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[Andaius20]

All ME 2 did was randomize the boxes it still is pretty much a corridor linear shooter for all the combat parts. now they just force you to use certain guns because they give you crap all ammo for all the other ones....

[Phaedra Sanguine]

They improve combat, as one of the many improvements to the ME series and that makes it 'dumbed down'? You people need to stop using those words so liberally.



Just because you're completely head-strong and stuck in your ways, feeling all nostalgic and stubborn, doesn't mean anything is dumbed down.

[A Fhaol Bhig]

Paxcorpus wrote...

They improve combat, as one of the many improvements to the ME series and that makes it 'dumbed down'? You people need to stop using those words so liberally.

Just because you're completely head-strong and stuck in your ways, feeling all nostalgic and stubborn, doesn't mean anything is dumbed down.

Doesn't make the OP completely wrong either of course, but some people are a bit to stubbern.

[MassEffect762]

A Fhaol Bhig wrote...

Paxcorpus wrote...

They improve combat, as one of the many improvements to the ME series and that makes it 'dumbed down'? You people need to stop using those words so liberally.

Just because you're completely head-strong and stuck in your ways, feeling all nostalgic and stubborn, doesn't mean anything is dumbed down.

Doesn't make the OP completely wrong either of course, but some people are a bit to stubbern.

He probably means over-simplified and linear. I thought as much about the game.

[Krogan4Life]

I think ME1 and 2 are both great games. There are always things in any game that you like and don't like. I prefer the combat in the 2nd one. The battles in the first one didnt really engage me. But I do miss the mako. I had some fun with that thing. And I miss the inventory and the upgrades. When you and your squad are equipped with the top of the line technology you get that feeling of being elite soldiers ready for any situation. I hope they at least bring that back in part 3. But thats just me. Whatever happens its a great game.

[pho3nlxl]

@ nelly21



While obviously not free roaming, the different areas served as quest hubs. When dealing with Zhu's Hope on Feros, you would talk to the people, get the sense that something is amiss, quest a bit, come back, etc. You had the feeling of progress, of story progression.



Freedom's Progress --- not so much. Shoot some collectors, shoot some more collectors, interact with ONE person, and tada, mission complete.

[pho3nlxl]

@SithLordExarKun



I'm happy to hear these posts are springing up. The more people that make it known this is an issue to them, the more likely they are to do something about it.



I'm def. not saying ME2 was a bad game - I'll agree with one of the other posters who said "it is better than most other games out right now." It just didn't like up to the standard of its predecessor. Also, I'm very clearly aware ME1 was about action... but it was the blend of action and rpg elements that drew me in.



As a consumer, I want them to be aware of community feedback and take those into consideration when making the next one.



@ Mak89



Again, its not about being butthurt, or w/e. It is voicing a concern. I don't think ME2 was what it should have been. (Something much, much better). Even the premise (recruiting people) sounds a little dry. If I wanted to run and gun down corriders, I'd play Horde mode or Firefight. That's not really what makes the game for me, and a good number of other players, I'd be willing to wager.



@Paxcorpus

I posted something about that way before you said anything. I didn't say an improvement in the combat made for a dumbing down of the experience. No where close.







I want the franchise to succeed (it has already done that, obvs), and to do so in a way that really breaks ground in innovation etc. Not rehashing mechanics that other franchises have. For me, ME1 was a breakthrough. ME2, not so much.

[slyguy07]

SithLordExarKun wrote...

How many more of these "i am dissapointed with ME2, ME1 RAWX!!" threads are going to pop up? Not that they aren't entitled to their opinion but its getting a little repetitive and old to see the same exact thread recreated dozens of time.

 
Until ME3 comes out most likely. They should not have done away completely with the inventory on Shepard or his squad. That is one of the biggest complaints. Also the ammo thing is retarded since anyone can use any kind of ammo on a gun if they can put it in the stupid clip. Just make it part of the inventory in the next game and whaddyaknow? Two big complaints solved.

The biotics and tech powers are a bigger issue. Biotics are next to useless in ME2 aside from Warp, Charge, and Pull. Tech powers are nifty, but neural shock is now useless nor is there an ability like sabotage in ME1.

Oh and Reave is decent, too.

Modifié par slyguy07, 03 mars 2010 - 04:51 .

[Lord Coake]

My Sentinel's Slam has saved the day numerous times. As has throw. Both can also generate awesomely funny ragdolling from enemies. Had a Blue Sun merc hit the ceiling, rebound off a stack of crates on the way down, then bounce off the floor twice before falling off a edge in Grunt's recruitment mission, screaming the whole way.



Done similar with throw. Poor krogan didn't know what hit him till he met pavement.

[sirandar]

slyguy07 wrote...

SithLordExarKun wrote...

