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[Qwepir]

CmdrFenix83 wrote...
Why would saving the Rachni appear to be a good move?  See, I'm the opposite, I play a Paragon that bases decisions on what he thinks is the most prudent.  The Rachni, in history, attacked the moment the relay to their area was opened.  They slaughtered everything they encountered and started a bloody war that was only stopped when the Salarians brought the non-spacefaring Krogans into it. 

The Rachni were aggressive from the moment first contact was made, and there was never a point where an attempt for peace was possible.  They never attempted to surrender or run, they fought to the point of extinction.  What makes you think this Queen would be different?  Because she said so?  How do you know she wasn't lying?  The whole indoctrination thing isn't known until ME2, so you have no way of knowing she won't turn on you immediately after rebuilding.

They have realized their mistake. They do not want to be extinct, and so they'd be willing to get along if it means they continue existing.

CmdrFenix83 wrote...
As far as the Krogans go, it's the same situation.  The instant they were allowed off of Tuchanka, they multiplied like bunnies, and began assaulting every system around.  The Council tried diplomacy, and the Krogans basically told them 'Make us'.  That's all in the codex.  This race has proved to be extremely aggressive just for the sake of battle itself.  The genophage seems to be the only solution short of extinction.

True. However, if there were more krogan around like Wrex, the situation would be different. If/Once Wrex is able to reunite the krogan, they will likely be more understanding of other races' needs.

CmdrFenix83 wrote...
For the Heretics, well, the Geth spent the majority of two games attacking you on sight.  Legion is shown as an anomoly, helping you on the derelict Reaper.  However, after two games of being attacked by them, are you really that quick to trust him?  What if he was sent to try and earn your trust, learn about you, and eventually betray you?  The Reapers did this witht he indoctrinated slaves with the Protheans, Vigil tells you that himself.  What makes you think they wouldn't try the same thing with the Geth against the one individual that was responsible for taking one of their own down?

Excuse me, but have you ever even spoke with Legion? Or had him in your party? First of all, Saren's geth and the ones on Legion's loyalty mission are heretics. A splinter group. Legion is one of the friendly geth who kicked the quarians off their homeworld and then left the galaxy alone. If they wanted to take on the citadel, they definitely could.

CmdrFenix83 wrote...
What if he was sent to try and earn your trust, learn about you, and
eventually betray you?  The Reapers did this witht he indoctrinated
slaves with the Protheans, Vigil tells you that himself.  What makes
you think they wouldn't try the same thing with the Geth against the
one individual that was responsible for taking one of their own down?

Oh dear. Dear dear dear dear dear. Geth are not reapers. Unless you're saying Legion is indoctrinated, which I'm pretty sure is impossible.

CmdrFenix83 wrote...
This is the reasoning behind my main Shepard's actions.  The same thing translates to the Batarians as well.  He's never encountered one that didn't try to kill him, or spew insults his way.  Why should he give them the benefit of the doubt?  He let the one die of the plauge on Omega, made damned sure that the one that poisoned him got what he deserved, etc.  It's just a simple matter of 'is your Shepard willing to give someone the benefit of the doubt in spite of all the history that proves to the contrary?'

You humans are all racist!
The humans went into the batarian's claimed space and started colonizing. When the batarians went to the council to defend their claim, they were ignored. They got the short end of the stick there, it makes absolute sense that they're still pissed at humans. Besides, there are plenty of turians that hate humans too, but you don't seem to be complaining about that.

[Watcher01]

Here is how I see it, I could not side with either, it would be the only truly impartial decision I would make in regards to taking back the Quarian homeworld. Without the Rachni, the Geth, the Krogan, Salarian, Turian, Asari, Quarian, Human, Batarian, Volus, Elcor, Vorcha, Krell, even the Vorcha; The Reapers WIN.  They cannot win.

[Nostradamoose]

Dualcode wrote...

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

Dualcode wrote...

CmdrFenix83 wrote...
Wha..?  I distinctly remember curing the curse on the werewolves and letting them go back to being human, then getting the Elves to side with me for the war.  You aren't forced to wipe out either group, unless you consider 'helping and curing' the equivalent to obliteration.

Ehrm no what i meant was that you either got Elves OR Werewolves. Regardless if you kill them or break the Curse, you do not get Werewolves to help you in your Mission. Hence why i would not like that Idea for Mass Effect, you cant just wipe out one Species just so the other sides with you, thats Bull****. And Shepard, no matter what kind of badass the Character is, cant make that type of Judgement to wipe out one Species. That being said, i would hope for a diplomatic Solution instead of just jumping the Guns and fighting.

