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[Asheer_Khan]

@Shandepared.

Please tell me how big is Alliance in general?

So far as i known except earth Alliance have few colonies scatters around traverse and Skylian Verge when Turian Hierarchy poses "couple" pretty well develop (shipyards) star systems and fleet which definitive outgun entire Alliance fleet.

If any "diplomatic accident" will occur i wonder how long Alliance could stand against entire Turian war machine?
I doubt as well that Asari and Salarians would stand idle so your perfect human dominated Citadel will be all alone against fury of the galaxy and trust me nobody will move small finger in thier boots to help human colonies in Terminus ,Skylian Verge and Attican Traverse raided by Batarians and other pirates.

This Ubermensh chaotic galaxy will be perfect interlude for appearance of main actors in this show...

Modifié par Asheer_Khan, 20 mars 2010 - 12:05 .

[Bhaal]

Shandepared wrote...
Which is exactly what we are. Shocking, isn't it? At the end of the day holding to your ideals won't mean a single goddamn thing if your species is exterminated.

Adakutay wrote...
I would say if i sacrifice ideals to survive then humans are notting but most evolved apex predators of their planet(in reality i believe in that anyway)

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Shandepared wrote...
I will do exactly that because that is exactly what it is.

Adakutay wrote...
In conclusion as an individual i'll be making a moral/philosophical choice either way.

You don't realy read what i write don't you?

Modifié par Adakutay, 20 mars 2010 - 12:13 .

[Bigdoser]

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I will do exactly that because that is exactly what it is.

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Shandepared I never knew you where that arrogant.

[Mcjon01]

Shandepared wrote...

Mcjon01 wrote...


This poorly written and thought out
post made me realize, on a completely unrelated note, that I'm not as
Paragon as I'd like to think I am.  Because, to be honest, I would
absolutely turn every last human into Reaper-paste, as long as I could
set myself up as the dominant personality when we all come out the
other side as an immortal space-robot Cthulhu. 

Wow,
and here I thought I was gonna turn some heads by admitting that I'd be
willign to sacrifice a hundred million human lives to build a Reaper if
only so I could then dismantle it.

I figure if I'm gonna jump a shark, I might as well strap a rocket to the jet ski.  No point in doing things half-heartedly.

[Asheer_Khan]

[quote]Bigdoser wrote...


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I will do exactly that because that is exactly what it is.

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Shandepared I never knew you where that arrogant.

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Reading post of people like Shandepared or Zulu_DFA makes me really wish that Bioware will created true hell game for renegades to show them where thier choices will lead.
*Sigh...* i saw i history people who thinks exacly like those duo and look what remains from thier "empires"... and that's best conclusion for thier "PURE HUMANITY RULED GALAXY" dream.

[Bigdoser]

Maybe i worded my sentance incorrectly cause before i joined the forums i lurked alot reading loads of post i knew your stance in discussion's like this but when you said that your choice is the ultimate one. I thought to myself why does anyone listen to this guy anymore? there's no point even debating with him.

[Weiser_Cain]

Mcjon01 wrote...

Weiser_Cain wrote...

What if it's the reaper tech itself that makes a reaper, so that the more you know and use the tech the more like the reapers you become?

This poorly written and thought out post made me realize, on a completely unrelated note, that I'm not as Paragon as I'd like to think I am.  Because, to be honest, I would absolutely turn every last human into Reaper-paste, as long as I could set myself up as the dominant personality when we all come out the other side as an immortal space-robot Cthulhu.  The biggest problem I have with the base is letting the Reapers or Cerberus be the ones running it.

Oh, TIM, as much as I hate you, it would be so awesome to be you.

Choke on it.

[Mcjon01]

Shandepared wrote...

In the end the tech we'll gain from the Collector base may give us the edge we need to stand completely alone against the Reapers and the rest of the galaxy.

My biggest problem with standing completely alone against the rest of the galaxy, is that I'm pretty sure that means most of that galaxy is going to hate us.  And yeah, yeah, I know you'll say that politics isn't a popularity contest, but that's not the point.  The point is that being hated by the galaxy directly conflicts with my primary directive of having sex with everything in the galaxy.  Krogans seem like the only species that would send breeding requests to humans-as-interstellar-conquerers, and that hardly seems safe.

I mean, you know the old saying:  "Once you go Krogan, you're crushed to death."

[ObserverStatus]

Yo, bigdoser, stop feeding the trolls.

