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[Busomjack]

SpockLives wrote...

Wait a second, Busomjack. You're blaming Adam Baldwin for saying "Hooah" as a quarian? Did it ever occur to you that Adam Baldwin did NOT write his character's lines? I'm pretty sure one of the Bioware script writers decided that a quarian should say Hooah, not Adam Baldwin. Unless you've got proof that Baldwin ad-libbed that line?
Baldwin made Kal'Reeger the most bad-arse quarian in the galaxy.

Not for the writing but his delivery and acting made it seem like Adam Baldwin did not realize he was playing an alien.  An alien can be badass without acting like a human you know, just ask Wrex.

[Beastfoot]

Busomjack wrote...

tropicalwave wrote...

You do realize that Kal is wearing a knit cap under his helmet right?

I disagree with you on bad voice acting. Maybe it was bad writing or bad casting but the voice acting was not the issue. Though I really do like Kal character and wouldn't want him to be any other way. As for say Hoorah!!! I don't remember him saying that. He might have been excited or trying to get his adrenaline pumping by yelling out something.

Also in the ME universe they don't always speak English and it might have just been the translators problem (though that would be strange becuase Tali doesn use Quarian words that don't get translated.) The game does a poor job of explaining when they are speaking 'common' and when they are speaking native language.

He says "Hoorah" when he fires the missle at the Geth armature.
If Kal'Reegar actually were an alliance soldier, his voice would've been great but as a Quarian the voice just didn't fit.
The whole "translator" issue is just a plot device that doesn't always make perfect sense nor does it have to.  Still, a Quarian should not be using US military jargon.  It doesn't make any sense.

Are you serious? this bothers you?

[Busomjack]

The Angry One wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

No they don't, they use translator devices.  It's in the codex.

So why is it so hard to believe that the translator is, you know, translating some Quarian macho charge term that is the equivalent of "hoorah"?

Because it doesn't translate "Keelah'selai."

[The Angry One]

Noilly Prat wrote...

I also don't really get why so many people think the quarians are "space ******" unless they run around with rocket launchers and feel the need to remind you every time you talk to them that they don't know much about nothin', they just point and shoot.  Personally, I find smart and deadly characters like Mordin more badass.  And what, exactly, is not badass about Tali?  She blows up geth by the hundreds, and is the only one on her team who managed to not get killed, including Reegar (unless you save his sorry ass).

Most people probably compare to people like Prazza, who were shown to be incompitent idiots.
That and Quarians are basically the good guy cannon fodder of ME2, whenever they appear about 80% of them end up dead.

[SimonTheFrog]

Darht Jayder wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Adam Baldwin for ManShep.

Now that makes sense.

Yep... that'll work for me!
I quite liked Reegar and it's my example of good voice acting when "under fire". like he'd be actually in a trench. My maleShep just sounds like he's in a lounge sitting next to his martini the whole time. FemShep not so much, but male definitely (scientifically based on my personal opinion, of course). 

Among the Quarians i think Tali obviously sounds convincing, even if you don't like the character for whatever reason. And i thought Xen sounded amazing. The "I think not"-line is kick-ass. The other admirals are ok, not outstanding... but that's not necessarily a bad thing as long as it's believable and i think they all are.

I wish i could say that about Udina, though 

[The Angry One]

Busomjack wrote...

Because it doesn't translate "Keelah'selai."

Act of plot translation. See Star Trek, Babylon 5 and every other sci-fi story ever.

[Busomjack]

Beastfoot wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

tropicalwave wrote...

You do realize that Kal is wearing a knit cap under his helmet right?

I disagree with you on bad voice acting. Maybe it was bad writing or bad casting but the voice acting was not the issue. Though I really do like Kal character and wouldn't want him to be any other way. As for say Hoorah!!! I don't remember him saying that. He might have been excited or trying to get his adrenaline pumping by yelling out something.

Also in the ME universe they don't always speak English and it might have just been the translators problem (though that would be strange becuase Tali doesn use Quarian words that don't get translated.) The game does a poor job of explaining when they are speaking 'common' and when they are speaking native language.