Actually you had that option in ME1.  Erase Rachni, or let them rebuild.  You also get to choose whether or not to promote the genophage cure or to destroy it.  Same with the Geth Heretics, etc.  It's all a matter of whether or not you deem them dangerous, or you take what Legion says at face value.  My main Shepard doesn't.

Well alright you have the Options. Although Legions Loyalty Mission is not directly Genocide. Same with the Krogans really, i mean they cant reproduce as quickly anymore but that doesnt mean they face Extinction because of it. My Shep is a Renegade, a cold-blooded little **** really, and i make Decisions based on Outcomes. Hence saving the Rachni would be a good Move regardless of Alignment as they could be potential Allies. Same with the Geth, keeping them alive and just re-writing them instead of destroying them keeps their Numbers higher, therefore a bigger Force against the Reapers. All of those Options are classified by the Game as Paragon, but just because i pick them doesnt mean my Shepard is a Saint for doing so, its just strategic thinking, more long-term planning than anything. In Dragon Age though those Choices are more a direct Result and not based on a long-term Idea really, hence why i would not like a Decision based around either Geth or Quarians, if you can just have the Choice to keep both alive.

I hear you man, I did the exact same thing. My main Shepard was all about making an army and destroying anything that could get in my way. So I killed Vido in Zaeed's mission, kept the krogan genophage cure, saved the rachni Queen, saved the council (Just to keep aliens' trust in humanity) and put Anderson on the Council simply to have someone fighting on my side at all time

[CmdrFenix83]

Qwepir wrote...

They have realized their mistake. They do not want to be extinct, and so they'd be willing to get along if it means they continue existing.

Assumption based on believing what the Queen tells you.  Of course she doesn't want to die.  In case you haven't noticed, most people will say anything to allow themselves a chance to live. 

True. However, if there were more krogan around like Wrex, the situation would be different. If/Once Wrex is able to reunite the krogan, they will likely be more understanding of other races' needs.

Agreed completely.  If Wrex can convince others to keep up that path after he's gone(he won't live forever afterall) then there's a good choice for this race as a whole to be redeemed. 

Excuse me, but have you ever even spoke with Legion? Or had him in your party? First of all, Saren's geth and the ones on Legion's loyalty mission are heretics. A splinter group. Legion is one of the friendly geth who kicked the quarians off their homeworld and then left the galaxy alone. If they wanted to take on the citadel, they definitely could.

Again, assumption that Legion is telling you the truth.  You're welcome to believe that the Geth you've been fighting for over two years are all part of some splinter group, however, my Shepard was skeptical.  The moment Legion was caught scanning Tali's omnitool, reavealed him to be a spy, at least in the eyes of my main Shepard.  An elaborate ruse by the Reapers to infiltrate Shepard's ship for whatever reasons.  That was all information needed to put a bullet into Legion's... head?  Harddrive?  Whatever.

And yes, for the record, I do love Legion's character, and wish I could pick him up sooner.  I'm just speaking from the point of view of my main Shepard.

Oh dear. Dear dear dear dear dear. Geth are not reapers. Unless you're saying Legion is indoctrinated, which I'm pretty sure is impossible.

He doesn't need to be indoctrinated.  The Geth were more easy to manipulate, Vigil's own words.  He doesn't need to be indoctrinated, he just is willingly working as a sleeper agent for the Reapers by infiltrating the Normandy.  At least, that's the conclusion my Shepard came to.  He was curious about being saved by Legion on the derelict, and started him up to question him.  The spying on Tali's omnitool was the confirmation he needed for his suspicions. 

You can't honestly say that after spending two games with every Geth trying to kill you that you weren't a bit suspicious of Legion, can you?  Doing so is either metagaming, or being absurdly naive.

You humans are all racist!
The humans went into the batarian's claimed space and started colonizing. When the batarians went to the council to defend their claim, they were ignored. They got the short end of the stick there, it makes absolute sense that they're still pissed at humans. Besides, there are plenty of turians that hate humans too, but you don't seem to be complaining about that.

Claiming an empty planet doesn't really mean you own it unless it's officially recognized.  Humanity began to spread, and the Council said... "What's your point?"  All humanity did was spread into available colonies.  You also have to remember, 1 of Shepard's backgrounds, and 2 of Shepard's histories are directly related to Batarian crap.  A colonist Shepard, would be understandably prejudiced, as well as the hero of Elysium.  Add in the terrorist crap at Terra Nova, and Shepard has a very good reason to be biased.  Two years pass, and one of the first ones he meets poisons him.  Yeah, Shepard should totally give them the benefit of the doubt.

