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[KingShep]

Who would you help,if there ever broke out a war between the geth and the Quarian creators.Or even between legion and Tali.Legion is so cool,i would not be able to go up against him.Also i have a strong disliking for te quarians especially tali and her father (play the tali side-mission for the reason).

[battled]

Love Tali.

Hate quarians.

Brainwash Tali and help geth of course))

[Dethateer]

I'd go against my nature and instead of nuking both, try to get them to reason with each other. Plus, you might want to play the game some more (by which I mean, do more loyalty missions).

[CmdrFenix83]

If it broke out into war? My main Shepard would side with the Quarians. He promised Tali that even if her father couldn't get her a home on the homeworld, *he* would. Also sided with Tali in the that conflict. He doesn't trust the Geth, due to his history with them, and believes Legion is simply a spy. When caught scanning Tali's omnitool, he found his suspicions to be correct. Sadly, there was no option to execute him as a spy.

[Dethateer]

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

If it broke out into war? My main Shepard would side with the Quarians. He promised Tali that even if her father couldn't get her a home on the homeworld, *he* would. Also sided with Tali in the that conflict. He doesn't trust the Geth, due to his history with them, and believes Legion is simply a spy. When caught scanning Tali's omnitool, he found his suspicions to be correct. Sadly, there was no option to execute him as a spy.

Because telling your government of experimentes being performed on your people by your enemy is in no way something you would ever do, now, is it?

[Dualcode]

I dont dislike either, though the Quarians are a bit "We need to go to War because..well really we have no Idea but lets to go War! Wooo!"..so yeah way too gun-ho in my opinion. The Geth just dont care either way about the Quarians i think, if it came to War, they'd just defend themselves but what i kinda dont get is why the Quarians are so militaristic about it. I mean they are on that Flotilla for like 300 Years and the Geth have never tried to follow them or attack them, and they are by now at least capable of doing so.



So if it came down to it, i'd rather prefer an Option to prevent both Parties to destroy each other than to have to choose between either Party. Especially since Bioware will most likely make the Geth Choice as Renegade, so you do the "bad thing" just because you dont love the Quarians, which is kinda BS. So yeah, if at all, at least there should be a Option to just get them both to the table and negotiate a Non-Aggression Pact or Peace outright instead of just having both go to War. Because both are too valueable in the coming War as to give us such a stupid Decision. Like how in Dragon Age you could either only get the Dalish or the Werewolves, why cant i just have both? Or negotiate them to co-exist peacefully instead of having to pick a side and annihilate or "destroy" the other side.

[KingShep]

but legion is so hilariously cool.When shepard asks him why he is wearing his armor and he waits a while and says "No data available" hilarious.Also he looks much Cooler and his voice although very monotonous is more badass.Also the quarians started a war just because the one geth asked his creator whether he had a soul?WTF

[rabidphoenix]

The geth seem far more reasonable to me.

[CmdrFenix83]

Dethateer wrote...

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

If it broke out into war? My main Shepard would side with the Quarians. He promised Tali that even if her father couldn't get her a home on the homeworld, *he* would. Also sided with Tali in the that conflict. He doesn't trust the Geth, due to his history with them, and believes Legion is simply a spy. When caught scanning Tali's omnitool, he found his suspicions to be correct. Sadly, there was no option to execute him as a spy.

Because telling your government of experimentes being performed on your people by your enemy is in no way something you would ever do, now, is it?

He had no business snooping around her omnitool.  That's called spying.  If she told him about it, sure, the conflict would be different.  She didn't however.  He went behind her back and stole information from her omnitool.  That's the definition of a spy.

[KingShep]

but why would she leave her omni tool,just lying around if she knows a geth is on board.because the quarians were always careless and reckless and then blaming others (f.e the geth) for their bad judgements

[Dethateer]

Pretty sure EDI's memory drives would contain mentions of what happened on that ship. Since Legion has access to that, he would have a good reason to scan her omnitool for further information.

[CmdrFenix83]

Dualcode wrote...

I dont dislike either, though the Quarians are a bit "We need to go to War because..well really we have no Idea but lets to go War! Wooo!"..so yeah way too gun-ho in my opinion. The Geth just dont care either way about the Quarians i think, if it came to War, they'd just defend themselves but what i kinda dont get is why the Quarians are so militaristic about it. I mean they are on that Flotilla for like 300 Years and the Geth have never tried to follow them or attack them, and they are by now at least capable of doing so.

So if it came down to it, i'd rather prefer an Option to prevent both Parties to destroy each other than to have to choose between either Party. Especially since Bioware will most likely make the Geth Choice as Renegade, so you do the "bad thing" just because you dont love the Quarians, which is kinda BS. So yeah, if at all, at least there should be a Option to just get them both to the table and negotiate a Non-Aggression Pact or Peace outright instead of just having both go to War. Because both are too valueable in the coming War as to give us such a stupid Decision. Like how in Dragon Age you could either only get the Dalish or the Werewolves, why cant i just have both? Or negotiate them to co-exist peacefully instead of having to pick a side and annihilate or "destroy" the other side.