He says "Hoorah" when he fires the missle at the Geth armature.
If Kal'Reegar actually were an alliance soldier, his voice would've been great but as a Quarian the voice just didn't fit.
The whole "translator" issue is just a plot device that doesn't always make perfect sense nor does it have to.  Still, a Quarian should not be using US military jargon.  It doesn't make any sense.

Are you serious? this bothers you?

Doesn't really bother me.  It's just a bit surprising considering how excellent this game's writing and voice acting is overall.

[Jalem001]

Busomjack wrote...

Jalem001 wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

Jalem001 wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

Jalem001 wrote...

What? A race of beings having different accents based on what ship you originally came from?

NOWAI!

Different accents is not the issue, it's the fact that he acts exactly like a US space marine right down to using US military jargon.

Oh noez!  Marines in other cultures having a "Lets get the job done and kick some ass!" attitude!

Your only valid complaint is the "Hooah!"  and um...really?  You're gonna complain about one word?  I mean you really gonna **** over every little detail?

I never said it was a huge issue, I am nitpicking no question about it but it's still seems rather silly for a Quarian to speak like that.

That is not the only example.  The Quarians on the flotilla using military salutes and the flotilla having english writing on the walls seems a bit far fetched.

The entire galaxy speaks English buddy.

No they don't, they use translator devices.  It's in the codex.

So that means you should be complaining about how all their lips move as if they were speaking English, right?  Cause they should be speaking their language, and we should be hearing a translation, probably not even using their voice!

[Tok153]

cronshaw8 wrote...

Even though facial expressions and non-verbal expressions aren't even consistent across the globe.

...Facial Expressions are consistent, just not consistently recognizable.

As for the voice acting. I couldn't get Jayne Cob out of my brain (Through no fault of Adam Baldwin). He does seem to be typecast as the gruff marine/ tough guy a lot. I thought he was great, but I'm also a little biased being a Firefly nerd... As for Mark Meer I had no problem with his voice acting in either games the first time through. Then I started replaying ME1 and cringed. He has gotten better in his portrayal of Shepard and I can't wait to hear him in ME3.

[GenericPlayer2]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

Darht Jayder wrote...

GenericPlayer2 wrote...

Adam Baldwin's voice acting single handedly saved the Quarians from being forever known as a race of space ******. But, if it bothers you that much just stay in cover and the Colossus will eventually change targets and kill him.

Quarians are suck.....except for Kal Reegar.

The truth deserves to be quoted.

I swear, if I see another Little Orphan Annie quarian being all downtrodden in ME3...

Tali'Snorah was bad enough, with the constant need for rescuing. But all these other "downtrodden" vermin too, on every Hub world there was a "downtrodden" quarian in need of rescue...

I normally have Harrot 'conquer' the Quarian child, but there is no way to really screw over the other two. On my current playthrough I am going to wait until I recruit Tali before I talk to Harrot, I am really curious if she will start whining.

[Busomjack]

Jalem001 wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

Jalem001 wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

Jalem001 wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

Jalem001 wrote...

What? A race of beings having different accents based on what ship you originally came from?

NOWAI!

Different accents is not the issue, it's the fact that he acts exactly like a US space marine right down to using US military jargon.

Oh noez!  Marines in other cultures having a "Lets get the job done and kick some ass!" attitude!

Your only valid complaint is the "Hooah!"  and um...really?  You're gonna complain about one word?  I mean you really gonna **** over every little detail?

I never said it was a huge issue, I am nitpicking no question about it but it's still seems rather silly for a Quarian to speak like that.

That is not the only example.  The Quarians on the flotilla using military salutes and the flotilla having english writing on the walls seems a bit far fetched.

The entire galaxy speaks English buddy.

No they don't, they use translator devices.  It's in the codex.

So that means you should be complaining about how all their lips move as if they were speaking English, right?  Cause they should be speaking their language, and we should be hearing a translation, probably not even using their voice!

Just suspension of disbelief.  Lip movements are subtle enough as they are.

[SimonTheFrog]

Jalem001 wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

Jalem001 wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

Jalem001 wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

Jalem001 wrote...

What? A race of beings having different accents based on what ship you originally came from?

NOWAI!

Different accents is not the issue, it's the fact that he acts exactly like a US space marine right down to using US military jargon.

Oh noez!  Marines in other cultures having a "Lets get the job done and kick some ass!" attitude!

