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[Booglarize]

ITQuatro wrote...

I think Miranda would be the most obvious. Through the whole thing, she just is getting on everyone's case, and she works exclusively for the illusive man. She'll do what she needs done.

I don't know about that. Try taking her with you to the final boss fight, and then destroy the base against the wishes of the Illusive Man. An... interesting conversation then ensues between him and Miranda. Suffice it to say that I doubt she'll be betraying Shepard (at least not out of loyalty to the Illusive Man or Cerberus). 

[Multifarious Algorithm]

Liara doesn't fit - while she is nominally working for the Shadow Broker, her goals line up with TIM's damn nicely for him. She could be the hook which gets him back on your side a little after ME2 since it sounds like TIM wouldn't mind the Shadow Broker disappearing.

Miranda is a good choice from the Oriana/blackmail perspective but I feel it would be out of character - Miranda would prefer to just kill everyone who's supposed to try and implement that plan, and well, she's got Shepard to help her do that so it will probably go swimmingly.

Garrus seems like a good possibility, but he's got nothing to really disagree with Shepard about. Tali on the otherhand...you could find yourself in opposition to her if she perceived you were endangering the Migrant Fleet, which in ME3 will almost certainly come up when you have to stop Admiral Xen from launching her cyberattack on the Geth (equivalent to biowarfare against them really).

[Big Yam]

Jacob should go rogue if you are too renegade.

[NYG1991]

EDI after she catches joker flying anoter ship

[Lareit]

Booglarize wrote...

ITQuatro wrote...

I think Miranda would be the most obvious. Through the whole thing, she just is getting on everyone's case, and she works exclusively for the illusive man. She'll do what she needs done.

I don't know about that. Try taking her with you to the final boss fight, and then destroy the base against the wishes of the Illusive Man. An... interesting conversation then ensues between him and Miranda. Suffice it to say that I doubt she'll be betraying Shepard (at least not out of loyalty to the Illusive Man or Cerberus). 

You're forgetting 1 variable to that equation

Oriana


Who TIm knows exactly where she is

paragon shepard just made life for Oriana extreamly hazardous.

[Flamewielder]

My money is on whichever of Kaidan/Ashley was ASSUMED KIA on Virmire. If Saren escaped the blast, a wounded and unconscious Kaiden/Ashley could have been captured/ indoctrinated and implanted, providing just as tragic a character as Yoshimo... Hence the dev's avowed importance of Kaiden/Ashley Liara (because of the comics in her case) to the ME3 plot.

Modifié par Flamewielder, 02 mars 2010 - 04:05 .

[jtav]

Lareit wrote...

Booglarize wrote...

ITQuatro wrote...

I think Miranda would be the most obvious. Through the whole thing, she just is getting on everyone's case, and she works exclusively for the illusive man. She'll do what she needs done.

I don't know about that. Try taking her with you to the final boss fight, and then destroy the base against the wishes of the Illusive Man. An... interesting conversation then ensues between him and Miranda. Suffice it to say that I doubt she'll be betraying Shepard (at least not out of loyalty to the Illusive Man or Cerberus). 

You're forgetting 1 variable to that equation

Oriana


Who TIm knows exactly where she is

paragon shepard just made life for Oriana extreamly hazardous.

Precisely. I can see Miranda having a nervous breakdown once she realizes what her defection means for Oriana. I can't wait.

Wow, a Mirand and Tali fan agreeing on something. What's next, cats and dogs living together? 

[Seneva]

Collider wrote...

Barquiel wrote...
Depending on your choices: Tali or Legion

Basically true of most squad mates, then.
Thane, Garrus, Mordin, and Samara have killed people they have disapproved of before. They are all experienced at doing it.
Zaeed could be hired to kill Shepard.
Jacob/Miranda could turn on Shepard if he does something against Cerberus or humanity.
Ashley/Kaidan could turn on Shepard if he does something against the Alliance or humanity.
Grunt could turn on Shepard if Shepard didn't help him out or if Shepard does something against the Krogan.
Jack could turn on Shepard if Shepard treats her like ****