Wha..?  I distinctly remember curing the curse on the werewolves and letting them go back to being human, then getting the Elves to side with me for the war.  You aren't forced to wipe out either group, unless you consider 'helping and curing' the equivalent to obliteration.

[Qwepir]

As of right now (as in the end of ME2) if the quarians and geth went to war, the quarians would probably get annihilated. I would side with nobody.

[CmdrFenix83]

Dethateer wrote...

Pretty sure EDI's memory drives would contain mentions of what happened on that ship. Since Legion has access to that, he would have a good reason to scan her omnitool for further information.

Without permission, it's still stealing information.  His class skill is even labeled as 'Geth infiltrator' despite his statements on the Citadel.  My 'main' Shepard(one of 9 of them so far) didn't trust Legion, sided with Tali, and made sure Legion didn't survive.

And no, Legion doesn't have access to EDI's memory drives except if you let him through her firewalls to download the Widow schematics.  Otherwise, she's fully prepared to resist any hacking attempts from him.

Modifié par CmdrFenix83, 02 mars 2010 - 08:23 .

[Qwepir]

Qwepir wrote...

As of right now (as in the end of ME2) if the quarians and geth went to war, the quarians would probably get annihilated. I would side with nobody.

That's a lie, actually. I would side with the Qwib-Qwib guy. The geth do not seek to finish the quarians off, they fought for continued existance. You blew it, find a new place to live.

[Dethateer]

EDI could have told Legion herself about what the quarians were doing. Second, "fully prepared to resisit" =/= able to resist, though I'm pretty sure EDI would instantly report any hacking attempt.

[Dualcode]

CmdrFenix83 wrote...
Wha..?  I distinctly remember curing the curse on the werewolves and letting them go back to being human, then getting the Elves to side with me for the war.  You aren't forced to wipe out either group, unless you consider 'helping and curing' the equivalent to obliteration.

Ehrm no what i meant was that you either got Elves OR Werewolves. Regardless if you kill them or break the Curse, you do not get Werewolves to help you in your Mission. Hence why i would not like that Idea for Mass Effect, you cant just wipe out one Species just so the other sides with you, thats Bull****. And Shepard, no matter what kind of badass the Character is, cant make that type of Judgement to wipe out one Species. That being said, i would hope for a diplomatic Solution instead of just jumping the Guns and fighting.

Modifié par Dualcode, 02 mars 2010 - 08:31 .

[nelly21]

As of yet, I have not run in to entire battalions of quarians trying to shoot me in the face.



My Shep doesn't like people shooting him in the face. Particulary, my Shepard doesn't like it when homicidal toasters shoot him in the face.



I pick the quarians.

[CmdrFenix83]

Dualcode wrote...

CmdrFenix83 wrote...
Wha..?  I distinctly remember curing the curse on the werewolves and letting them go back to being human, then getting the Elves to side with me for the war.  You aren't forced to wipe out either group, unless you consider 'helping and curing' the equivalent to obliteration.

Ehrm no what i meant was that you either got Elves OR Werewolves. Regardless if you kill them or break the Curse, you do not get Werewolves to help you in your Mission. Hence why i would not like that Idea for Mass Effect, you cant just wipe out one Species just so the other sides with you, thats Bull****. And Shepard, no matter what kind of badass the Character is, cant make that type of Judgement to wipe out one Species. That being said, i would hope for a diplomatic Solution instead of just jumping the Guns and fighting.

Actually you had that option in ME1.  Erase Rachni, or let them rebuild.  You also get to choose whether or not to promote the genophage cure or to destroy it.  Same with the Geth Heretics, etc.  It's all a matter of whether or not you deem them dangerous, or you take what Legion says at face value.  My main Shepard doesn't.

[Frostflames]

The geth are happy just to do their own thing, when shephard asks after asking about the geths future shephard asks whether the organics be involved, Legion just says if they want to be (or something like that)

The quarians haven't even tried to resolve the quarian/geth problem peacefully as far as i know. But i believe after the alliance between Legion and Tali things might change.

[Dualcode]

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

Dualcode wrote...

CmdrFenix83 wrote...
Wha..?  I distinctly remember curing the curse on the werewolves and letting them go back to being human, then getting the Elves to side with me for the war.  You aren't forced to wipe out either group, unless you consider 'helping and curing' the equivalent to obliteration.

Ehrm no what i meant was that you either got Elves OR Werewolves. Regardless if you kill them or break the Curse, you do not get Werewolves to help you in your Mission. Hence why i would not like that Idea for Mass Effect, you cant just wipe out one Species just so the other sides with you, thats Bull****. And Shepard, no matter what kind of badass the Character is, cant make that type of Judgement to wipe out one Species. That being said, i would hope for a diplomatic Solution instead of just jumping the Guns and fighting.

