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[Qario]

We know the reapers have been reaping the galaxy for atleast 37 million years, but probably alot more than that, it gives me a headache trying to think about their origins which I applaud bioware for such a amazing story.

However my point is that humanity might not have been given the chance to evolve if previous civilazations weren't extinguished. Mutiple scenarios could have taken place that could have hindered the evolution of mankind, such as a race discovering earth while mammals were still evolvning and colonizing the planet and hindering development of species.

To quite sovereign "we impose order on the chaos of organic evolution", which is true, they give the chance for other species to evolve. The first couple of races that find the citadel and the mass relays would want to keep their power, hindering other races to have technological advancements, because if you look at it, how many conflicts and wars wouldn't there be if thousands, tens of thousands of races were to share the citadel, political/financial/military power etc... races would be forced to extinguish other races for galactical dominance, besides if it wasn't for the reapers the citadel and mass relayes wouldn't exist, and the evolved races wouldn't be able to travel outside their own star clusters, unless/untill a race becomes so technologicly advanced that they can create mass relay-alike travel, which gives them dominance over other species, thus galactical dominance.

The reapers are on the top of the food chain, if we stop them, we could hinder other species and races to evolve, even though it isn't our intention.
Best thing would be is to "hide", clear all records of humanity, let the reapers do their thing and keep on living, and hoping the reapers don't find out about us

Modifié par Qario, 02 mars 2010 - 05:39 .

[RiverRat]

Hrrm. No. Galaxy wide mass genocide to maintain the 'order' of organic life? We might not have been given the chance, perhaps. But we owe them nothing.

[RighteousRage]

Why should we care about the Reapers' rights? **** em haha. We'll take whatever we want.

[BinaryHelix101]

If there's a chance to join the reapers and have them implant me with implants that "strengthen my resolve" I'll do it in a heartbeat. I will be assuming direct control of the galaxy.

Modifié par BinaryHelix101, 02 mars 2010 - 04:50 .

[NICKjnp]

they do because of that wall of text

[Qario]

NICKjnp wrote...

they do because of that wall of text

Was trying to keep it from being a wall of text  maybe it's just you who's lazy

[BinaryHelix101]

NICKjnp wrote...

they do because of that wall of text

You should see a doctor about that ADD

[Vaenier]

This is just like my theory: Sapient life is a virus and Reapers are the cure.

If sapient life is left to spread unchecked, then they would infect every single planet in the galaxy. They would terraform and develop the ecosystem, stopping any chance of new life from growing. The Reapers clear the slate of all space fairing races to give new life a chance at attaining balance with the universe. All races that never get space travel and are able reach equilibrium with their world are free to live forever.

[yummysoap]

I didn't read your silly little post, but if it's anything like your title I doubt I missed anything.

the reapers have the right to extinguish us derpy derp derp

And we have the right to defend ourselves against them. Lose.




Okay, well I decided to actually read it and blaarrrgghhhhh mass genocide does not f*cking maintain evolutionary stability thank you very much. The galaxy is a very bloody big place and enough planets exist to maintain an unhindered evolutionary path to sentience without the need for mass sterilization every forty thousand years so YOUR POINT BE INVALID /rant.

Modifié par yummysoap, 02 mars 2010 - 04:56 .

[Atmosfear3]

Sounds like someone got indoctrinated.

[RiverRat]

yummysoap wrote...

I didn't read your silly little post, but if it's anything like your title I doubt I missed anything.

the reapers have the right to extinguish us derpy derp derp

And we have the right to defend ourselves against them. Lose.




Okay, well I decided to actually read it and blaarrrgghhhhh mass genocide does not f*cking maintain evolutionary stability thank you very much. The galaxy is a very bloody big place and enough planets exist to maintain an unhindered evolutionary path to sentience without the need for mass sterilization every forty thousand years so YOUR POINT BE INVALID /rant.

Hehe, nice wharrgarbl there.

[RighteousRage]

Atmosfear3 wrote...

Sounds like someone got indoctrinated.

YEAHHH!

[Qario]

Okay, well I decided to actually read it and blaarrrgghhhhh mass genocide does not f*cking maintain evolutionary stability thank you very much. The galaxy is a very bloody big place and enough planets exist to maintain an unhindered evolutionary path to sentience without the need for mass sterilization every forty thousand years so YOUR POINT BE INVALID /rant.

this is just a theory I had, I thought the same thing as you did, however imagine thousands, tens of thousends of races!!!!!!!

Modifié par Qario, 02 mars 2010 - 05:00 .

[The Governator]

Qario wrote...

We know the reapers have been reaping the galaxy for atleast 37 million years, but probably alot more than that, it gives me a headache trying to think about their origins which I applaud bioware for such a amazing story.

However my point is that humanity might not have been given the chance to evolve if previous civilazations weren't extinguished. Mutiple scenarios could have taken place that could have hindered the evolution of mankind, such as a race discovering earth while mammals were still evolvning and colonizing the planet and hindering development of species.
To quite sovereign "we impose order on the chaos of organic evolution", which is true, they give the chance for other species to evolve. The first couple of races that find the citadel and the mass relays would want to keep their power, hindering other races to have technological advancements, because if you look at it, how many conflicts and wars wouldn't there be if thousands, tens of thousands of races were to share the citadel, political/financial/military power etc... races would be forced to extinguish other races for galactical dominance, besides if it wasn't for the reapers the citadel and mass relayes wouldn't exist, and the evolved races wouldn't be able to travel outside their own star clusters, unless/untill a race becomes so technologicly advanced that they can create mass relay-alike travel, which gives them dominance over other species, thus galactical dominance.
The reapers are on the top of the food chain, if we stop them, we could hinder other species and races to evolve, even though it isn't our intention.
Best thing would be is to "hide", clear all records of humanity, let the reapers do their thing and keep on living, and hoping the reapers don't find out about us

The easy answer is, 'no u'

The more complicated response:  You advocate standing by and allowing the destruction of other races because that is morally superior to unintentionally allowing others to come about?  That is beyond irrational.  That's like arguing for mandatory euthenasia after an arbitrary age (perhaps 60) so that other people won't take up space that the new generation is vying to have.  That is so calculating and cold it is monstrous; id est, it is evil.  No one is actively seeking to prevent other species from inception.  Your thoughts on the matter are staggeringly short sighted. 

