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[yetareau]

I'm currently level 30, maxed Paragon, and upon completing Jack's loyalty mission, the fight between Miranda and Jack is triggered, but the paragon option to force them to get along is grayed out.

Even if I take a side durring the dissagreement, the chance to return the character you didn't side with to loyal again is still grayed out.

Is there an upcomming fix for this, or better yet, a way to fix it now? Help would be awesome.

Modifié par yetareau, 02 mars 2010 - 04:37 .

[Terran235]

Im also having this problem, if someone could, please help!

[tempAE0F]

Weird, dude. I've had this happen too, but with Legion and Tali's argument. It's almost as if I didn't max out fully.

[yetareau]

If you two are still reading this, I tried a few things, and I'm not sure which worked, but I respecced for the improved interactions and wore the death mask and it seemed to be enough to use the paragon option.

[VampireCommando]

i had this problem as well my friend for quite i while but through extensive testing i've finally fixed it i belive, i dont know why but you must do jack's loyalty mission before miranda's and it allow you to select the option, where as if you do miranda's first it screws up, i dont know why it screws up and i dont know why doing jack's first makes this whole thing work but it does, i have confirmed this for multipuly people and friends on this site and it appeared to have worked for them, so there is your solution i hope and i hope it helps you.

As for the Tali and legion one, this is odd to me as i have never had a problem with this one, no matter what has happened so i cannot help you unfountaley my friend sorry.

[ftoomch]

Not always the case Vamp.



I did the Jack loyalty mission before the Miranda one, had 100% paragon and 100% renegade points (2nd playthrough on same character) and both renegade and paragon options were greyed out.



Now Miranda is being a **** and Jack doesn't wanna talk anymore to my Femshep.

[Fyk0]

I read something from another thread what actually makes sense to this. The game keeps hidden record how much paragon/renegade points you have missed. You should constantly keep choosing the paragon or renegade choices. I don't remember all the factors what affects to the hardest moments, Jack vs Miranda, Tali and Legion, resisting Morinth, but the point is, keep choosing the paragon or renegade choices, or it will become impossible if you miss too much points, even your bar shows very high points in paragon or renegade later in the game.

Importing ME1 character helps also alot. I got 190 paragon points from importing character, what fills the paragon points I will miss in ME2.

So if you don't wanna play fully paragon or renegade and you don't wanna lose Miranda's or Jack's loyalty, importing ME1 character with big boost in paragon or renegade helps.

Modifié par Fyk0, 06 mars 2010 - 01:20 .

[TheTrooper1138]

Fyk0 wrote...

I read something from another thread what actually makes sense to this. The game keeps hidden record how much paragon/renegade points you have missed. You should constantly keep choosing the paragon or renegade choices. I don't remember all the factors what affects to the hardest moments, Jack vs Miranda, Tali and Legion, resisting Morinth, but the point is, keep choosing the paragon or renegade choices, or it will become impossible if you miss too much points, even your bar shows very high points in paragon or renegade later in the game.

well that's just stupid... why would they do that? Proves again that the whole Paragon/Renegade system needs to be overhauled! 

[VampireCommando]

ftoomch wrote...

Not always the case Vamp.

I did the Jack loyalty mission before the Miranda one, had 100% paragon and 100% renegade points (2nd playthrough on same character) and both renegade and paragon options were greyed out.

Now Miranda is being a **** and Jack doesn't wanna talk anymore to my Femshep.

you need either the majority paragon or renegade, have them at near enough the same level kinda makes them cancel each other out, i tend to have about half of the maximum paragon points and about half of the first bar of renegade points and that always works for me fine.

[Timerider42]

There are 1957 paragon and 1900 renegade points that make up 100% of those bars. Only way I was able to settle the argument between Miranda and Jack was to give myself more points through save editing.

[Moleculor]

You most likely can't have "even" points in both meters, but instead have to have a majority of the points you have in one meter or the other.



I personally did Miranda's loyalty first, then Jack's, and I settled their argument with a half-meter of Paragon on Insanity difficulty. My Renegade wasn't even 1/10th full.

[djsuha]

Yesterday i had same problem, PARAGON was almost full but after Jack Loyalt mission i couldn't choose that option, it was greyed. I played many times ( First time it is happen) also that is strange!!! she wasn't loyal but after Final Mission she was alive ?? What is wrong i dont understand !!!

[ObserverStatus]

I think that the tali/legion fight is easier to solve with paragon, while the miranda/jack fight is easier to solve with renegade.

[kongenial]

No way, it's just buggy. Got the same situation with Miranda/Jack and even though I completed all Quests and took always Paragon answers I was not able to convince Miranda to become loyal. Guessing it's time to fix such a plot bug.

[Fyk0]

kongenial wrote...

No way, it's just buggy. Got the same situation with Miranda/Jack and even though I completed all Quests and took always Paragon answers I was not able to convince Miranda to become loyal. Guessing it's time to fix such a plot bug.

Did you have imported ME1 or ME2 character?

[ftoomch]

Tried again; Jack's LM first, Miranda's second, full paragon path with only a few in Renegade....both options still greyed out.



Tried on 2 different characters too.