Actually you had that option in ME1.  Erase Rachni, or let them rebuild.  You also get to choose whether or not to promote the genophage cure or to destroy it.  Same with the Geth Heretics, etc.  It's all a matter of whether or not you deem them dangerous, or you take what Legion says at face value.  My main Shepard doesn't.

Well alright you have the Options. Although Legions Loyalty Mission is not directly Genocide. Same with the Krogans really, i mean they cant reproduce as quickly anymore but that doesnt mean they face Extinction because of it. My Shep is a Renegade, a cold-blooded little **** really, and i make Decisions based on Outcomes. Hence saving the Rachni would be a good Move regardless of Alignment as they could be potential Allies. Same with the Geth, keeping them alive and just re-writing them instead of destroying them keeps their Numbers higher, therefore a bigger Force against the Reapers. All of those Options are classified by the Game as Paragon, but just because i pick them doesnt mean my Shepard is a Saint for doing so, its just strategic thinking, more long-term planning than anything. In Dragon Age though those Choices are more a direct Result and not based on a long-term Idea really, hence why i would not like a Decision based around either Geth or Quarians, if you can just have the Choice to keep both alive.

[Mako Zalos]

I think that in ME3 the quarians will help take down the reapers and the new geth will help and they will learn to trust eachother

[nelly21]

The Council should just build a big ass space station, put all the geth on board and blast it off in the direction of dark space. The geth don't need air, water, food, etc. So you kill two birds with one really big and expensive stone. But the quarians get their world back. The geth are left alone to do whatever it is they do and everybody is happy.

[CmdrFenix83]

Dualcode wrote...

Well alright you have the Options. Although Legions Loyalty Mission is not directly Genocide. Same with the Krogans really, i mean they cant reproduce as quickly anymore but that doesnt mean they face Extinction because of it. My Shep is a Renegade, a cold-blooded little **** really, and i make Decisions based on Outcomes. Hence saving the Rachni would be a good Move regardless of Alignment as they could be potential Allies. Same with the Geth, keeping them alive and just re-writing them instead of destroying them keeps their Numbers higher, therefore a bigger Force against the Reapers. All of those Options are classified by the Game as Paragon, but just because i pick them doesnt mean my Shepard is a Saint for doing so, its just strategic thinking, more long-term planning than anything. In Dragon Age though those Choices are more a direct Result and not based on a long-term Idea really, hence why i would not like a Decision based around either Geth or Quarians, if you can just have the Choice to keep both alive.

Why would saving the Rachni appear to be a good move?  See, I'm the opposite, I play a Paragon that bases decisions on what he thinks is the most prudent.  The Rachni, in history, attacked the moment the relay to their area was opened.  They slaughtered everything they encountered and started a bloody war that was only stopped when the Salarians brought the non-spacefaring Krogans into it. 

The Rachni were aggressive from the moment first contact was made, and there was never a point where an attempt for peace was possible.  They never attempted to surrender or run, they fought to the point of extinction.  What makes you think this Queen would be different?  Because she said so?  How do you know she wasn't lying?  The whole indoctrination thing isn't known until ME2, so you have no way of knowing she won't turn on you immediately after rebuilding.

As far as the Krogans go, it's the same situation.  The instant they were allowed off of Tuchanka, they multiplied like bunnies, and began assaulting every system around.  The Council tried diplomacy, and the Krogans basically told them 'Make us'.  That's all in the codex.  This race has proved to be extremely aggressive just for the sake of battle itself.  The genophage seems to be the only solution short of extinction.

For the Heretics, well, the Geth spent the majority of two games attacking you on sight.  Legion is shown as an anomoly, helping you on the derelict Reaper.  However, after two games of being attacked by them, are you really that quick to trust him?  What if he was sent to try and earn your trust, learn about you, and eventually betray you?  The Reapers did this witht he indoctrinated slaves with the Protheans, Vigil tells you that himself.  What makes you think they wouldn't try the same thing with the Geth against the one individual that was responsible for taking one of their own down?

This is the reasoning behind my main Shepard's actions.  The same thing translates to the Batarians as well.  He's never encountered one that didn't try to kill him, or spew insults his way.  Why should he give them the benefit of the doubt?  He let the one die of the plauge on Omega, made damned sure that the one that poisoned him got what he deserved, etc.  It's just a simple matter of 'is your Shepard willing to give someone the benefit of the doubt in spite of all the history that proves to the contrary?'

[Magimel]

If I must choose, I choose death to the Machines. I don't care if they have awareness they shot at me. I know it was just a few fanatics, but they still tried to shoot me! I've never been shot at by a Quarian, so we're good.