Your only valid complaint is the "Hooah!"  and um...really?  You're gonna complain about one word?  I mean you really gonna **** over every little detail?

I never said it was a huge issue, I am nitpicking no question about it but it's still seems rather silly for a Quarian to speak like that.

That is not the only example.  The Quarians on the flotilla using military salutes and the flotilla having english writing on the walls seems a bit far fetched.

The entire galaxy speaks English buddy.

No they don't, they use translator devices.  It's in the codex.

So that means you should be complaining about how all their lips move as if they were speaking English, right?  Cause they should be speaking their language, and we should be hearing a translation, probably not even using their voice!

It's true that a more scientific approach is possible. But who, if honest, would really want that? 

[Valmy]

Busomjack wrote...
Doesn't really bother me.  It's just a bit surprising considering how excellent this game's writing and voice acting is overall.

How absurd.  You could easily apply similar knit picks to every single other character in the game.  Everybody sounds like they are from 21st century earth.  Why would there even be different accents now for humans?  They made a big deal about Captain Anderson not having an English accent even though he was from London because now human accents have all become pretty generic....and then here comes Miranda and Zaeed.

[Jalem001]

Busomjack wrote...

Jalem001 wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

Jalem001 wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

Jalem001 wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

Jalem001 wrote...

What? A race of beings having different accents based on what ship you originally came from?

NOWAI!

Different accents is not the issue, it's the fact that he acts exactly like a US space marine right down to using US military jargon.

Oh noez!  Marines in other cultures having a "Lets get the job done and kick some ass!" attitude!

Your only valid complaint is the "Hooah!"  and um...really?  You're gonna complain about one word?  I mean you really gonna **** over every little detail?

I never said it was a huge issue, I am nitpicking no question about it but it's still seems rather silly for a Quarian to speak like that.

That is not the only example.  The Quarians on the flotilla using military salutes and the flotilla having english writing on the walls seems a bit far fetched.

The entire galaxy speaks English buddy.

No they don't, they use translator devices.  It's in the codex.

So that means you should be complaining about how all their lips move as if they were speaking English, right?  Cause they should be speaking their language, and we should be hearing a translation, probably not even using their voice!

Just suspension of disbelief.  Lip movements are subtle enough as they are.

Aaaand we're back towhy this thread should of never been made.  If Hooah is such a big deal, then lip movements are a big deal.

And neither are a big deal.

[Gill Kaiser]

Busomjack wrote...

Jalem001 wrote...

What? A race of beings having different accents based on what ship you originally came from?

NOWAI!

Different accents is not the issue, it's the fact that he acts exactly like a US space marine right down to using US military jargon.

Why shouldn't he? He's a marine, and it's already established that Quarians have a grab-bag of different accents.

[Highdragonslayer]

The OP is just a troll ignore him

[DJ Vash 40]

Well, what about this idea. Kal'Reegar said "Hoorah" to show support for Shepard. Being that Shepard is a marine, why can't Kal'Reegar say that to support him and or show Shepard that he is willing to risk his life to save his comrade? Hell, if I was him, I'd be trying to show off as well. Shepard is, after all, a god to the people of ME universe. He killed a reaper and was brought back to life. The man is a living legend, why can't Kal'Reegar try to show off a little bit? After all, humans have been around other species a while haven't they? So isn't it natural to teach other species about our languages and our sayings?



-DJ Vash 40

[Mox Ruuga]

Darht Jayder wrote...

Quarians have practically become the galaxy's garbage collectors....perhaps there is a use for them afterall.

Lol, but don't you see the poor little victims have just been soooo misunderstood.

In ME2 Shepard interacts with quarians in the following manner:

- Saves Tali'Snorah three times
- Saves the remnants of Tali'Snorah's command twice
- Saves three different "victim" quarians on three "hub" worlds from various predicaments
- Walks all over the ruling body of their entire species in a legal spectacle, leaving them basically speechless before storming out with the "princess"
- Saves the remnants of the crew of a downed quarian scout ship

Notice a trend? Add to that the easy storming of the Alarei, which stymied "some of the best" of the quarian marines. It was a walk in the park compared to many of Shepard's missions.

A species whose "hat" is being a pitiful victim and general incompetence.

[GenericPlayer2]

Noilly Prat wrote...

