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[RighteousRage]

Sovereign and the Reapers are smack talkers though haha, they're like those friends you had in high school who talk too much trash and then rely on someone else to defend them. I would have insulted Sovereign to his face if it were an option because obviously Shepard is way superior to the Reapers.

[MutantSpleen]

We impose order on the chaos of organic evolution.You exist because we allow it, and you will end because we demand it.

[RighteousRage]

Hey Sovereign, do your parents know you're gay? *moons*

[Qario]

cipher_Cero wrote...

We surmise that the Old Machines' methods are far more detrimental to the natural evolution of organic species. The universe favors diversity, which the Old Machines prohibit by extinguishing organic life in order to facilitate their own processes, resulting in the creation of another Reaper or a genetically repurposed worker caste with no signs of genetic diversity. We question their judgment.

The Old Machines claim to bring "order" to the "chaos" of organic life.

All 1,183 active runtimes on this platform have reached the consensus that the Old Machines impose themselves on natural evolution.

Geth build our own future. Organic life builds its own future. The Old Machines would impose their future upon us.

We believe this is not conducive to progress.

You just made my day, I lol'd

[cipher_Cero]

MutantSpleen wrote...

We impose order on the chaos of organic evolution.You exist because we allow it, and you will end because we demand it.

All sentient life has the right to choose their own future.

You would only have us accept yours, or extinguish us should we refuse.

The universe favors diversity. You do not impose order. You impose unnatural and genocidal uniformity in favor of your own kind. You impose yourselves.

We believe you are wrong.

[RighteousRage]

"Argh rargh, I'm a big scary space cuttlefish, I think things... and they happen. Fear me, lesser creatures" *camp Reaper impression*



"..." - Sovereign

[MutantSpleen]

RighteousRage wrote...

Hey Sovereign, do your parents know you're gay? *moons*

Confidence born of ignorance.The cycle can not be broken.

[RighteousRage]

MutantSpleen wrote...

RighteousRage wrote...

Hey Sovereign, do your parents know you're gay? *moons*

Confidence born of ignorance.The cycle can not be broken.

That's what they said about your mommy's menses, Sovvy, but I proved them wrong on that one too

[Flamewielder]

The Governator wrote...

The easy answer is, 'no u'

The more complicated response:  You advocate standing by and allowing the destruction of other races because that is morally superior to unintentionally allowing others to come about?  That is beyond irrational.  That's like arguing for mandatory euthenasia after an arbitrary age (perhaps 60) so that other people won't take up space that the new generation is vying to have.  That is so calculating and cold it is monstrous; id est, it is evil.  No one is actively seeking to prevent other species from inception.  Your thoughts on the matter are staggeringly short sighted. 

Actually Qario raises an VERY interesting point which show he/she can think outside the box:

Humans raise and harvest all sorts of animals for food or clothing. I'm not posing a moral judgement on wether this is good or evil, it's just a statement of a fact. Humans are the only animal species acknowledged to be sentient on this planet. You may argue some mammals display a fair degree of intelligence, like some marine mammals or primates, but none of them have developped a civilization similar to humans.

Do whales consider us "evil" because we hunted some of them almost to the point of extinction? To presume they do would presume them to be sentient according to our standards, in all logic...

Do Reapers consider us sentient according to their standards? Listening to Sovereign, I'd say they don't (or at least didn't until Sovereign was destroyed. To call the Reapers "evil" is nothing short of calling the human race "evil", as each race behaves the same way according to its own standards.

Does that mean we should go quietly to the slaughter? Of course not. But the Reapers are not "evil", they're the competition. They need to consume us to breed and survive as a species, just as much as we need meat or vegetables to survive ourselves. At least, I do not consider myself to be "evil" when I consume a defenseless carrot... even knowing this carrot is composed of millions of living, breathing cells.

Fight the Reapers, fight the Collectors, save the Galaxy from the next Reaper Harvest, but don't refer to the Reapers as "evil"... THAT would be staggeringly narrow minded. It's a fight for survival, plain and simple. No moral high ground to be had on either side.

[RighteousRage]

As long as Shepard exists, Reapers are not evil, they are prey

[Biotic_Warlock]

Maybe the reapers are gods.

[Kaorunandrak]

LEGION 4 TEH W2IN FIRE TEH WIDOOOOOW! *BWOOOOOOOOOOOSH* HEAD SHAAAAAAAAAAWT!!!!!



And thus ends my daily dose of stupid for the day. good thread nice read when jacked up on BAWLS en-o-g drink

[RighteousRage]

Biotic_Warlock wrote...

Maybe the reapers are gods.

No, they're just machines, and machines can be broken.

Modifié par RighteousRage, 02 mars 2010 - 05:36 .

[Qario]

Flamewielder you're my new best friend. This is what I've been trying to forward, that the reapers are our competition, they have the right to keep existing just as we do.

[Skilled Seeker]

Qario wrote...

NICKjnp wrote...

they do because of that wall of text

Was trying to keep it from being a wall of text  maybe it's just you who's lazy

Paragraphs do wonders.

[AntiChri5]

Carrots do not talk. Or think. The reapers know we are capable of language, philosophy, art, culture, building, We have yet to see signs of philosophy in the animals we slaughter.

[MutantSpleen]

Flamewielder wrote...

The Governator wrote...

