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[Thompson family]

A reader can see a lot of justified groaning about the Council on this forum. Much of it centers upon the Turian ambassador, Mr. Finger Quotes.

Hey, the Council deserves it. But somebody should point out that Shepard and Anderson's biggest problem is their own faction: The Alliance.

Anderson doesn't stand a chance at bringing the Council over to his side or even convincing them to take a few precautions because the Alliance is at least an determined to undermine Shepard's warnings as any faction.

Refer to Ken and Gabby's conversation with Shepard in Engineering while they describe why they joined Cerberus: It was the "Alliance Brass" that "swooped like vultures," discrediting everything Shepard ever said about the Reapers.

Plot contrivance? Maybe. Hey, probably. But it's clear the Alliance wants to colonize as many planets as it can grab. Human expansion made the other factions in Council space nervous in ME1. Witness Anderson's talks to Shepard in that game. Now we get to ME2 and the colonization effort is going great guns. Not even the disappearance of whole colonies is stopping it.

Apparently, the Alliance wants nothing -- such as the looming threat of an invasion and the diversion of resources to a military build up -- to slow down the expansion effort.

Just a thought.

[GnusmasTHX]

Plot contrivance.



The Alliance has to be there while not being there. Hence the lack of Hackett, any Alliance missions, and Hackett.



They have to be there because you're either on the Council, or you ARE the Council, and either way, they HAVE to not listen, like the current Council does.

[Nightwriter]

I was a bit disappointed when I walked into Anderson's office and saw the same three hologram consoles.



I had been excited picturing a fourth console - a console humanity had earned - with Anderson behind it, right next to the others. Addressing me as part of the Council.



Yet the setup was unchanged. Anderson had no console, but stood facing the others, as before. It still felt as if the Council consisted of those three individuals with their three consoles, and we were still being addressed by them like petitioners.

[GuardianAngel470]

Nightwriter wrote...

I was a bit disappointed when I walked into Anderson's office and saw the same three hologram consoles.

I had been excited picturing a fourth console - a console humanity had earned - with Anderson behind it, right next to the others. Addressing me as part of the Council.

Yet the setup was unchanged. Anderson had no console, but stood facing the others, as before. It still felt as if the Council consisted of those three individuals with their three consoles, and we were still being addressed by them like petitioners.

That's probably on purpose.

[kidbd15]

Nightwriter wrote...

I was a bit disappointed when I walked into Anderson's office and saw the same three hologram consoles.

I had been excited picturing a fourth console - a console humanity had earned - with Anderson behind it, right next to the others. Addressing me as part of the Council.

Yet the setup was unchanged. Anderson had no console, but stood facing the others, as before. It still felt as if the Council consisted of those three individuals with their three consoles, and we were still being addressed by them like petitioners.

But it was Anderson's office.  Why would there be a fourth console in that room.  If you look at a different place, you might see 4 consoles, but I would imagine in one of the other councilor's rooms, there would also only be 3 consoles. 

[NuclearBuddha]

kidbd15 wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

I was a bit disappointed when I walked into Anderson's office and saw the same three hologram consoles.

I had been excited picturing a fourth console - a console humanity had earned - with Anderson behind it, right next to the others. Addressing me as part of the Council.

Yet the setup was unchanged. Anderson had no console, but stood facing the others, as before. It still felt as if the Council consisted of those three individuals with their three consoles, and we were still being addressed by them like petitioners.

But it was Anderson's office.  Why would there be a fourth console in that room.  If you look at a different place, you might see 4 consoles, but I would imagine in one of the other councilor's rooms, there would also only be 3 consoles. 

This.

[Nightwriter]

kidbd15 wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

I was a bit disappointed when I walked into Anderson's office and saw the same three hologram consoles.

I had been excited picturing a fourth console - a console humanity had earned - with Anderson behind it, right next to the others. Addressing me as part of the Council.

Yet the setup was unchanged. Anderson had no console, but stood facing the others, as before. It still felt as if the Council consisted of those three individuals with their three consoles, and we were still being addressed by them like petitioners.

But it was Anderson's office.  Why would there be a fourth console in that room.  If you look at a different place, you might see 4 consoles, but I would imagine in one of the other councilor's rooms, there would also only be 3 consoles. 

Then I would question the writing choice of where that meeting took place. Whatever the location, this setup was chosen. A representation of the state of things.

All they would need to change is for Anderson to maybe be standing beside the holograms, facing Shepard. To me it seemed the meeting was about the Council addressing Shepard, and Anderson is part of that Council now. His position, I thought, should've reflected that.

[Massadonious1]

I would imagine it was to make the meeting more personal.



The Turian wasn't your commanding officer. More importantly, he wasn't your friend.



I would feel insulted if a man that I called both of those things called me there only to address me via-hologram.

[Nightwriter]

Massadonious1 wrote...

I would imagine it was to make the meeting more personal.

The Turian wasn't your commanding officer. More importantly, he wasn't your friend.

I would feel insulted if a man that I called both of those things called me there only to address me via-hologram.

I believe they should all have been there, in person. I don't think that's asking too much. I would've liked to come before the panel of the four of them, face to face.
 
The hologram consoles are how the Council addresses the embassies. Well, humanity is more than just an embassy now. Why are we still being addressed like one? Do the other Councilors have three other hologram consoles in their offices for when they want to speak with their own Council?

[Thompson family]

While I understand Nightwriter's point, remember that Shepard is working with/for Cerberus now. That little fact -- that his affiliation could be interpreted as treason -- makes it problematic for the Council to meet with him at all, even by holo.

[Reiella]

Or was the Alliance simply following step with the decision made by the Council?  Protectionist denial?  Perhaps.

However, it really just a denial that maintains the status quo of the galaxy.  The story is still pretty fairy-tale, and for most parts, consider the idea that there was an attack by the geth, led by a larger, bigger, more advanced, but different than the geth AI.  It still amounts to 'attack by synthetic lifeforms'.

I dunno.  *shrug*

[Mooner911]

The council has sided with the reapers. They believe humanity is a rampant virus that has spread from earth to the galaxy.

[kaimanaMM]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

I was a bit disappointed when I walked into Anderson's office and saw the same three hologram consoles.

I had been excited picturing a fourth console - a console humanity had earned - with Anderson behind it, right next to the others. Addressing me as part of the Council.

Yet the setup was unchanged. Anderson had no console, but stood facing the others, as before. It still felt as if the Council consisted of those three individuals with their three consoles, and we were still being addressed by them like petitioners.

That's probably on purpose.

I'd have to agree, I think it was done in a way to make you feel just as you described, as a peitioner, not part of the inner circle.

Heck, they even tell Anderson they want Udina there - UDINA - who, if you chose to recommend Anderson for a seat on the Council, is Anderson's own Kelly Chambers.  That's a deliberate snub to Anderson. 

The Council is well aware of the power they possess and well aware of their precarious position when it comes to humanity, it wouldn't take much to tip that balance of power in humanity's favor.  They are just snide enough to make you want to punch them in the face, but diplomatic enough for you to understand where they're coming from.