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[Nozybidaj]

jlb524 wrote...

I don't 'hate' ME2 but I find it disappointing. I can't muster enough enthusiasm to finish a second playthrough.

Agreed, its not hate, disappointment is a much better term. 

I can still go back today and play ME1 after two years (I actually just started a new game recently) but I don't think I could get through a new ME2 game if you paid me.

[Onyx Jaguar]

You must muster you taint. I mean master your taint. I mean muster strength for playthroughssssss

[jlb524]

Nozybidaj wrote...

I can still go back today and play ME1 after two years (I actually just started a new game recently) but I don't think I could get through a new ME2 game if you paid me.

Maybe that's what I need...

someone pay my $100 and I'll finish my second ME2 playthrough!!!

[ChampDude]

SimonTheFrog wrote...

ChampDude wrote...

Shouldn't really matter if a game gets hate. This is the internet and if there is any place that finds ways to hate things it is here. The majority of people who played the game loved it, and it is just a very vocal minority that jumps on every little detail. Hell, even most of the people that complain on the forums about the game are only doing so because they want ME3 to benefit from the mistakes ME2 made. Ultimately, complaints make games better and since ME2 was such an astounding achievement, it won't take Bioware much to fix the problems to make ME3 the finest ending to a trilogy that video games has ever seen. It is constructive criticism and it is always welcome

Hmm... I agree with writing in forums about stuff that you didn't like. But that's something completely different from coming here unloading ship loads of hate for minor issues. 

Certainly, the extranet is always full of haters and it's not really a measure of quality how many haters complain about your product. I still don't think its a good thing. Isn't there any way to deal with your hate than bad mouthing about the work of other people? Like sports? Or ms-sex? Or ikebana?

Well, I go on forums besides Bioware forums that are also gaming related. The Bioware forums obviously muster the most hatred and this is not surprising. The other gaming websites I go on refer to every game while the Bioware forums are only about specific games (in this case Mass Effect 2). It actually makes perfect sense that this place is fuelled with the most hate because chances are, if people were passionate enough about Mass Effect that they made an account here just to talk about a single game, obviously the are going to be very focal about their feelings of it. While the masses who play all types of games and just see Mass Effect as another game (albeit a great one), people here talk about it ALL the time for EVERY reason imaginable. Sure haters are annoying and always make you wonder why they aren't doing more productive things with their time, but usually they hate so that improvements can be made. The pure haters on the other hand should frankly just be ignored because if you bought the game and didn't like it, that's fine, but don't come to forums dedicated to talking about a game and just spew hatred as nobody wants to hear it and it never leads anywhere productive. There is a difference between criticism and insults and I believe the line is pretty clear. Anyone who crosses the line should just be ignored

[Nozybidaj]

jlb524 wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

I can still go back today and play ME1 after two years (I actually just started a new game recently) but I don't think I could get through a new ME2 game if you paid me.

Maybe that's what I need...

someone pay my $100 and I'll finish my second ME2 playthrough!!!

Nah, just go back and play ME1 again, it'll make it all better.  Then just hope we can import an ME1 save into ME3.  Hell, if we had known that ahead of time I could have saved $60 on ME2.

[nteger]

Why do so many look down on the people who want to make ME 3 better than ME 2? If we were like you and said the game was just fine then ME 3 would be exactly the same. It would be really fun, but it wouldn't be as fun as it should be.

[Kenrae]

As much as I loved ME1 I'm loving ME2 even more. I played three playthroughs on ME1 and I plan on continuing all of them in ME2 (currently on the second). What I don't see me doing is playing ME2 more than ME1, because playing it with a character that hasn't gone through the first part seems lame to me, I know I wouldn't like it so much. Since I love ME1 that won't be a problem, once I finish these three characters I'll start new ones from ME1.

[jlb524]

Nozybidaj wrote...

Nah, just go back and play ME1 again, it'll make it all better.  Then just hope we can import an ME1 save into ME3.  Hell, if we had known that ahead of time I could have saved $60 on ME2.

I seriously hope that's an option.  They can make a 'canon' ME2 that imports predetermined results for ME2. 

[R-F]

the only part of the game i didn't like was the lack of real customization. i really hated having my loot taken away. also ammo? wth. i didn't mind the overheating weapons because there were ways around that, there is no real way around running out of ammo. and especially playing on insanity its not fair to run out of sniper ammo.

[Nozybidaj]

jlb524 wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

Nah, just go back and play ME1 again, it'll make it all better.  Then just hope we can import an ME1 save into ME3.  Hell, if we had known that ahead of time I could have saved $60 on ME2.

I seriously hope that's an option.  They can make a 'canon' ME2 that imports predetermined results for ME2. 

Agreed, not even half my ME1 characters that I made have ever even seen ME2, more or less finished it.  I too hope we'll be able to go straight from ME1 to ME3.

[Weiser_Cain]

It was only after the third game that I realized I hate the intro, linear story, and the fact that so much went into exclusive dlc that I don't have access to. Thus, HATRED.

[RighteousRage]

Seneva wrote...

Bioware makes amazing stories. I can't think of many games who are so rich in story and background.
Sadly the replay value of Bioware games is getting worse and worse.

I'm ready for Me3 already.

I dunno about this, besides the fact that they're utterly ignoring multiplayer now, but I could hardly even get through their first big RPGs without contracting a terminal illness so in my opinion their games have been improving.

[Srau]

Godeshus wrote...
Err, your list prety much sums up all aspects of the game, except maybe graphics and sound. Why on earth would you play a game 10 times with a list of beefs you've been dragging behind you all along? Are you masochist?

