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[kongenial]

Really? Well I wasn't able to fill the Paragon-Meter complete unless with the specialisation. I guess you have to earn more Paragon-Points to use the dialogue options as I needed the full meter to use them.

[Xpheyel]

 Yeah I had the exact same problem. On my first play through (imported 47 paragon) I even goofed up the Paragon side of the Zaeed and Garrus loyalty missions and got the Quarian marine killed while recruiting Tali but eventually managed to charm Miranda back into loyalty around 80% of the blue bar. Though I can't recall the exact order (Zaeed was early on, Garrus and Tali may've been later). 

Second go around, non-imported, took Miranda's side. I still couldn't get the option during the fight at ~90%. Nor could I ever charm Jack even at 100% of the Paragon bar. Ditto on Zaeed, tried the Paragon route and didn't get his text (pretty high too, 80ish). Couldn't resist Morinth either (significantly lower paragon at that point though). 

Now, knowing it was coming, I did Miranda's (I do Jack's early just to make her wear a shirt already) last on the second go around. Plus, I always snark TIM a bit, wasn't sweating the +2 Renegade that much from occasionally picking a lower dialog option to change things up for Saint Shepherd. Sounds like my acerbic wit cost me. I guess that prevents you from gaming the system but it does give you kind of a false impression of Blue Bar = Blue Text. Plus, it renders your Shepherd a pretty flat character.

% of the Blue Bar apparently doesn't mean that much for the fight in absolute terms. Will try import Shepherd and doing the missions earlier... Ain't going to give up needling TIM when given the option though. 

Modifié par Xpheyel, 09 mars 2010 - 05:24 .

[icedoggshadey]

This is crazy.  BIOWARE send a PATCH!  If you have more than 4 bars of either Paragon or Renegade you
should get access to the additional conversation options.  FIX it or I swear I will not buy Mass Effect 3.
I have WAAAAYYYYY to many hours in this game to get screwed like this.

[infamouswolf]

still having trouble with it....i was able to use paragon for the legion and tali fight but i still cant get the miranda thing to work...

[Sedrival]

Fyk0 wrote...

Very weird. Well here's the post I saw on the other thread posted by Ecael:


Kim Stolz (BioWare) recently revealed the secret behind Paragon and
Renegade in one of the technical support forums. The game basically
keeps its own hidden bar of the maximum amount of Paragon or Renegade
you can get every time you enter an area. It then takes a percentage of
that hidden bar to calculate how much you need at that moment to pass
the check. The more times you miss a possible place to get Paragon or
Renegade, the more checks you eventually fail. The more checks you
fail, the more you miss getting Paragon or Renegade. It's a snowball
effect.

To simplify: The game keeps track of all of your missed opportunities in
getting Paragon or Renegade in every single area. If you start falling
behind, you will most likely never catch up. You HAVE to continuously
act Paragon OR Renegade. This becomes much easier if you start out with
an import bonus from ME1 for those extra Paragon/Renegade points.

In addition, the ship arguments have different percentages. Miranda/Jack
is easier to resolve with Renegade and Tali/Legion is easier to resolve
with Paragon. That import bonus provides a safety net in case you miss
some opportunities. Doing the mission earlier can be slightly in your
favor only because you haven't missed as many opportunities yet.

If that's true then it's quite possibly the most retarded alignment system I've ever heard of ._.

[AngelFrost]

I achieved Zaheed's loyalty with ~20% Paragon using an imported ME1 Paragon (100%) character. I did Miranda's loyalty mission the first chance I got and then did Jack's, with the argument successfully solved with ~60% Paragon before the Reaper IFF mission trigger. And with Tahi/Legion, I solved the argument with (what appeared to be) ~100% Paragon without a problem.



Admittedly whenever a Paragon option came up I took it and if no Paragon option was possible (i.e. most talks with Jack), I took the Rengade option. But I think Kim Stolz's reveal of the way the system works was the key for me, because I brought over bonus Paragon points from my ME1 save due to already being a 100% Paragon in the first game.



*shrug*



I don't think that the system is broken... probably just snowballs too quickly.

[Anzeroth]

I just found out how to activate the paragon option.

1.Have an Imported ME1 character otherwise it won't work.

2.Do not do the LM of Miranda or Jack until you have the death mask.

3.Do first Jack's LM then Miranda's.

4.Your paragon must be at least at 75%.(I did it with only 1 box in the meter empty,the rest full.)



Here is a video of mine about this on youtube:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzCAreip9Pc

[Martian_Dude]

Hey guys,

Been reading this thread and a few others talking about not being able to make the important paragon choices. I’ve been running into a bunch of these issues after reimporting my lvl 28 me2 character.



Spoilers below…



First of all, I wasn’t able to paragon convince zaeed on his loyalty mission and I had nearly three bars of paragon. First time I played through, I got it with one and a half bars. Next, I did Samara’s loyalty mission and I wasn’t given the choice to pick either her or morinth this time, even though I had similar paragon scores. Last time I was able to paragon finish the conversation and choose between them.



I’ve been saving the Jack/Miranda confrontation because I know that’s a tough one. But now I’m almost all out of secondary missions to raise my paragon, so I’ll let you know soon. I’ve heard in a few places that the paragon requirements raise with your character level, so that my be what’s causing some of the issues. I dunno… generally it seems like a bad idea to re-import your me2 character. I’ve run into much more bugs this time around…

[Martian_Dude]

Okay, I finished all the other missions possible (aside from Zaeed’s which I’ll try next) and tried the Jack loyalty mission with the confrontation. I had four bars out of five for paragon and I still wasn’t able to make the paragon response.



I’ll try Zaeed’s again but I think my character being level 30 is making the paragon requirements too high. I’ll post what I find soon.

