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[Roxlimn]

VirtualAlex:



Not trolling, but I didn't think I had to spell it out. You mentioned that the skill was "far from garbage," because all you had to do was "MAN UP" to compensate. What does that even mean? It's nonsense.



You can say that it's cool and that you like it for flavor, but "MAN UP?" Really? Like men are superior by nature and the word "man" can be used as a universal verb or word for being better? I can't even begin to express how exasperated that makes me, just purely from the implications of how sexist Western culture still is.

[MyChemicalBromance]

It looks cool, but then again so do spats. (which have an even more negligible effect on armor)

[Atmosfear3]

Roxlimn wrote...

VirtualAlex:

Not trolling, but I didn't think I had to spell it out. You mentioned that the skill was "far from garbage," because all you had to do was "MAN UP" to compensate. What does that even mean? It's nonsense.

You can say that it's cool and that you like it for flavor, but "MAN UP?" Really? Like men are superior by nature and the word "man" can be used as a universal verb or word for being better? I can't even begin to express how exasperated that makes me, just purely from the implications of how sexist Western culture still is.

Not to mention he doesn't even try to convince us why its effective.  Theres no numbers or evidence to support his claim that inferno grenade is good or even usable. If I were to click this topic and see "I love inferno grenade, it RPs so well with soldier classes!", I could careless.

Modifié par Atmosfear3, 03 mars 2010 - 05:19 .

[VirtualAlex]

@Atmosfear: Well... if you guys could care so less, don't click the topic. I didn't mislead you in any way. The topic title is "Inferno Grenade. Love it" not "Inferno Grenade, empirical proof of it's awesomeness."
As far as convincing goes, I did list many reasons why this skill is good outside of the "RP realm." I will list them for you again now.
Inferno Grenade does a fair amount of damage, it's less than incinerate, but not all classes get incinerate so it is a fair substitute. It lights people on fire, it always staggers people that it hits even if they are armored or shielded, and it has a chance to panic just like other fire based skills do. It also explodes into more grenades so it has the widest area of effect of any skill in the game. Although it is a little random, it can do very substantial damage if multiple fragments hit the same enemy. It is NOT hard to aim, and actually often times it does much more damage if you aim it on the ground in front of the target and not actually hit the target, a freedom you wouldn't have it it auto-aimed like a blast type spell.
Is it better than Reave? Nope. Is it garbage? Definitely not.

@Roxlimn: "MAN UP" is a figure of speech. Not a banner of the patriarchal evolution. Also what you are doing is exactly trolling. Derailing a thread about inferno grenade to talk about the sexism of western culture? I didn't mean to hurt your feelings please forgive me.

Modifié par VirtualAlex, 03 mars 2010 - 06:24 .

[VirtualAlex]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

VirtualAlex wrote...
I am not sure what you guys are talking about with the range of the grenade. It can go as far as you need you just need to aim higher and arc it correctly. It takes skill to throw the grenade, which is what makes it cool.

Can you make a video where you can throw it 30-50ft and hit a target crouched behind a crate?

I am an xbox player and I don't have the set up to make videos. Otherwise I would me making them all the time. Also I have no idea what you can 30-50 feet in this game however on Grunt's recruitment mission, when you are walking throw that one room of bridge and being attacked by 5-6 korgan I threw a grenade from the second platform all the way to where the krogans spawn. Also on archangels recruitment, I could throw grenades from Garrus's perch on the second floor into the bridge and hit people. I don't know if thats 50 feet but it's as far as I have ever needed to throw something.

I mean this is something you can easily try for yourself. I understand if you tried grenade once and it didn't do what you wanted you just switched to something else. But now since I am here in support of the grenade, I encourage you to take it out for another spin. Try aiming it higher and higher and see how far it goes. You will be surprised. Obviously the further you throw it the harder it will be to hit the target. But I never said it was an easy skill to use. Just awesome.

[VirtualAlex]

Like I said I really have no understanding of how many feet anything is in this game. But I did use inferno grenade quite a bit on that mission. Although I never really threw it at the Suns, I was too busy overloading and cryo/throwing them all over the place.

On the korgans it works really well Especially that last bit when you are fighting Jedora or whatever. The Krogans come up the ramp, I toss a nade at their feet and they stagger back down and take considerable damage.

Modifié par VirtualAlex, 03 mars 2010 - 09:08 .

[SmilingMirror]

VirtualAlex wrote...

@Atmosfear: Well... if you guys could care so less, don't click the topic. I didn't mislead you in any way. The topic title is "Inferno Grenade. Love it" not "Inferno Grenade, empirical proof of it's awesomeness."
As far as convincing goes, I did list many reasons why this skill is good outside of the "RP realm." I will list them for you again now.
Inferno Grenade does a fair amount of damage, it's less than incinerate, but not all classes get incinerate so it is a fair substitute. It lights people on fire, it always staggers people that it hits even if they are armored or shielded, and it has a chance to panic just like other fire based skills do. It also explodes into more grenades so it has the widest area of effect of any skill in the game. Although it is a little random, it can do very substantial damage if multiple fragments hit the same enemy. It is NOT hard to aim, and actually often times it does much more damage if you aim it on the ground in front of the target and not actually hit the target, a freedom you wouldn't have it it auto-aimed like a blast type spell.
Is it better than Reave? Nope. Is it garbage? Definitely not.

@Roxlimn: "MAN UP" is a figure of speech. Not a banner of the patriarchal evolution. Also what you are doing is exactly trolling. Derailing a thread about inferno grenade to talk about the sexism of western culture? I didn't mean to hurt your feelings please forgive me.