Turians, well most Turians haven't attempted to kill him, nor have they proved themselves to be aggressive, violent, hostile pricks.  In fact, for my main Shepard, a Turian is his closest friend.  The First Contact War was a giant misunderstanding, and the Turians themselves have(if you save the Council) awarded reparations to the families damaged by that incident. 

[Dethateer]

Vigil said that the Geth would be a better species to do the dirty work because, being synthetic, they are not subject to mutation (like the Keepers). The only ones easier to control are the heretics, which only follow the Reapers for technology.

[CmdrFenix83]

Dethateer wrote...

Vigil said that the Geth would be a better species to do the dirty work because, being synthetic, they are not subject to mutation (like the Keepers). The only ones easier to control are the heretics, which only follow the Reapers for technology.

Again, assumes Legion is telling the truth.  You simply cannot know that.  You very well could have gone into the base of a splinter group of these 'True Geth' and prevented them from fixing the rest of the Geth away from the Reaper ideal.  That's speculation, yes, but my Shepard doesn't believe a word Legion says to be the truth.

[Octorox]

 I would do what a good Paragon does and negotiate it. But if I didn't work out I'd probably have to side with Tali...

[Qwepir]

[quote]CmdrFenix83 wrote...
Assumption based on believing what the Queen tells you.  Of course she doesn't want to die.  In case you haven't noticed, most people will say anything to allow themselves a chance to live. 
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Most people also learn from their mistakes.

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Again, assumption that Legion is telling you the truth.  You're welcome to believe that the Geth you've been fighting for over two years are all part of some splinter group, however, my Shepard was skeptical.  The moment Legion was caught scanning Tali's omnitool, reavealed him to be a spy, at least in the eyes of my main Shepard.  An elaborate ruse by the Reapers to infiltrate Shepard's ship for whatever reasons.  That was all information needed to put a bullet into Legion's... head?  Harddrive?  Whatever.
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Your Shepard is an idiot. If the geth wanted to overrun the galaxy, they could easily do it.

He doesn't need to be indoctrinated.  The Geth were more easy to manipulate, Vigil's own words.  He doesn't need to be indoctrinated, he just is willingly working as a sleeper agent for the Reapers by infiltrating the Normandy.  At least, that's the conclusion my Shepard came to.  He was curious about being saved by Legion on the derelict, and started him up to question him.
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The heretic geth were easier to manipulate because they saw the reapers as their gods.


[quote]The spying on Tali's omnitool was the confirmation he needed for his suspicions.[/quote]
Ok, now I'm starting to think you haven't played the game. Legion specifically says:
"Creators were performing weapons tests and were discussing plans to attack us. We believed it neccessary to warn our people."


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You can't honestly say that after spending two games with every Geth trying to kill you that you weren't a bit suspicious of Legion, can you?  Doing so is either metagaming, or being absurdly naive.
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I was not in the slightest suspicious of Legion. The fact that his loyalty mission involves going and rewriting/destroying a heretic outpost pretty much confirms that there are indeed at least two factions of geth.


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Claiming an empty planet doesn't really mean you own it unless it's officially recognized.  Humanity began to spread, and the Council said... "What's your point?"  All humanity did was spread into available colonies.  You also have to remember, 1 of Shepard's backgrounds, and 2 of Shepard's histories are directly related to Batarian crap.  A colonist Shepard, would be understandably prejudiced, as well as the hero of Elysium.  Add in the terrorist crap at Terra Nova, and Shepard has a very good reason to be biased.  Two years pass, and one of the first ones he meets poisons him.  Yeah, Shepard should totally give them the benefit of the doubt.
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Have you ever heard of purchasing land? If a company owns a plot of land it doesn't matter if they built anything on it, you can't just go do whatever you want with it.


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Turians, well most Turians haven't attempted to kill him, nor have they proved themselves to be aggressive, violent, hostile pricks.  In fact, for my main Shepard, a Turian is his closest friend.  The First Contact War was a giant misunderstanding, and the Turians themselves have(if you save the Council) awarded reparations to the families damaged by that incident. 
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The First Contact War and the batarians getting driven out of the Terminus Systems are both misunderstandings, only the FCW resulted in mutual peace, while the batarians just plain lost. They have every right to be bitter.