[Anzeroth]

You need to have equipped the death mask in both Jack's ans Miranda's Loyalty mission.

You can found it in Tutchanka...

[Martian_Dude]

Well Miranda's missions is too far back and I don't have a save. I'll give it a shot with Jack's though, thanks.

[MOTpoetryION]

ive have been to 4 and a half bars and still diddnt have a unlocked paragon option thats saying 5 bars=each being 20% right so i had 90% filled bar and not unlocked its BS

[MOTpoetryION]

im going with the failsafe because its obviously broke and doing that one glitch on the first mission when waking up just to fill maybe 1 and a half bars before i start the game . hey i dont think they care to even fix it so oh well im fine with it

EDIT and the death mask does not help because you are not wereing it  at the time of the fight

Modifié par MOTpoetryION, 30 mars 2010 - 02:51 .

[Eshaye]

The trick to make sure you can defuse both this fight and the Tali/Legion one is to do people's loyalty quests ASAP!

I did Miranda's quest right after she gave it to me, then as soon as I could I did Jack's and was able to paragon convince them to chill out and not lose loyalty. Did Tali's quest right away too and Legion as soon as possible and was also able to difuse the situation as a paragon.

There's just something wonky with the amount of time that lapses between going to worlds and quests if you spend too much time and leave loyalty quests for too long you can't convince your friends of anything no matter how many points you have.

^_~

edit: I see people have issues with other loyalty quests, I couldn't convince Zaeed at one point either and it was because I had put off doing his quest too. So I'm pretty sure about this theory, do not put any loyalty quests off, ever just do them as soon as you can, you can do N7 missions after the game even so don't spend too much time on those extras. 

Modifié par Eshaye, 30 mars 2010 - 02:52 .

[MOTpoetryION]

you might have something there because mirrandas quest is from the first batch of them and i always left her to do last . so ... thanks for the info

[zwamhoff]

Anzeroth wrote...

I just found out how to activate the paragon option.
1.Have an Imported ME1 character otherwise it won't work.
2.Do not do the LM of Miranda or Jack until you have the death mask.
3.Do first Jack's LM then Miranda's.
4.Your paragon must be at least at 75%.(I did it with only 1 box in the meter empty,the rest full.)

Here is a video of mine about this on youtube:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzCAreip9Pc

Thanks for this.  Not having the Paragon option for the Miranda/Jack fight was greatly annoying.

[Martian_Dude]

Okay, just tried the death mask trick with Jack and Miranda. It didn’t work. Also, right after, I attempted to do Zaeed’s mission with nearly a maxed paragon bar and it didn’t work either. Guess this time, I’m going into the suicide mission with two that aren’t loyal…btw, I’ve maxed out my shocktropper skill tree which should give me a 100% bonus, so I’m pretty annoyed.

Like I said earlier, I never had any of these issues the first time through. Only when I reimported him for a second playthrough. 

Modifié par Martian_Dude, 30 mars 2010 - 11:43 .

[Griftor]

this is really, really ****** me off......

its a good story, but this paragon system..... hate it.

dont think in playing ME3 that way.... I'll stay loyal to Ash, but I dont want let mirando or jack die on that last mission....

[binaryemperor]

Yeah, I once was at 90% paragon and about 25% renegade, and somehow the paragon option was grayed out, but the renegade option was available. I was able to **** them out, and to be honest, it was kind of funny to have paragon shepard tell them both to shove it.

[exile1478]

Some other threads suggest this is impossible to complete unless you do it with an imported ME1 character because of the paragon/renegade bonuses. If this is the case I'm stuffed cos I never played ME1. I only tried 2 after dragonage proved to be such an awesome game

[Zan51]

Hey guys, if anyone is looking at this, I have this problem now. I also have glitches with Shepard getting on top of things like walls and crates by accident, and I can't get her down so she dies.



I am playing 2nd time around on an imported ME1 character, so L 30 now and some few side missions and loyalty ones to do Paragon points are 3/4 almost and 1/4 Renegade, but the Miranda/Jack fight options I want are grayed out. Not tried the mask yet.

[koheed]

Hope this helps. I was unable to difuse the catfight on my first playthrough. Paragon was about 75% and I had done mirandas loyalty second. I think it is worth noting that I had left these missions to the end of the game. As I had done mirandas mission second and the spat happens directly after that I wasn't able to talk to her afterwards which I believe was reason I was unable to regain her loyalty which meant she died in the final mission (I had tried various combinations and she still died regardless).

I've been searching forums trying to find a solution and one (can't remember where) gave the impression that this scenario isn't really reliant on your morality as such but more on your interactions with the characters. It also implied that rather than metagame your way around this problem it is better to let the story unfold natural.

Going with this approach in mind I'm doing my second playthrough now and:
-Am playing down the paragon path.
-Recruited Jack as soon as I could.
-Kept dialouge between the characters as often as I could. The more the better works I think.
-Haven't recruited any others for the squad.
-Did Jacks loyalty and talked straight after.
-Talked as much as I could to Miranda and then did her loyalty next.
-Was given the option to difuse the catfight.

Worked out ok and my paragon level was barely past the first bar and I didn't import a ME1 game.

Also I had the deathmask equiped.

Modifié par koheed, 17 septembre 2010 - 04:27 .

[stewie1974]

If you don't have an ME save game... and you are a PC user... help is at hand.

http://masseffectsaves.com/


It's also usefull for unlocking content otherwise not available as well as raising your paragon /renegade and starting resources...

Such as the arachni queen envoy.
The feron colonist.
The conrad verner reunion... amongst others.

Modifié par stewie1974, 17 septembre 2010 - 02:53 .

[uncle paul]

I failed to get mirandas loyalty. Probably because i did not play ME1.