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[Wildecker]

One good reason for destroying the base: it is a Reaper construction and maintenance facility and will be one of their first targets once they reach the galaxy. And you can't defend it against a Reaper task force in any other way than blowing it.
The vast amount of wreckage near your exit point suggests that the Reaper IFF (IFF meaning Identification Friend or Foe) probably didn't make that much of a difference for safe passage through the relay - it rather served to prevent the Oculus mines from attacking you, and my guess is they went after the Normandy because the Collectors had changed IFF codes after taking Shepard's crew.
The base itself has no weapons, otherwise they would not have had to undock their cruiser to go for the Normandy once it was beyond the mines.
Now we have seen that the base can be conquered by a small commando force. Once word leaks out that it is there, Cerberus will have its hands full with keeping STG, Spectres, Asari commandoes and the occasional merc force from snatching it (or blowing it up if they can't have it). So if The Man finally finds himself in need of destroying the base to prevent it from becoming an enemy asset, he may have to kill most of his scientists in the process.

Modifié par Wildecker, 22 mars 2010 - 11:46 .

[wolfsite]

The Batarian on Omega said it best to Shepard



"Things Explode when you are around"



So you need to blow the place up to maintain your reputation.

[Collider]

I don't think we can paint humanity as selfless or selfish. Realistically, most power lies in the hands of the few and humans differ widely in opinion.



Primarily, I believe the base shouldn't be kept because Reaper technology has been known to be dangerous and even indoctrinating people when apparently "dormant." That's a lot of dangerous technology for a terrorist organization, even more so should Cerberus get indoctrinated.

An emotional reason, but I also consider the fact that so many people died as a result of the base.

[greghorvath]

Killing one reaper cost thousands of lives and was basically possible because the alliance got a lucky break when he was occupied with fighting shepard as Saren.
We know a whole bunch of them is headed our way.
I appreciate Shepard's optimistic view that the galaxy will win without using the info of the collector station, but tipping the odds in favor of the enemy is stupid at best.
The galaxy, in the long run, would probably agree that even human dominance is better than snuffing it. (Don't give me wisdom about pride of krogan or turian, dying rather than being slaves, bla-bla-bla and whatnot: any intelligent race would guess that resisting a dominant enemy for longer has a much better potential result than dying quickly. If they don't understand this, the galaxy is probably better off without them...)

Modifié par greghorvath, 22 mars 2010 - 02:13 .

[Behindyounow]

Reapers indroctinate. Their technology doesn't. The only risk is half smashed reaper fetus at the bottom of the station, and after what happened at the derelict reaper, I think Cerberus knows the dangers.

[Collider]

Behindyounow wrote...
Reapers indroctinate. Their technology doesn't.

Reaper indoctrination facility on Virmire.

[Behindyounow]

There was a reaper on site though.

Modifié par Behindyounow, 22 mars 2010 - 01:53 .

[Dethateer]

Behindyounow wrote...

Reapers indroctinate. Their technology doesn't. The only risk is half smashed reaper fetus at the bottom of the station, and after what happened at the derelict reaper, I think Cerberus knows the dangers.

Dragon's Teeth would disagree with you, but we don't really know who made those yet. And before anyone brings up the Derelict Reaper, it was unconscious, not dead.

[Collider]

Dethateer wrote...

Behindyounow wrote...

Reapers indroctinate. Their technology doesn't. The only risk is half smashed reaper fetus at the bottom of the station, and after what happened at the derelict reaper, I think Cerberus knows the dangers.

Dragon's Teeth would disagree with you, but we don't really know who made those yet.

I'd assume the Reapers as the Dragon Teeth were in the Derelict Reaper. I might also add that there is a sidemission in ME2 that has people turned into husks (as well as indoctrinated) away from any reaper.

[Merct88]

Behindyounow wrote...

Reapers indroctinate. Their technology doesn't. The only risk is half smashed reaper fetus at the bottom of the station, and after what happened at the derelict reaper, I think Cerberus knows the dangers.

Oh Cerberus knows the risks, but that doesn't change the fact that they're going to exploit it as much as possible. Remember this is the same organization that did studies on the Thorian and dragon teeth (which is Reaper tech) on colonists. They make the same mistake again with the derelict reaper. Cerberus doesn't learn form their mistakes, they have someone go in and sweep them under the rug a la bullets and heavy weapons. 

Thats why I destroyed the base. Between the threat of indoctrination and Cerberus' recklessness, it was the best option. Even if I saved it for the council, it doesn't make it any less dangerous or exploitable. 

[RenownedRyan]

Simply because it's the right thing to do. What do you think Cerberus will use it for? BioWare said that this decision will have "huge ramifications" for ME3.

[RobbertDewulf]

Because TIM is a greedy bastard, and would use it then to conquer the universe in name of the humans .

[Behindyounow]

RenownedRyan wrote...

BioWare said that this decision will have "huge ramifications" for ME3.

Yeah right. Just like deciding who dies on Virmire had a massive effect (puntastic!) on ME2?

[GreedIsNoException]

Actually after conquering the universe we will have a huge Star Wars like Empire and so either TIM or Udina will be Emperor and you hence Darth Vader (the chosen one to save the universe but you were the one who f*cked it up)

[GreedIsNoException]

Behindyounow wrote...

RenownedRyan wrote...

BioWare said that this decision will have "huge ramifications" for ME3.

Yeah right. Just like deciding who dies on Virmire had a massive effect (puntastic!) on ME2?

Or the Councilar or saving the Council. All choices have a 5% importance. I never met Garrus and he still recognized me.

[Behindyounow]

Well you do actually meet Garrus in ME1 no matter what. You meet him outside the council chambers arguing with Pallin. Whether or not you find him after that is up to you though.

[Collider]

Shandepared wrote...

RobbertDewulf wrote...

Because TIM is a greedy bastard, and would use it then to conquer the universe in name of the humans .

How is that a bad thing?

Do you think that the alien races are going to roll over and die?

[Behindyounow]

Who said death would be their fate? More like eternal servitude to their human overlords.

[SpartanMKV]

Indoctrination takes time, unless a Reaper just deliberately blasts you with it. That much is established in the first game. It would take even more time with a dead baby Reaper. At the very least the base and dead Reaper could be presented to the Alliance or council as irrefutable proof, even to those morons.

[Collider]

Shandepared wrote...

Collider wrote...

Do you think that the alien races are going to roll over and die?

Do you really think the other nations will just roll over and die? If America steps forward now as a world power we'll get curbstomped when everyone unites against us.

--of-course that's not what happened, is it?

Last I checked, Earth was not a galaxy with more than one sapient species, most of which were spacefaring far longer than humans.

[v00d00w1tchD0c]

Busomjack wrote...

I don't think the Collector ship would cause indoctrination. Only Reapers look like they're capable of indoctrinating organics, not Reaper related technology.

That being said I still chose to destroy the Collector base even playing as a renegade because I do not trust The Illusive Man.

If a dead reaper can cause indoctrination and husks within a weeks, then im pretty sure keeping a Collecter base, which was made by reapers, would cause something along the same lines...