

 

 

So the theory is the council is under the reaper influence,
would explain why they are such d***s to Sheppard when they see him.

They created the reapers!

[Collider]

Council must be stubborn and ineffective so Shepard actually has something to do. Where's the game if the Council said "Alright Shepard, we'll take it from here, we're sending the fleet to apprehend the Reaper threat."



Also, consider it from the Council's perspective.

a) Shepard is telling the council that an ancient race of organic-synthetic hybrids has been enslaving or destroying civilization for hundreds of thousands of years and is now going to do the same again. Sounds like those wacky "theories" that people cook up about the U.S. government being made up of reptilians.

Acknowledging or humoring the reaper threat is asking to send the galaxy into a panic, causing disorder, civil unrest, civil disobedience, and the council not being very popular.

[Proellx]

SandTrout wrote...

The entire Citadel is Reaper-tech, and in Revelation, it was noted that the other council species seemed overly passive to the human ambassador prior to Udina. It is possible that the Citadel performs a very low-level indoctrination of those on-board to disbelieve the Reaper threat and become more passive and easier to conquer.
It was the aggressiveness of the humans, who have only been a part of galactic society for some 30 years, that helped defeat Sovereign and the Heretics. Without it, the galaxy would all be reaper-paste.

That's also a good point. It would make perfect sense, subtle passive neutralization. It would make sense why Anderson has lost some of his enthusiasm and his aggersive side.

Modifié par Proellx, 02 mars 2010 - 04:48 .

[Proellx]

Collider wrote...

Council must be stubborn and ineffective so Shepard actually has something to do. Where's the game if the Council said "Alright Shepard, we'll take it from here, we're sending the fleet to apprehend the Reaper threat."

Also, consider it from the Council's perspective.
a) Shepard is telling the council that an ancient race of organic-synthetic hybrids has been enslaving or destroying civilization for hundreds of thousands of years and is now going to do the same again. Sounds like those wacky "theories" that people cook up about the U.S. government being made up of reptilians.
Acknowledging or humoring the reaper threat is asking to send the galaxy into a panic, causing disorder, civil unrest, civil disobedience, and the council not being very popular.

apprehend the reaper threat? really not destroy them?
A) Yes but  it would explain why so little of the past civilizations exists. They must be people studying history out in the galaxy.

B)The council does not need to publicly acknowledge the threat but start to prepare. To take steps to battle the reapers like TIM  is doing. The council should be good at covert operations.

[trigger2kill1]

A Head Councilwoman at the Citidel got her head stuck up her ass yesterday, Alliance reporters heard. "She didn't just stick it up there in the morning and then pull it out at 5 like she usually does," an aide in her office reported, "No way. This time it got stuck. Bad."

C-sec Police and emergency personnel arrived on the scene within minutes of receiving a panicked 911 call around 5:15pm from a Council aide. Unfortunately, they were not able to remove the head from the ass on site and the Councilwoman--who, on top of being awkwardly contorted at the time, is also a self-described "Asari of size"--had to be placed in a wheelbarrow for carting to the Citidel clinic. Asked for comment at the scene, the Councilwoman replied with what (muffled) sounded like, "Hmm-hmm-hmm-hmm-hmmmmmmmmmm!!!!" After her head was released, those nearby realized she must actually have been screaming, "Get me outta heeeeeeeeeeeeeeere!!"
In a calmer moment back in the Council chambers this morning, before "re-inserting herself," the Head Councilwoman grew pensive, "My mother used to warn me that if I put my head up my ass for too long it would stay that way. I never believed her--you know how kids are--but I guess she was right. I wonder if . . . maybe I should start listening to my staff and making some better decisions around this place."

Modifié par trigger2kill1, 02 mars 2010 - 05:10 .

[Nozybidaj]

Collider wrote...

It's a plot device.

[Trenrade]

possibly

[shinobi602]

Damn The Angry One, your Shepard's hot.

[AccursedOdin]

I have a theory all my own on why the Council doesn't believe Shepard.



They are a bunch of hooting D**kholes.

[Thompson family]

RE: OP's theory.



Then Anderson would be affected too, and he's obviously not.

[Weskerr]

It's fun to theorize about these things - I do it myself. In the end, however, logic has no place in fictional stories. The only truth is what the writers say it is.