When you spend some time talking to Thane he mentions you are the only friend he has made in the last 10 years.
Mordin is an aging Salarian. Want to spend the remainign days of his life doing something good. Doing something good does not mean betraying Shepard
Garrus - Indifferent about him.
Samara swore an oath to aid you against the collectors. if you force HER to do something dishonourable then she'll attack you when she completed the collector missions. Should Shepard go kill innocent people then yeah, she'll hunt him and will try to kill him.
Zaeed isn't stupid. The only way he can get a clear shot at Shepard is when using a sniper rifle 10 lightyears away. He doesn't stand a change in CQC and he knows it.
Jacob - indifferent.
Miranda - When playing as a paragon shepard she resigns from Ceberus. Out of her free will. Cerebrus COULD force her to via Oriana
Ashley/Kaidan - Interesting idea. Broken hearts, you joined the enemy (cerberus)
Grunt - No way he'll betray Shepard. You're his battlemaster. He knows you are just about the strongest there is.
Jack - If you didnt romanced her, then yeah, I could see it happen. If you paragon romanced her, no way.
Legion - Aslong as Shepards goals are the same as the Geth then no, they won't betray you.
Tali - I can't see that happening really. She'll most likely take a bullet to protect you first. If you do something against the Flotilla then she'll have to make the toughest decision in her life. Betraying Shepard in favour of the reapers, no way.

[Collider]

[quote]Seneva wrote...[/quote]
Just going to respond to you in the spirit of intellectual discussion. I actually don't think that any squad mates will betray you, but I'd like to discuss this.

[quote]When you spend some time talking to Thane he mentions you are the only friend he has made in the last 10 years.[/quote]
That's only if you both talk to him and buddy up with him. I'm sure his loyalty mission matters as well, he's very preoccupied by his son and if you don't do the loyalty mission or don't do it right, it's not exactly something Thane would like.

Mordin is an aging Salarian. Want to spend the remainign days of his life doing something good. Doing something good does not mean betraying Shepard.[/quote]
Mordin himself says that there can be two ways of doing good - helping people or executing dangerous enemies. I don't expect Mordin to do anything though, it'd be rather cheap if you get killed in your sleep just because you did something he disagreed with =p
[quote]Jacob - indifferent.
Miranda - When playing as a paragon shepard she resigns from Ceberus. Out of her free will. Cerebrus COULD force her to via Oriana[/quote]
I see Miranda as more likely to betray Shepard than Jacob. Jacob sees Shepard as a hero right off the bat, Miranda takes some time for her to truly respect Shepard.
[quote]
Grunt - No way he'll betray Shepard. You're his battlemaster. He knows you are just about the strongest there is. [/quote]
That's if you do his loyalty mission. If you refuse to take him to Tuchanka and you do something against the Krogans, I could see Grunt fighting Shepard. But at the same time, doing something about the Krogans could also make Grunt respect Shepard even more.

[Booglarize]

Lareit wrote...

Booglarize wrote...

ITQuatro wrote...

I think Miranda would be the most obvious. Through the whole thing, she just is getting on everyone's case, and she works exclusively for the illusive man. She'll do what she needs done.

I don't know about that. Try taking her with you to the final boss fight, and then destroy the base against the wishes of the Illusive Man. An... interesting conversation then ensues between him and Miranda. Suffice it to say that I doubt she'll be betraying Shepard (at least not out of loyalty to the Illusive Man or Cerberus). 

You're forgetting 1 variable to that equation

Oriana


Who TIm knows exactly where she is

paragon shepard just made life for Oriana extreamly hazardous.

Well yeah that's true, and would make for an interesting twist. I was responding more to the "works exclusively for the Illusive Man" bit. 

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

You are all decieved, it's the space hampster, Boo is really a reaper. Did you notice the knowing look it gives you at the pet store? Soon you shall see a giant space hampster reaper ship flying through space and clawing at the Presidium Tower! Then again, the Presidium is a ring so maybe the galaxy will be saved by the hampster reaper giving in to his primal instincts and running inside the wheel of the Presidium. In fact, that could save alot of money on power and maintenance for the Citadel to have a giant hampster giving it rotational thrust!

[Lareit]

jtav wrote...


Precisely. I can see Miranda having a nervous breakdown once she realizes what her defection means for Oriana. I can't wait.

Wow, a Mirand and Tali fan agreeing on something. What's next, cats and dogs living together? 