-godeshus

I never said i dislike those things, i said i felt it was wrong to have shortened them.
This doesn't remove anything to the fact they were absolutly great at the begining, they are just ... less great.
This is no "hate" i feel, at most it is disappointement.
I admit i loved so much ME1 that i had very high, too high maybe, expectations for the 2nd.
And if i am doing so many playthrough it is because i have that many ME1 save game : i am doing most classes, paragon/renegade, all levels of difficulty and of course play with different outcomes for quests.
What can i say, i am a perfectionist or like i call other players like me, a "completionist".

And since you pointed it, i didn't talk of the sound .... where's Faunts' song BW ? Dammit they were great, why didn't you use another one of their song ?!?

[SurfaceBeneath]

Seneva wrote...

Bioware makes amazing stories. I can't think of many games who are so rich in story and background.
Sadly the replay value of Bioware games is getting worse and worse.

I'm ready for Me3 already.

Wow disagree. Dragon Age and Mass Effect 2 were the most replayable games Bioware's ever done.

I've replayed Mass Effect 2 more times at this point than I have any game released in the last 10 years. I can guarantee beyond a shadow of a doubt that by the time ME3 comes out, I will have replayed ME2 more than any game I own, even games like Baldur's Gate 2 and Planescape: Torment which I've played more than half a dozen times each.

The secret? Mass Effect 2 not only has a killer story filled with really intricate details that really make you wonder how they will resolve the story in 3, but combat is a joy to play and doesn't get old, especially when played on Insanity.

[Terraneaux]

I'm complaining because I see problems, but I'm also emotionally invested in the series and in Bioware, so I say things in the hopes that someone will notice and incorporate some of the changes into ME3. At this point I'm feeling a bit dim on those prospects, as even the squad ammo glitch probably isn't going to be fixed. There's a lot of people on these forums who just won't admit any flaws about ME3, presumably because they spent money on it like me, but unlike me are of the idea that if they say that something they spent money on was not perfect it makes them look bad.

[Kenrae]

Terraneaux wrote...

I'm complaining because I see problems, but I'm also emotionally invested in the series and in Bioware, so I say things in the hopes that someone will notice and incorporate some of the changes into ME3. At this point I'm feeling a bit dim on those prospects, as even the squad ammo glitch probably isn't going to be fixed. There's a lot of people on these forums who just won't admit any flaws about ME3, presumably because they spent money on it like me, but unlike me are of the idea that if they say that something they spent money on was not perfect it makes them look bad.

Or, you know, maybe some people just love the game a lot and have fun with it.
Geez, it's called different tastes.

[ChampDude]

Terraneaux wrote...

I'm complaining because I see problems, but I'm also emotionally invested in the series and in Bioware, so I say things in the hopes that someone will notice and incorporate some of the changes into ME3. At this point I'm feeling a bit dim on those prospects, as even the squad ammo glitch probably isn't going to be fixed. There's a lot of people on these forums who just won't admit any flaws about ME3, presumably because they spent money on it like me, but unlike me are of the idea that if they say that something they spent money on was not perfect it makes them look bad.

Yeah, as much as the Bioware forums make it seem like the fan reaction to ME2 was quite poor, this apparent distaste for ME2 is very isolated and definitely a minority. Most people actually love the game and despite its flaws (which I can recognize despite it being one of my favourite games this gen), it overcomes them. Every game has flaws, but that doesn't mean that the game is of poor quality because of it. Maybe you were just hyping ME2 into something that no game could ever accomplish?

[DarthCaine]

It's just a vocal minority

[Sigma Tauri]

Modifié par monkeycamoran, 13 octobre 2010 - 03:50 .

[jasonontko]

OP is right, We have sinned. We forsaken the one true RPG developer with our petty game improvement ideas.

[aweadam]

It's just that the haters are louder, and make more noise. Still most people play the game and don't post here.

[Shanra]

Pretty much what some others have said. People complain because they can. If their is something wrong, they think their opinion is more important than everyone elses and thus need to voice it.



If the game is good, most people just enjoy it, and you don't hear anything out of many of them. They are happy and content and have no reason to complain

[GnusmasTHX]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Half-Life was an endless bundle of joy

Indeed.

[Nozybidaj]

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

Seneva wrote...

Bioware makes amazing stories. I can't think of many games who are so rich in story and background.
Sadly the replay value of Bioware games is getting worse and worse.

I'm ready for Me3 already.

Wow disagree. Dragon Age and Mass Effect 2 were the most replayable games Bioware's ever done.

I've replayed Mass Effect 2 more times at this point than I have any game released in the last 10 years. I can guarantee beyond a shadow of a doubt that by the time ME3 comes out, I will have replayed ME2 more than any game I own, even games like Baldur's Gate 2 and Planescape: Torment which I've played more than half a dozen times each.

The secret? Mass Effect 2 not only has a killer story filled with really intricate details that really make you wonder how they will resolve the story in 3, but combat is a joy to play and doesn't get old, especially when played on Insanity.

/shrug  It all comes down to personal preference.  I've played ME2 I think 3 times and that is pretty much it for me.  I find the story lacking and without any emotional attachment to the characters all it amounts to is a half done shooter.  I never noticed before how boring a BW game is without solid characters in it.

ME1 I have played dozens of times though, and still find I enjoy playing it (just started a new game).  I agree with you about Dragon Age, it certainly has plenty of replay value.  So, I sorta agree with Seneva.  ME2 was certainly a let down for me but I don't know if I'd call it a trend with BW just yet.

In the end one man's trash is another man's treasure.

[Amethyst Deceiver]

Godeshus wrote...

everyone's cracked out, freaking for that ultimate high.
 

MOAR