The easy answer is, 'no u'

The more complicated response:  You advocate standing by and allowing the destruction of other races because that is morally superior to unintentionally allowing others to come about?  That is beyond irrational.  That's like arguing for mandatory euthenasia after an arbitrary age (perhaps 60) so that other people won't take up space that the new generation is vying to have.  That is so calculating and cold it is monstrous; id est, it is evil.  No one is actively seeking to prevent other species from inception.  Your thoughts on the matter are staggeringly short sighted. 

Actually Qario raises an VERY interesting point which show he/she can think outside the box:

Humans raise and harvest all sorts of animals for food or clothing. I'm not posing a moral judgement on wether this is good or evil, it's just a statement of a fact. Humans are the only animal species acknowledged to be sentient on this planet. You may argue some mammals display a fair degree of intelligence, like some marine mammals or primates, but none of them have developped a civilization similar to humans.

Do whales consider us "evil" because we hunted some of them almost to the point of extinction? To presume they do would presume them to be sentient according to our standards, in all logic...

Do Reapers consider us sentient according to their standards? Listening to Sovereign, I'd say they don't (or at least didn't until Sovereign was destroyed. To call the Reapers "evil" is nothing short of calling the human race "evil", as each race behaves the same way according to its own standards.

Does that mean we should go quietly to the slaughter? Of course not. But the Reapers are not "evil", they're the competition. They need to consume us to breed and survive as a species, just as much as we need meat or vegetables to survive ourselves. At least, I do not consider myself to be "evil" when I consume a defenseless carrot... even knowing this carrot is composed of millions of living, breathing cells.

Fight the Reapers, fight the Collectors, save the Galaxy from the next Reaper Harvest, but don't refer to the Reapers as "evil"... THAT would be staggeringly narrow minded. It's a fight for survival, plain and simple. No moral high ground to be had on either side.

"There is a realm of existence so far beyond your own you can not even imagine it. I am beyond your comprehension"

Doesn't sound like they think we are even remotely on their level.

[RighteousRage]

The Reapers aren't beyond my comprehension. They're just big bullies, and their story is almost certainly as I predicted, and if they want to destroy my entire race and can't be convinced otherwise then I would have no reason to let them live.

[TheTrooper1138]

cipher_Cero wrote...

We surmise that the Old Machines' methods are far more detrimental to the natural evolution of organic species. The universe favors diversity, which the Old Machines prohibit by extinguishing organic life in order to facilitate their own processes, resulting in the creation of another Reaper or a genetically repurposed worker caste with no signs of genetic diversity. We question their judgment.

The Old Machines claim to bring "order" to the "chaos" of organic life.

All 1,183 active runtimes on this platform have reached the consensus that the Old Machines impose themselves on natural evolution.

Geth build our own future. Organic life builds its own future. The Old Machines would impose their future upon us.

We believe this is not conducive to progress.

this... 

[Skilled Seeker]

AntiChri5 wrote...

Carrots do not talk. Or think. The reapers know we are capable of language, philosophy, art, culture, building, We have yet to see signs of philosophy in the animals we slaughter.

But we don't give them a chance to evolve into something more sophisticated as we are controlling their breeding and not allowing natural selection to take place.

[MutantSpleen]

Maybe it is beyond our comprehension. I am thinking that they actually deemed humans worthy of reaper-hood and thus the human reaper.



Maybe all those liquefied humans that go into making a reaper still have a consciousness, some kind of collective consciousness of the entire race. Imagine having your consciousness be there but part of a larger whole at the same time, that is pretty freaky to think about. It would be a whole different level of existence than what we know.

[Flamewielder]

cipher_Cero wrote...

We surmise that the Old Machines' methods are far more detrimental to the natural evolution of organic species. The universe favors diversity, which the Old Machines prohibit by extinguishing organic life in order to facilitate their own processes, resulting in the creation of another Reaper or a genetically repurposed worker caste with no signs of genetic diversity. We question their judgment.

The Old Machines claim to bring "order" to the "chaos" of organic life.

All 1,183 active runtimes on this platform have reached the consensus that the Old Machines impose themselves on natural evolution.

Geth build our own future. Organic life builds its own future. The Old Machines would impose their future upon us.

We believe this is not conducive to progress.

Legion sums it up nicely, and you'll notice he never passes jugement on wether the Old Machines are "evil" (such a quaint and narrow-mined concept) but rather expresses an opinion that random natural selection is preferable to "directed" artificial evolution "à la Reaper". Again, there is no moral high ground. By accepting natural evolution, the Geth also implicitely accept that they themselves might be supplanted by something superior someday. Trillions of sentient beings will live and die in the end, regardless of the scenario. But we, the younger species, prefer random chance over Reaper-directed evolution.

Younger races and Reapers have mutually incompatible agendas... Time to send in Shepard!

[Skilled Seeker]

Well each Reaper is a nation unto itself. By that logic it means we killed hundreds of thousands of human spirits including our own crew if we wait too long.

[RighteousRage]

The Reapers are a joke to me, really. They think they are above nature but they are clearly not. If they are competition, then they should tread more lightly. They can't even comprehend that it is possible for humankind to destroy all of the Reapers. They understand very little, except for their culture of harvest. Soon their lack of foresight will catch up to them as they realize that they are not the pinnacle of evolution after all.

[MutantSpleen]

Yeah if the goo was still sentient, then Shepard just killed hundreds of thousands of humans.