[kongenial]

@Fyk0



No, it was a new one. But nevertheless I was able to solve Miranda/Jack with just a half of Renegade-Meter with an imported char. It just seems to be a bug.

By the way, same goes for Zaeed, as I was also not able to convince him during his mission with a nearly full Paragon-Meter.

[Fyk0]

Very weird. Well here's the post I saw on the other thread posted by Ecael:


Kim Stolz (BioWare) recently revealed the secret behind Paragon and
Renegade in one of the technical support forums. The game basically
keeps its own hidden bar of the maximum amount of Paragon or Renegade
you can get every time you enter an area. It then takes a percentage of
that hidden bar to calculate how much you need at that moment to pass
the check. The more times you miss a possible place to get Paragon or
Renegade, the more checks you eventually fail. The more checks you
fail, the more you miss getting Paragon or Renegade. It's a snowball
effect.

To simplify: The game keeps track of all of your missed opportunities in
getting Paragon or Renegade in every single area. If you start falling
behind, you will most likely never catch up. You HAVE to continuously
act Paragon OR Renegade. This becomes much easier if you start out with
an import bonus from ME1 for those extra Paragon/Renegade points.

In addition, the ship arguments have different percentages. Miranda/Jack
is easier to resolve with Renegade and Tali/Legion is easier to resolve
with Paragon. That import bonus provides a safety net in case you miss
some opportunities. Doing the mission earlier can be slightly in your
favor only because you haven't missed as many opportunities yet.

Modifié par Fyk0, 07 mars 2010 - 03:23 .

[NadanHotic]

kongenial wrote...

@Fyk0

No, it was a new one. But nevertheless I was able to solve Miranda/Jack with just a half of Renegade-Meter with an imported char. It just seems to be a bug.
By the way, same goes for Zaeed, as I was also not able to convince him during his mission with a nearly full Paragon-Meter.

on my first go i had problems with miranda and zaeed not beeing loyal.

i later played with an imported character and solved the problem.

in miranda/jack issue you need full paragon and when the cutscene comes just tell them both to chill out. (blue text). otherwise it doesnt work!!

in zaeeds case you have to let the colonists die regardless of paragon points. the dude zaeed is after must die or zaeed wont become loyal at all. i played the zaeed mission 7 times so far and all the variations point to that you have to go after his nemesis.

[kongenial]

@Nadan
Well if I have to dismiss the Paragon-Option than this have to be considered a bug, as there is a final Paragon-Answer (which was greyed out to me). The "Chill Out"-Answer was greyed as well.

@Fyk0
This makes sense, but I played just like this. Always choose the Paragon-Answer and took all Paragon-Actions I could find. I also delayed the Omega-Relay so I could get the points from Legions mission. But it would just not work. Don't know, maybe it's a bug triggered by a specific order of events, as I was able to use two Paragon-Options on Morinth while the third stayed grey.

Edit: I now remember that I always took the Specialisation with the lesser Paragon/Renegade-Bonus (e.g. 70%). Do you think it is maybe just that?

Edit 2: I just did some testing and I think I figured it. It really seems, that the player get punished for not choosing the higher Paragon-Bonus from the specialisation. So I think before such crucial options you have to research "Retrain Powers" and use the higher bonus to convince the hencemen and retrain another time after that. Still seems weird though.

Modifié par kongenial, 07 mars 2010 - 04:36 .

[NadanHotic]

dunno! had that mask +10% to speech every time!!

that helped i think. had a full paragon for miranda/jack and waited to do jacks mission until the last possible moment . just before the IFF mission. that way i got max imn paragon because i did all the other missions and all the sidequests.

[Kloreep]

NadanHotic wrote...

in zaeeds case you have to let the colonists die regardless of paragon points. the dude zaeed is after must die or zaeed wont become loyal at all. i played the zaeed mission 7 times so far and all the variations point to that you have to go after his nemesis.

Strange, I was able to Paragon-convince Zaeed back into Loyalty despite.

Was a bit surprised I was allowed to do that, too. I guess Bioware wants to make sure we don't have to choose between squad loyalty and being fully Paragon/Renegade. Which would explain why there didn't appear to be a Renegade option to calm him down after choosing the colonists over the target.

Also used the Paragon options for both Miranda/Jack and Legion/Tali. I did take the +100% persuasion class option, and did so early on (first skill I maxed out).

[burb2500]

I initially had this problem as well but my solution was rather weird. On the skill page you have a number of different skills to put your points into. The second last one (usually) is affects your character (i.e. it boosts health and combat ability). When you max it out you get the usual option of choosing between 2 different outcomes (i.e. more health vs. more damage). This step is key: if you choose the 2nd one you can only get a max of 70% paragon/renegade. If you choose this option you cannot access the renegade/paragon options for the Miranda/Jack fight. If you choose the first option instead (100% paragon/renegade) then you get the dialogue options. If you've already made this choice, go to the research hub and retrain your powers.

[kongenial]

@burb2500



That's what I ment with specialisation.

[infamouswolf]

@burb2500

@kongenial

i have tried the spec. option with 100% paragon and still its grayed out,i have about 50% paragon and im still not able to choose an option. any other suggestions?