I agree, its a good starting talent. I just wish combat talents weren't crap late game.

[cxensign]

VirtualAlex wrote...

@Roxlimn: "MAN UP" is a figure of speech. Not a banner of the patriarchal evolution. Also what you are doing is exactly trolling. Derailing a thread about inferno grenade to talk about the sexism of western culture? I didn't mean to hurt your feelings please forgive me.

Funny, I never thought the thread had rails to begin with.  Trolling in pointless threads is fair game.

[VirtualAlex]

Oh goody, yet another troll.

[mybudgee]

I cannot get down with the inferno. I duuno why but i guess upgrade it & more practice. Maybe if I tossed a few down some merc throats, I could appreciate it. It just seems to be all fluff, not much results.

[Roxlimn]

VirtualAlex:



Don't get sidetracked by incidental topics. Let's focus on how nonsensical it is to support how awesome Inferno Grenade is by "manning up," whatever the hell that means.

[baller7345]

Roxlimn wrote...

VirtualAlex:

Don't get sidetracked by incidental topics. Let's focus on how nonsensical it is to support how awesome Inferno Grenade is by "manning up," whatever the hell that means.

Its a figure of speech...english has quite a few of them.  Honestly why are you giving him such a hard time, he never said that he thought it was the best power in the game he simply stated that he enjoys using it.  If he thinks its awesome then more power to him its not like he is trying to argue that it is better than say warp or incinerate he is simply trying to explain the reasons he loves it.
 

Modifié par baller7345, 04 mars 2010 - 05:49 .

[Roxlimn]

baller7345:



I made a single post illustrating how little sense he was making in one of his comments. He CHOSE to belabor the point and specifically challenged me to explain exactly what it was that I meant by calling my commentary a trolling post.



I don't believe that I'm being especially hard on him - at least not more than he's asking for, anyway.

[VirtualAlex]

Roxlimn wrote...

baller7345:

I made a single post illustrating how little sense he was making in one of his comments. He CHOSE to belabor the point and specifically challenged me to explain exactly what it was that I meant by calling my commentary a trolling post.

I don't believe that I'm being especially hard on him - at least not more than he's asking for, anyway.

Here is the urban dictionary definition of the figure of speech "Man up." If you want further analysis, it stems from our social traditions of men doing big manly things like carrying large objects, fighting each other for chicks, exploring dangerous forests and caves in order to find and kill bears and lions to bring home to our family. Generally having a tough life and working hard to make things work. So when I say "Man up" it means imagine a man 400-500 years ago and all of the things he had to go through just to get food on the table, they certainly wouldn't be complaining about things like "Boohoohoo inferno grenade doesn't even do very much damage, and it doesn't even go very far." they would just throw it harder. However not I, or anyone else in this thread other than you gave it that much thought. GET OVER IT. Anyway, I will be ignoring your troll posts from now on. Which seems to be a trend on these boards.

Troll posts aside. I originally thought you needed to hit the enemy with inferno grenade directly to stagger them. It turns out this isn't the case. Even if an enemy gets hit by a fragment they will still stagger! Which makes it even more useful as it makes it less necessary to aim it carefully.

Does incinerate stagger foes ever?

Modifié par VirtualAlex, 04 mars 2010 - 07:24 .

[Roxlimn]

Yes, it does.

Also, a man who's hard up takes the most efficient tools at his disposal, not the prettiest just because he likes how it looks. I don't see anything brave or daring about using an underpowered option just because it looks prettier. Sounds like something a girl would do, to be honest.

Not that I really understand why it is that men are assumed to be mentally stronger, braver, or more daring than women.

Modifié par Roxlimn, 04 mars 2010 - 08:40 .

[VirtualAlex]

Roxlimn wrote...
Also, a man who's hard up takes the most efficient tools at his disposal, not the prettiest just because he likes how it looks. I don't see anything brave or daring about using an underpowered option just because it looks prettier. Sounds like something a girl would do, to be honest.

Haha well you got me here! It was a totally inappropriate figure of speech. Not only will  never use it again, I will think very carefully before using any other easily misunderstood figures of speech in the future. Thank you for helping to make me a better person. Although you are still taking it too literally. I am not saying you are brave or daring. I am just saying stop whining that it's a little harder to aim then the auto-aim spells in the game. But I am SOOOO done talking about it.

I don't know what Inferno Grenade is underpowered to other than Reave. I pretty much consider reave cheating so I never think about it. Other than that the only other power comparable to Grenade is Shield Drain and I don't think this is inferior to that as a bonus skill. It's comparable to incinerate and is probably worse, but as I said before, not all classes have access to that skill.

Not that I really understand why it is that men are assumed to be mentally stronger, braver, or more daring than women.

Because it's true ask any man. BOOOOOYAAAAAAA!

[Roxlimn]

Touche.



I think Incinerate is really the power most akin to Inferno Grenade, although the Grenade is marginally better at the lower ranks for area application.



It's got a really nice flavor to it though. So what if it misses? It's not like you NEED a bonus power to begin with. Heck, any points up wards of what you get at level 15 is kinda superfluous, even at Insanity. Might as well put it towards something RP-centric, right?

[Bucky_McLachlan]

You guys are all really stupid. Seriously guys Inferno Grenade is a bad choice for any Shep, but combined with his 50% weapon dmg upgrade it makes Zaeed one of the best squad mates to take with you on the Reaper IFF mission.