[Dethateer]

Mcjon01 wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

In the end the tech we'll gain from the Collector base may give us the edge we need to stand completely alone against the Reapers and the rest of the galaxy.

My biggest problem with standing completely alone against the rest of the galaxy, is that I'm pretty sure that means most of that galaxy is going to hate us.  And yeah, yeah, I know you'll say that politics isn't a popularity contest, but that's not the point.  The point is that being hated by the galaxy directly conflicts with my primary directive of having sex with everything in the galaxy.  Krogans seem like the only species that would send breeding requests to humans-as-interstellar-conquerers, and that hardly seems safe.

I mean, you know the old saying:  "Once you go Krogan, you're crushed to death."

"You want die like last men visit Amazonia?"
"What did they die of?"
"Crushed pelvis."
"GOD YES!"

[Bigdoser]

bobobo878 wrote...

Yo, bigdoser, stop feeding the trolls.

I just realised it I won't be responding to his comments anymore.

[Dethateer]

So, basically you're saying that we're better than everyone else, and therefore we deserve to rule?

[Dethateer]

The problem is that the best decisions for us might not really also be good for everyone else.

[spryforadeadguy]

Shandepared wrote...

Dethateer wrote...

So, basically you're saying that we're better than everyone else, and therefore we deserve to rule?

No, we are better than anyone else at ruling ourselves and so we deserve to be in the best possible position to do exactly that; which means being dominant in the galaxy. Anything less and someone else will be making the final decisions for us.

Why not just carve out our own little isolationist corner of the galaxy for ourselves like the geth?  Why does human autonomy have to come at the expense of the other races?

[Dethateer]

Shandepared wrote...

Dethateer wrote...

The problem is that the best decisions for us might not really also be good for everyone else.

To that I ask, "So what?" What is good for them is none of our concern.

Numbers. One species isn't worth the sacrifice of every other species.

[Asheer_Khan]

Shandepared wrote...

Asheer_Khan wrote...

@Shandepared.

Please tell me how big is Alliance in general?

The game never gives us a very clear indication.

Certainly one would think that the Turians could just steam-roll us. However you have to remember that in addition to dreadnaughts we have fighter carriers. Also our military doctrine allows our fleets to be very mobile. Turian fleets on the other hand may be more stationary, especially after the loses they suffered in ME1.

Ultimately, if the Council races were capable of steam-rolling the Alliance after the events of ME1 they'd have done it. In fact if that were the case Udina (probably) would not have been stupid enough to suggest a take-over of the Council.

In the end the tech we'll gain from the Collector base may give us the edge we need to stand completely alone against the Reapers and the rest of the galaxy.

*Sigh...*
During Cutadel batte Turians looses 20 cruisers which were more or less "CITADEL GUARD FLEET" whemn core of Turian fleet remain on thier homeworld and can't join battle because of Saren's lock down of the relay system.
If you close egsamin codex about First Contact war  to reclaim Shanxi from Turians Alliance mobilized ENTIRE FLEET  when Turians send there mere small attack squadron but when they realize what's goin on they mobilized entire fleet and were ready to steam rolled over Alliancebut then Council stepped up and forced BOTH sides to cease fire.

Udina jump on ocassion to size control over new council because of  temporal chaos after battle whit Sovieregin BUT soon or later new leaders (and this time blood thirsty hawks) will take command over Turian fleet and having no respect for new council they will take action to put at end Human dominance on the Citadel.

EDIT: For your information i read many (maybe too many) books about human history since first unity of Egipt 5000 thousand years ago.

Modifié par Asheer_Khan, 20 mars 2010 - 12:43 .

[Mcjon01]

Shandepared wrote...

Dethateer wrote...

So, basically you're saying that we're better than everyone else, and therefore we deserve to rule?

No, we are better than anyone else at ruling ourselves and so we deserve to be in the best possible position to do exactly that; which means being dominant in the galaxy. Anything less and someone else will be making the final decisions for us.

We could always just go the route of the Elcor and become so astoundingly self-sufficient that all major galactic powers consider us impossible to really attack or coerce in any way.  They choose to participate in galactic affairs, but they don't actually need to.

[spryforadeadguy]

Shandepared wrote...

Dethateer wrote...

The problem is that the best decisions for us might not really also be good for everyone else.

To that I ask, "So what?" What is good for them is none of our concern.

With that kind of attitude, why bother about the whole of humanity at all?  Wouldn't your own personal gains be a much greater priority?