I also don't really get why so many people think the quarians are "space ******" unless they run around with rocket launchers and feel the need to remind you every time you talk to them that they don't know much about nothin', they just point and shoot.  Personally, I find smart and deadly characters like Mordin more badass.  And what, exactly, is not badass about Tali?  She blows up geth by the hundreds, and is the only one on her team who managed to not get killed, including Reegar (unless you save his sorry ass).

You're joking right? They are incredibly needy. In ME1 you have to save Tali Zorah from those thugs. In the second game you have to bail her out in the whole Veetor situation, then bail her out on Haelstrom, then bail her out at trial. Thats not even counting the Quarian kid on Omega, the Citadel theif, and the Ilium slave. In ME3, having the option to shoot some Quarians would be a welcome change.

Edit: OMG I forgot the bucket-head you save in Hades Nexus. You know, the one who didn't see her team being dragged off by the Varren!

Modifié par GenericPlayer2, 02 mars 2010 - 09:14 .

[Busomjack]

I would say that an alien using the term "HOORAH!" requires more suspension of disbelief than lip movements. Most of the time I don't even notice lip movements being in sync with the voices. "Hooarah!" coming from a Quarian is just absurd.

[Jalem001]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

Darht Jayder wrote...

Quarians have practically become the galaxy's garbage collectors....perhaps there is a use for them afterall.

Lol, but don't you see the poor little victims have just been soooo misunderstood.

In ME2 Shepard interacts with quarians in the following manner:

- Saves Tali'Snorah three times
- Saves the remnants of Tali'Snorah's command twice
- Saves three different "victim" quarians on three "hub" worlds from various predicaments
- Walks all over the ruling body of their entire species in a legal spectacle, leaving them basically speechless before storming out with the "princess"
- Saves the remnants of the crew of a downed quarian scout ship

Notice a trend? Add to that the easy storming of the Alarei, which stymied "some of the best" of the quarian marines. It was a walk in the park compared to many of Shepard's missions.

A species whose "hat" is being a pitiful victim and general incompetence.

Everything is a walk in the park for Shepard!  I stormed Eden Prime and single handedly handled the Geth.  Every single marine on that planet including Ash and Jacob got their asses handed to them!  This is why Shepard is so valuable.

Most marines would probably get destroyed boarding a ship, not sure of the threat, and suddenly finding themselves under fire while in a narrow hallway with no cover.

[Noilly Prat]

The Angry One wrote...

Noilly Prat wrote...

I also don't really get why so many people think the quarians are "space ******" unless they run around with rocket launchers and feel the need to remind you every time you talk to them that they don't know much about nothin', they just point and shoot.  Personally, I find smart and deadly characters like Mordin more badass.  And what, exactly, is not badass about Tali?  She blows up geth by the hundreds, and is the only one on her team who managed to not get killed, including Reegar (unless you save his sorry ass).

Most people probably compare to people like Prazza, who were shown to be incompitent idiots.
That and Quarians are basically the good guy cannon fodder of ME2, whenever they appear about 80% of them end up dead.

Well, that's fair enough.  Although I feel like the same could be said for human colonists.  Somebody really needs to start making some form of defense training mandatory for human colonists.

I find the quarians to be one of the more interesting species in the series, so I just liked seeing more of them in general in ME2.  Sure, there seem to be a lot of quarian idiots, but by sheer volume most of the idiots in the game are probably human.  Even salarian and asari idiots are represented here and there.  (I don't remember seeing a lot of turian idiots, besides maybe the one on the council, but I'm sure they exist.)

[GenericPlayer2]

Jalem001 wrote...

Everything is a walk in the park for Shepard!  I stormed Eden Prime and single handedly handled the Geth.  Every single marine on that planet including Ash and Jacob got their asses handed to them!  This is why Shepard is so valuable.

Most marines would probably get destroyed boarding a ship, not sure of the threat, and suddenly finding themselves under fire while in a narrow hallway with no cover.

You don't get it, its not about comparing it to Shep. The fight against the Geth carried on after Shep died and many of them were eliminated in council space - they don't even hear about pockets of resistance any more. Shep didn't do all of that. Your other team mates talk about their past missions and stuff, and you hear about how they got things done when Shep was not around. Now compare that to Tali and any Quarian you see.