Stop being such a skeptic.

[Zaisha_temp]

Qwepir wrote...
Have you ever heard of purchasing land? If a company owns a plot of land it doesn't matter if they built anything on it, you can't just go do whatever you want with it.

Ehm, the Batarians never "purchased" the worlds in question. They just unilaterally declared them as Batarian territory. Without doing so much as putting down colonies or mining installations for some kind of "homestead act" claim either.

They just went to the council saying "We want these worlds the Humans are settling. We have no interest in developing them ourselves right now or in the immediate future, but we still want official posession of them, as they are in the same general area as a couple of our colonies"
The council replied "first come, first serve". At which point the Batarians went berserk, like a good little totalitarian dictatorship.

Modifié par Zaisha_temp, 02 mars 2010 - 10:32 .

[FataliTensei]

100% paragon option of stopping the war

[CmdrFenix83]

Qwepir wrote...
Most people also learn from their mistakes.

Again, assumes you believe her.  I've known people that lie about everything.  I've learned never to take anything at face value.  Trust is something earned, not given freely.  I would have called the Council, personally, to ask what they wanted to do about it.  That's not an option, so I'm not risking Rachni War v2.0.

Your Shepard is an idiot. If the geth wanted to overrun the galaxy, they could easily do it.

No, they couldn't.  The Quarians have the largest fleet in the Galaxy, not the Geth.  The instant the Geth actually invaded in full-scale war, the Council would be forced to respond.  The fact that Geth are AI, would have united the entire galaxy against them.  Look what happened at the Citadel, The Geth attacked, and everyone rallied to fight them off.  Afterwards, they were forced to go into hiding.  Any Geth outside of the Persius Veil that was discovered, was completely wiped out.  Your estimation that the Geth are > the rest of the galaxy is laughable at best.

The heretic geth were easier to manipulate because they saw the reapers as their gods.

Again, assumption based on believing what Legion states is the truth.  The Heretic crap could be a sob-story to buy Shepard's trust.  You simply do not know for sure.  You *want* to believe him.  Two games where every Geth tries to kill Shepard, has left my Shepard a bit skeptical. 

The spying on Tali's omnitool was the confirmation he needed for his suspicions.

Ok, now I'm starting to think you haven't played the game. Legion specifically says:
"Creators were performing weapons tests and were discussing plans to attack us. We believed it neccessary to warn our people."

Yes, I've played the game.  9 times in fact with each clearing every single quest and mission in the game.  Why does Legion scan her omnitool?  We don't know.  Legion got the information about those weapon tests *from* her omnitool.  That's rather classified information that no one aside from the dead Quarians of the Alarei, Shepard, Tali, and whoever else you brought with you to that mission.  The only way he knew about said tests, is scanning her omnitool.  This is called spying.  I'm sure you're familiar with the term.  Spying on another squadmember when you're already suspect for being one is a sure way to get yourself shot. 

Legion was spying, he got caught, I made sure he died for it.

I was not in the slightest suspicious of Legion. The fact that his loyalty mission involves going and rewriting/destroying a heretic outpost pretty much confirms that there are indeed at least two factions of geth.

Then you're just flat out naive.  You can't read their terminals, you have no proof of anything Legion says.  Again, this could very well have just been an elaborate ruse to buy Shepard's trust.  You simply have no way to tell.  How do you even know a single Geth killed on that station was even an actual Geth and not just programmed platforms designed to fight you off?  You don't. 

You also seemingly trusted him long before this mission anyway, as you said you weren't slightly suspicious of him.  Apparently, when an entire race spends two years trying to kill you and failing horribly, obviously the first one you encounter that doesn't is your friend, right?  They couldn't possibly be changing strategy in how to deal with you, could they?  Nah. 

Have you ever heard of purchasing land? If a company owns a plot of land it doesn't matter if they built anything on it, you can't just go do whatever you want with it.

Buying something doesn't mean screaming 'but that was mine!' after someone moves in and actually builds on it.  You can't prove it's yours unless someone else recognizes it as yours, especially if it's vacant.  The argument of "but we might want to someday build a colony there, maybe" doesn't hold any weight, and it didn't with the Council either.

The First Contact War and the batarians getting driven out of the Terminus Systems are both misunderstandings, only the FCW resulted in mutual peace, while the batarians just plain lost. They have every right to be bitter.

Stop being such a skeptic.