I take her with me to blow up the base just to cement that she did infact defect, and was not just dragged along for the ride.

[JedTed]

My money is on Thane, maybe he makes a deal with the Reapers to cure his kepral syndrome.

[MyChemicalBromance]

Does anyone else hope that the Quib Quib is a defunct Reaper? I AM QUIB QUIB. VANGUARD OF YOUR MINOR ANNOYANCE



Just thinking out loud here.

[Maestro975]

I imagine alignment will be a part of it. If you're high Paragon, then one of the more shadier individuals would betray you - "You and me on the same side, it never really seemed right, did it?" (Gul Dukat from Star Trek: Deep Space Nine). Conversely, if you are a Renegade, then there are more purely good characters that would eventually have issues with it. It might get to the point that they are disgusted by how corrupt you've become, and refuse to follow you, maybe even try to take you down.

Then, of course, there's the ME1 love interest VS your ME2 love interest, something's gotta give there.

For Example:

ASHLEY: We were friends. But I guess all that time, you were just waiting to get your slimy tendrils on him.
TALI: Listen to me, the Reaper is controlling you...
ASHLEY: Ya' think? Everyone uses each other. And if it's using me to kill you, then at least I'm getting something out of it.
TALI: I don't want to kill you.
ASHLEY: Easier for me then.

(fighting ensues)

[jtav]

I think having to fight whoever you sent to their death on Virmire would be cool. The Collectors found them barely alive in the wreckage, implanted them with Reaper tech, and indoctrinated them.

[Chaos-fusion]

My guess would be someone who is not killable. So no-one from ME2 except Joker/EDI.



But then, I played through Dragon Age just waiting for the bard to turn on me, so what do I know?

[Druss99]

I think Miranda is a bit too obvious, given the fact she can be quite hard to trust I think she could be the one to discover the betrayer or try to stop them, giving you a choice. Trust Miranda or them. Plus I think the betrayal wont be for the benefits of the Reapers but for Cerberus.



Personally I think it will be Kaiden/Ashley defecting to Cerberus after all they have seen in the galaxy from the council to aliens in general.

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

Yeah...well I don't think Thane or Miranda would betray Shepard to the Reapers. They both have family they are trying to protect and that family is toast if the reapers win. Jack might betray Shepard just to say "#$@^ the galaxy!" but she's nuts and kind of an idiot. Everyone else in ME 2 has enough self-preservation not to sell Shepard out.



I still think the space hampster might be working for the reapers!

[1490]

I say Miranda: she's most loyal to Cerberus and I could see her turning on you if the Illusive Man asked.

Failing that, I'd say Jacob.  I can see him being more like Yoshimo in that he might not want to turn on you, but that Cerberus has him by the balls somehow and he has to. 

[Amethyst Deceiver]

i realize this is the spoilers forum for ME2, but it would be kinda nice to be able to still read threads that dont have spoilers for the other games people may not have played yet

[Big I]

[quote]Amethyst Deceiver wrote...

i realize this is the spoilers forum for ME2, but it would be kinda nice to be able to still read threads that dont have spoilers for the other games people may not have played yet[

/quote]

There is a time limit on these things

Statute of limitations, I'm afraid. BG2 came out 10 years ago

[Vamp44]

Shepard.

[FlintlockJazz]

Maestro975 wrote...

I imagine alignment will be a part of it. If you're high Paragon, then one of the more shadier individuals would betray you - "You and me on the same side, it never really seemed right, did it?" (Gul Dukat from Star Trek: Deep Space Nine). Conversely, if you are a Renegade, then there are more purely good characters that would eventually have issues with it. It might get to the point that they are disgusted by how corrupt you've become, and refuse to follow you, maybe even try to take you down.

Then, of course, there's the ME1 love interest VS your ME2 love interest, something's gotta give there.

For Example:

ASHLEY: We were friends. But I guess all that time, you were just waiting to get your slimy tendrils on him.
TALI: Listen to me, the Reaper is controlling you...
ASHLEY: Ya' think? Everyone uses each other. And if it's using me to kill you, then at least I'm getting something out of it.
TALI: I don't want to kill you.
ASHLEY: Easier for me then.

(fighting ensues)

That is essentially what I'm thinking is gonna happen if you cheat as well.