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[Seneva]

[quote]Collider wrote...


[quote]Seneva wrote...[/quote]
Just going to respond to you in the spirit of intellectual discussion. I actually don't think that any squad mates will betray you, but I'd like to discuss this.


[quote]When you spend some time talking to Thane he mentions you are the only friend he has made in the last 10 years.[/quote]
That's only if you both talk to him and buddy up with him. I'm sure his loyalty mission matters as well, he's very preoccupied by his son and if you don't do the loyalty mission or don't do it right, it's not exactly something Thane would like.

Mordin is an aging Salarian. Want to spend the remainign days of his life doing something good. Doing something good does not mean betraying Shepard.[/quote]
Mordin himself says that there can be two ways of doing good - helping people or executing dangerous enemies. I don't expect Mordin to do anything though, it'd be rather cheap if you get killed in your sleep just because you did something he disagreed with =p
[quote]Jacob - indifferent.
Miranda - When playing as a paragon shepard she resigns from Ceberus. Out of her free will. Cerebrus COULD force her to via Oriana[/quote]
I see Miranda as more likely to betray Shepard than Jacob. Jacob sees Shepard as a hero right off the bat, Miranda takes some time for her to truly respect Shepard.
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Grunt - No way he'll betray Shepard. You're his battlemaster. He knows you are just about the strongest there is. [/quote]
That's if you do his loyalty mission. If you refuse to take him to Tuchanka and you do something against the Krogans, I could see Grunt fighting Shepard. But at the same time, doing something about the Krogans could also make Grunt respect Shepard even more.

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Who in his right mind would NOT do the loyalty missions on his first play through of the game? With any subsequent play through you can decide whatever you want of course but on your first?

[Selor Kiith]

I think... it would be the Virmire one too... I don't know... something tells me that I haven't seen Kaidan for the last time down there...

[Onyx Jaguar]

Watch they have had a hidden system the whole time where it monitors your decisions like in DA, where if you do something you'll get like -10 approval Garrus if he is in your party at the time.



That would drive all of us insane.

[Shadowrun1177]

Honestly of what I've read in this thread, I'd honestly say Miranda is the best choice for betrayal. Not to the Reapers, but to TIM cause of Oriana. Though I think what someone else posted about the person you left on Vermire returning under Reaper control sound's cool. You spend over 2 yrs thinking and possibly feeling guilty you doomed Ash/Kaidan to death on Vermire by leaving them behind to have them return under the control of the Reapers would be a major shock. I'm not sure that would be a betrayal though unless they some how got you to think they some how got away from the blast, you didn't know or think they were under Reaper control and they rejoined your group and then betrayed you.

[Vaenier]

That is easy, Samara will turn on you if you are Renegade. She says so herself.

Jack is next likely, being a partial sociopath.

[Akeashar]

Regarding Virmire... Ashley sucked a nuke to the face while she was guarding it, I'm not sure how she could get better after that unless her name is Morden.

Miranda could just be saying that she quit Cerberus, while keeping her allegiance in truth. Shes easily the most likely to betray you. Still, Samara could hunt you down in ME3 if you're a renegade, since she pretty much said she would once the collectors arre taken care of.

[Maestro975]

Vaenier wrote...

That is easy, Samara will turn on you if you are Renegade. She says so herself.
Jack is next likely, being a partial sociopath.

Ah, Jack..."much darkness I sense in her."

If you gain her loyalty, and romance her, then she might feel threatened by Ashley or Liara reentering your life. She hates Cerberus with a passion, so would probably be troubled by continued association with them, but she wouldn't fare much better with the Council, would she?

COUNCIL: We understand your concerns, Commander, but try to see this from our perspective. This woman has committed numerous acts of murder and terrorism, and has a long history of mental instability. She has the potential to be far more dangerous than Saren ever was.

SHEPARD: Bull****! You just want to study her like a lab animal.

COUNCIL: We are NOT Cerberus. Her actions on the Collector Station will be taken into account, and she will recieve fair legal representation, but she still has much to answer for.

JACK: I am NOT going back to jail. NEVER!

If Shepard's Charm/Intimidate skills weren't high enough, that situation could get REALLY bad.

[jklinders]

The Angry One wrote...

I see it's time for this pic again:

I love that pac, even if it is a glitch

Kelly: I'm sorry it had to come to this Mr.Moreau, please step into the lift.

[Flamewielder]

Akeashar wrote...

Regarding Virmire... Ashley sucked a nuke to the face while she was guarding it, I'm not sure how she could get better after that unless her name is Morden.

Would you also like her head on a pike, as a warning to future generations of would-be sidekicks that you shouldn't annoy the Hero?


Seriously though, since we never actually see Ashley/Kaiden get vaporized and only see the explosion from orbit, I think we cannot discount the idea they could come back as a tragic unwilling ally of the Reapers. It reeks of the classic "obscure death", made infamous by comic books and serial action movies...