I'm not saying they don't have a right to be bitter, I'm saying that they openly try to kill Shepard, and Shepard is prejudiced because of it.  In no instance has my Shepard shot first.  Not against the Krogan, not against the Geth, not against the Batarians.  The only instance you can make that case for is the Rachni.

And you cannot tell me to stop being skeptical.  I've been screwed over in real life more than enough by people making up bull**** whenever they want.  It translates to my *main*(1 out of 9) Shepard.  The OP asked who I would side with, I gave an explanation on why.  You don't have to like it, you don't have to agree with it.  However, you're not in my ME world, so you're damn well going to have to accept it.

[FlintlockJazz]

CmdrFenix83 does raise a good point as to how Legion found out about the quarian experiments, since unless you revealed it at the court the only people to know about it are Shepard, Tali, the other team member you took with you and Admiral Xen, with everyone else being dead. You find Tali and Legion together, which is also strange, my Shep trusts Legion but that does look odd at the very least.



As to those saying that the Quarians should've just looked for a new homeworld, go read up on the planetary description for Ekuna to learn why they didn't and also to learn of the Council's stance on Quarians...

[GnusmasTHX]

Let them settle their own ****.

[CmdrFenix83]

FlintlockJazz wrote...

CmdrFenix83 does raise a good point as to how Legion found out about the quarian experiments, since unless you revealed it at the court the only people to know about it are Shepard, Tali, the other team member you took with you and Admiral Xen, with everyone else being dead. You find Tali and Legion together, which is also strange, my Shep trusts Legion but that does look odd at the very least.

As to those saying that the Quarians should've just looked for a new homeworld, go read up on the planetary description for Ekuna to learn why they didn't and also to learn of the Council's stance on Quarians...

Another good point.  Outside of the Perisus Veil, it's unlikely the Council will grant the Quarian people any world whatsoever.  Looks like their choices are float around, fight Geth for territory, or find some way to coexist.  It's pretty obvious that the latter two are going to be what happens in ME3 based off of your actions in ME2.  Results of said war might vary depending on your actions in ME1(Geth Data) and ME2.

Thanks for that mention, by the way.  I had to look it up to see what you were referring to, but it's a good point against the idea of colonizing.

[dragonic9100]

i would help the geth, then as a reward for helping them i would make them give me a voice converter so i could sound like sovereign.

[Darkstar87uk]

I love how Tali fans hate Geth just because she does lmao . Do you think Bioware are going to give you this new squad member so close to the end of the game only for it to turn on you? Talimancers are so prejudiced. 

[CmdrFenix83]

Darkstar87uk wrote...

I love how Tali fans hate Geth just because she does lmao . Do you think Bioware are going to give you this new squad member so close to the end of the game only for it to turn on you? Talimancers are so prejudiced. 

:: sighs:: Again, I personally like Legion.  His Widow is amazing, his character was enlightening, and he was just flat out great.  My main Shepard, doesn't trust him.  It's called roleplaying.  What you're describing is metagame knowledge.  Of course Legion isn't going to screw you over, neither was Grunt if you let him out.  You could easily have known that before hand.  In character though, my main Shepard doesn't trust Geth.  They spent two games trying to kill him, why on Earth would he suddenly 180 just because one tries to communicate?

He was curious.  Reactivated Legion, talked to him, was starting to like him, and then caught him spying on his LI's omnitool.  Proof of being a spy.  Death to the hole-y toaster it is.

Edit: I love Joker's comment after you blow up the Heretic station too.  Soemthing along the lines of.. "Great work taking out that Geth station, Commaner.  You know, Legion's still wandering around the ship if you want to pick up the spare." 

Modifié par CmdrFenix83, 03 mars 2010 - 12:20 .

[Qwepir]

Darkstar87uk wrote...

I love how Tali fans hate Geth just because she does lmao . Do you think Bioware are going to give you this new squad member so close to the end of the game only for it to turn on you? Talimancers are so prejudiced. 

You humans talimancers are all racist!

[GnusmasTHX]

The Council has nothing to do with quarian colonization. They could colonize ANY world outside Citadel-space if they wanted, and the Council would be powerless to stop them.



The only thing that would hamper a colonization effort would be the quarian immune systems. That said, quarians said that they could eventually get used to any environment they choose to inhabit, with time and due process. They've pretty much not only wasted 300 years NOT getting used to a planets habitat, but have also weakened their immune systems throughout those centuries, possibly making it even harder.

[CmdrFenix83]

GnusmasTHX wrote...

The Council has nothing to do with quarian colonization. They could colonize ANY world outside Citadel-space if they wanted, and the Council would be powerless to stop them.