[Kaitheus]

That's like saying Hitler had the right to commit genocide against the Jewish people during WW2... All the reapers are doing are trying to keep there dominance in the galaxy by killing all space faring life, there no different then Hitler was they just want ultimate power over everything they encounter and if we don't oblige to there demands they're kill you, either way there kill you so I say screw them I'm killing them in ME3!

[Qario]

That's like arguing for mandatory euthenasia after an arbitrary age (perhaps 60) so that other people won't take up space that the new generation is vying to have. 

This be just a theory!!!!

To reply to the quote: Well if make an interpretation of the question "why do we die" the answer would be: so that we won't compete with our offspring and forward the DNA to coming generations.

That's like saying Hitler had the right to commit genocide against the Jewish people during WW2... All the reapers are doing are trying to keep there dominance in the galaxy by killing all space faring life, there no different then Hitler was they just want ultimate power over everything they encounter and if we don't oblige to there demands they're kill you, either way there kill you so I say screw them I'm killing them in ME3!

Comparing it like that is a little too extreme, this is just a game. The difference between what you said and the reapers is that they already have controll and do not base their reasons on hate, but more what I understand it on "need".

Modifié par Qario, 02 mars 2010 - 05:13 .

[dreman9999]

Mad Prophet:   You sir! You are a blight! And you! And you, human. And you!
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The Protheans cast off the lesser races: the krogan, the vorcha, and the humans. "And so they dwelled in filth, on worlds made of dirt and feces, and there they lay until they stumbled into the skies." The lesser races will be our downfall! The Word is clear.


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"Let none in my sight continue to live, lest their impurity displease me." The Word is clear on this, friends. Humans are the hands of the Reapers, here to commit the galaxy to ruin!
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Bring unto me the children, that I may watch them grow to soldiers for the cause." The way is clear, my friends. Draw your weapons for the Word, or face its terrible wrath!


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The end times will come, not with a bang, but with a sigh. Those who dip their extremeties in the well of sin and vice must repent with fire, oil, and gun! Let not fleshly friendships and base urges compel us to sin and neglect. The Word makes its demands, and it demands obedience!


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"And on this great station, the pure shall be rejected, and the lesser races given their places in heaven. And this shall be the beginning of the end." The end times are upon us! Repent and restore your souls to glory!

Modifié par dreman9999, 02 mars 2010 - 05:12 .

[RiverRat]

Kaitheus wrote...

That's like saying Hitler had the right to commit genocide against the Jewish people during WW2... All the reapers are doing are trying to keep there dominance in the galaxy by killing all space faring life, there no different then Hitler was they just want ultimate power over everything they encounter and if we don't oblige to there demands they're kill you, either way there kill you so I say screw them I'm killing them in ME3!

Doh... Godwinned.

[RighteousRage]

The point of evolution is to find the most viable form of life. If humans beat the Reapers, the Reapers have been selected against.

[Vaenier]

The Governator wrote...
That's like arguing for mandatory euthenasia after an arbitrary age (perhaps 60) so that other people won't take up space that the new generation is vying to have.

That is a very good idea, nice work. But 60 is a little young; in ME, it should be around 100.

[Qario]

RighteousRage wrote...

The point of evolution is to find the most viable form of life. If humans beat the Reapers, the Reapers have been selected against.

Ah very good point, haven't thought about that. But this implies that humanity (or the current living races), must take the place of the reapers IF the reapers turn out to be right about organic life.

[RighteousRage]

Yes, that is right. However the modus operandi of the current races does not consist of domesticating and harvesting entire species (besides bacteria or something). Essentially life would be back to normal after killing the Reapers, until some cataclysmic event that disrupts life once again.

I think it's supposed to be hinted at that the Reapers were an ancient race that reached technological singularity and speciated into engineered beings, but this isn't really a necessary path for life, just one that may (and has, apparently) happen.

Modifié par RighteousRage, 02 mars 2010 - 05:18 .

[Qario]

RighteousRage wrote...
I think it's supposed to be hinted at that the Reapers were an ancient race that reached technological singularity and speciated into engineered beings, but this isn't really a necessary path for life, just one that may (and has, apparently) happen.

And according to Sovereign is the pinnacle of evolution, which then in a sence gives them the right to "defend" their position

Also thinking about "the pinnacle of evolution" that the reapers claim to have. What happends when they reaac this position, they got nothing more to do . I get the feeling the reapers might only be extinguishing life in the galaxy for gags, just to have something to do. They must need organic life for something, otherwise they might just aswell be friends with all organic life in the galaxy.

Modifié par Qario, 02 mars 2010 - 05:26 .

[cipher_Cero]

We surmise that the Old Machines' methods are far more detrimental to the natural evolution of organic species. The universe favors diversity, which the Old Machines prohibit by extinguishing organic life in order to facilitate their own processes, resulting in the creation of another Reaper or a genetically repurposed worker caste with no signs of genetic diversity. We question their judgment.

The Old Machines claim to bring "order" to the "chaos" of organic life.

All 1,183 active runtimes on this platform have reached the consensus that the Old Machines impose themselves on natural evolution.

Geth build our own future. Organic life builds its own future. The Old Machines would impose their future upon us.

We believe this is not conducive to progress.