[drew.winters]

If there is a traitor, I'm doubting it will be a single person - that is, it will depend on a number of choices you have or will have made. For that matter, whether or not there is a traitor may depend on the choices you have/will have made. It may be possible to avoid having a traitor entirely, just as it's possible to avoid leaving anyone behind on the final mission of ME2.



TIM is, of course, going to betray Paragon Shepard. This is so obvious I don't think he counts as "a traitor." As is Samara for Renegade Shepard, as pointed out above. I don't think Samara is going to be a major character in ME3 though, so I doubt that will be especially important to the storyline. TIM, however, will be. I expect a major thread in ME3 will be Alliance vs. Cerberus. A "Who do you choose?"-type thread - which starts with the ending of ME2.



Whoever you leave behind at Virmire is dead, full stop. Bringing them back would be an unforgivable lapse of storytelling, and I have more faith in Bioware than that.

[Shadowrun1177]

drew.winters wrote...

If there is a traitor, I'm doubting it will be a single person - that is, it will depend on a number of choices you have or will have made. For that matter, whether or not there is a traitor may depend on the choices you have/will have made. It may be possible to avoid having a traitor entirely, just as it's possible to avoid leaving anyone behind on the final mission of ME2.

TIM is, of course, going to betray Paragon Shepard. This is so obvious I don't think he counts as "a traitor." As is Samara for Renegade Shepard, as pointed out above. I don't think Samara is going to be a major character in ME3 though, so I doubt that will be especially important to the storyline. TIM, however, will be. I expect a major thread in ME3 will be Alliance vs. Cerberus. A "Who do you choose?"-type thread - which starts with the ending of ME2.

Whoever you leave behind at Virmire is dead, full stop. Bringing them back would be an unforgivable lapse of storytelling, and I have more faith in Bioware than that.

Ok, I know it could be considered cliche cause of the whole comic book/movie thing about seeing character die,but I don't see how bringing back the Virmire victim is a lapse of storytelling if done correctly and I think Bioware could pull it off cause they are great a telling stories.

[drew.winters]

Shadowrun1177 wrote...

Ok, I know it could be considered cliche cause of the whole comic book/movie thing about seeing character die,but I don't see how bringing back the Virmire victim is a lapse of storytelling if done correctly and I think Bioware could pull it off cause they are great a telling stories.

It would be bad storytelling because it makes the choice you have to make more-or-less meaningless, on top of being cliche and extremely implausible.  A lone, wounded soldier who swore to protect the bomb with their life, instead fights their way through enemy lines and manages to limp away fast enough to escape a nuclear blast?  Any escape would require a serious deus ex machina.  I'm not aware of any mechanic in the ME universe even capable of such a feat.  I mean, in Star Trek someone could beam him out - which would be lame, but plausible.  Even then, why would they hide out for over two years?  Are they mad at you for leaving them, even when they begged you to do so?  

Bringing them back would be ridiculous on every level.  A good story keeps the reader/audience engrossed and involved in the story.  Anything ridiculous enough to push the reader/audience out of the world of the story is bad storytelling.  There are, of course, varying levels of that.  We even have a phrase now to describe the really over-the-top instances:  "nuking the fridge."  This scene single-handedly ruined the entire fourth Indiana Jones movie for me.

Also, I'm fairly certain I read somewhere that BioWare has promised that the death of Virmire is final.  So there's that...

[Pho Kadat]

Liara, aka the Shadowbroker. She sells Sheperd out to the Reapers to ensure her "ascendance." Mommie had the right idea, but in the end she had doubts. Saren was an instrument, and nothing else. Liara is cold.

[Blameless77]

Pho Kadat wrote...

Liara, aka the Shadowbroker. She sells Sheperd out to the Reapers to ensure her "ascendance." Mommie had the right idea, but in the end she had doubts. Saren was an instrument, and nothing else. Liara is cold.

Pretty sure "ascendance" means liquidating an entire species into reaper paste, not so much an individual reward. Additionally, it would be fairly silly to have the whole Redemption comic series where Liara rescues your corpse from the Collectors/Shadow Broker only to have her sell you out to the Reapers in ME3.

[Pho Kadat]

Wow, I should spell-check. Ok, besides that...think about it. It is the perfect cover up. So perfect in fact that my head would explode if I even began to know what I was talking about.

[BHRamsay]

PooPoomonster wrote...

Make note if you have played Never Winter Nights or any of the Baldurs Gate series(actually only 1 of the games) or Knights of the Old Republic bioware has a history of having the female leads betray you in addition to a bizzare antique technology fetish.

Unless you count Jade Empire in which you get betrayed twice ...sortof

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Zu who  does that wierd thing where he runs out on you cause he need to know if he can trust you

and of course The Glourious 8astard --- opps that should read Stratagist.

[Blameless77]

Pho Kadat wrote...

Wow, I should spell-check. Ok, besides that...think about it. It is the perfect cover up. So perfect in fact that my head would explode if I even began to know what I was talking about.

Oh, I don't think you misspelled anything. I only put ascendance in quotes because you did.