The only thing that would hamper a colonization effort would be the quarian immune systems. That said, quarians said that they could eventually get used to any environment they choose to inhabit, with time and due process. They've pretty much not only wasted 300 years NOT getting used to a planets habitat, but have also weakened their immune systems throughout those centuries, possibly making it even harder.

We don't know the extent of non-Citadel space.  The only area we know isn't theirs is the Terminus Systems and the Persius Veil.  We don't know that there are any habitable planets outside of it other than in the Terminus Systems.  These systems are basically just roving bands of mercs and slavers.  Colonizing there isn't very good for anyone's health.  They're better off on their Flotilla than trying to head out there.

Also note, activating a new relay is against Citadel Laws, and will be severely punished.  They don't want to invite another Rachni Wars.

[Qwepir]

CmdrFenix83 wrote...
Also note, activating a new relay is against Citadel Laws, and will be severely punished.  They don't want to invite another Rachni Wars.

But the quarians aren't part of citadel space.

[GnusmasTHX]

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

GnusmasTHX wrote...

The Council has nothing to do with quarian colonization. They could colonize ANY world outside Citadel-space if they wanted, and the Council would be powerless to stop them.

The only thing that would hamper a colonization effort would be the quarian immune systems. That said, quarians said that they could eventually get used to any environment they choose to inhabit, with time and due process. They've pretty much not only wasted 300 years NOT getting used to a planets habitat, but have also weakened their immune systems throughout those centuries, possibly making it even harder.

We don't know the extent of non-Citadel space.  The only area we know isn't theirs is the Terminus Systems and the Persius Veil.  We don't know that there are any habitable planets outside of it other than in the Terminus Systems.  These systems are basically just roving bands of mercs and slavers.  Colonizing there isn't very good for anyone's health.  They're better off on their Flotilla than trying to head out there.

Also note, activating a new relay is against Citadel Laws, and will be severely punished.  They don't want to invite another Rachni Wars.

The Flotilla is the largest Navy in existence, and probably the most advanced when it was first formed. (At least among the Military ships.) They could EASILY defend any single planet they choose to inhabit, and then expand from there. (From dumb pirates and slavers, that is.)

The Galaxy is massive, and by all accounts, in-game and otherwise, there are actually HUNDREDS of colonizable planets. The Galaxy is TOO BIG for there NOT to be a place for the quarians, I mean read look at your galaxy map for god's sake. There are dozens of worlds with no or little effort to colonize.

The Terminus is officially not Citadel-space, and it's massive. The Systems Alliance in like 20 years has been able to colonize dozens of worlds within the Terminus, against laughable pirate and slaver bands. Even more so, while the Attican Traverse is at the edge of Citadel space, it too is NOT policed by the Citadel. 

The lack of any quarian colonization effort ANYWHERE doesn't make any sense. At the very least they could've made an artificial habitat if the world wasn't necessarily as habitable as they wanted it to be.

(Most of the Clusters you visit in both ME1 and ME2 are either within the Attican Traverse (Citadel frontier, unpoliced) or the Terminus Systems (non-Citadel Space). There were losts of Clusters, more Systems and WAY more planets. They could have settled.)

The question is not whether they COULD have settled, because they obviously could, its why they DIDN'T. Basically for 300 years they've been playing the helpless victim, rubbing their chins in secret dark lairs while formulating their plan to invade their homeworld.

Which is in fact genius because they're not only cut off from ANY help (if anyone WANTED to help), but it's also in the heart of geth territory.

Modifié par GnusmasTHX, 03 mars 2010 - 01:30 .

[CmdrFenix83]

Qwepir wrote...

CmdrFenix83 wrote...
Also note, activating a new relay is against Citadel Laws, and will be severely punished.  They don't want to invite another Rachni Wars.

But the quarians aren't part of citadel space.

That doesn't mean the Council would just let people go around opening Relays.  Who knows what they would find?  That might be something they'd be willing to start a war over.

[GnusmasTHX]

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

Qwepir wrote...

CmdrFenix83 wrote...
Also note, activating a new relay is against Citadel Laws, and will be severely punished.  They don't want to invite another Rachni Wars.

But the quarians aren't part of citadel space.

That doesn't mean the Council would just let people go around opening Relays.  Who knows what they would find?  That might be something they'd be willing to start a war over.

It is something they'd be willing to start a war over. In fact, that's how the Systems Alliance and the Citadel first came into contact.