How many more of these "i am dissapointed with ME2, ME1 RAWX!!" threads are going to pop up? Not that they aren't entitled to their opinion but its getting a little repetitive and old to see the same exact thread recreated dozens of time.

 
Until ME3 comes out most likely. They should not have done away completely with the inventory on Shepard or his squad. That is one of the biggest complaints. Also the ammo thing is retarded since anyone can use any kind of ammo on a gun if they can put it in the stupid clip. Just make it part of the inventory in the next game and whaddyaknow? Two big complaints solved.

The biotics and tech powers are a bigger issue. Biotics are next to useless in ME2 aside from Warp, Charge, and Pull. Tech powers are nifty, but neural shock is now useless nor is there an ability like sabotage in ME1.

Oh and Reave is decent, too.

Neural Shock had its uses but there was the standard issue that when it became useful, the enemy was already as good as dead.  I think it was relatively useful against Krogan to stop them from charging if you couldn't get a warp off as regeneration allowed them to ignore your shots even without armour and shields.  True of the Vorcha too.

Obviously a choice for a squaddie only

Modifié par sirandar, 03 mars 2010 - 04:42 .

[Spectre_Shepard]

i thought ME2 was great.

[A Fhaol Bhig]

slyguy07 wrote...

SithLordExarKun wrote...

How many more of these "i am dissapointed with ME2, ME1 RAWX!!" threads are going to pop up? Not that they aren't entitled to their opinion but its getting a little repetitive and old to see the same exact thread recreated dozens of time.

 
Until ME3 comes out most likely. They should not have done away completely with the inventory on Shepard or his squad. That is one of the biggest complaints. Also the ammo thing is retarded since anyone can use any kind of ammo on a gun if they can put it in the stupid clip. Just make it part of the inventory in the next game and whaddyaknow? Two big complaints solved.

The biotics and tech powers are a bigger issue. Biotics are next to useless in ME2 aside from Warp, Charge, and Pull. Tech powers are nifty, but neural shock is now useless nor is there an ability like sabotage in ME1.

Oh and Reave is decent, too.

I've killed YMIR"s with throw and pull before.

Have you never seen singularity in this game?

Biotics useless? Really? did you play on casual or something because I was able to use them to devestate my enemies, even just using my teamates powers.

[Buzyfe]

All to my own opinion... the things I disliked about ME1, they changed it.

But at the same time, to my dismay... the things I liked about ME1... they changed as well.

Bring together the positive points of both games and ME3 should be a riot.

[ResidentNoob]

In my opinion, ME1=ME2. They both have certain flaws, but are both epic games in their own right. However, in order to make ME3 the most epic game of all time (which is what I sense that Bioware are trying to do), then these forums are the best way for them to get fan feedback; they just need to sort out who is just whining about how bad ME2 was, and who is making some sensible suggestions for improvement.



P.S. Congrats to the OP for voicing his thoughts in a civilised manner. I swear, most of these 'ME2 was bad' threads are full of people needlessly whining about everything.

[A Fhaol Bhig]

Buzyfe wrote...

All to my own opinion... the things I disliked about ME1, they changed it.

But at the same time, to my dismay... the things I liked about ME1... they changed as well.

Bring together the positive points of both games and ME3 should be a riot.

I think ME2 is the better game, but thats just what I think.

BUt like you said, bring the faults of both to light, and ME3 will be 4.5 of a game.

[KotOREffecT]

ResidentNoob wrote...

P.S. Congrats to the OP for voicing his thoughts in a civilised manner. I swear, most of these 'ME2 was bad' threads are full of people needlessly whining about everything.

At times, a lot of it doesn't even make much sense as well.. Not to mention some of the things people whine about are really not that drastic, but then there are some things worth whining about like scanning, mako exploration being cut, etc..

Modifié par KotOREffecT, 03 mars 2010 - 11:02 .

[A Fhaol Bhig]

KotOREffecT wrote...

ResidentNoob wrote...

P.S. Congrats to the OP for voicing his thoughts in a civilised manner. I swear, most of these 'ME2 was bad' threads are full of people needlessly whining about everything.

At times, a lot of it doesn't even make much sense as well.. Not to mention some of the things people whine about are really not that drastic, but then there are some things worth whining about like scanning, mako exploration being cut, etc..

You can post what you think, but that doesn't mean people will care.

Some people just post to try to rile people up, some people complain because they have the right to (and we don't care to listen) other times their just jerks about it.

[Murmillos]

nelly21 wrote...

@ pho3nlxl
 story element like Noveria where it was: drive for six minutes, shoot missle tower, drive for five minutes, shoot geth, drive for five minutes, cutscene.

Let me guess.. you had "driving" issues with the Mako?.. combat took longer on the snow trail then it did driving it - and that was even using the mako to kill everything.  Honestly, that stretch is at best 4 minutes long at best combined on mako, 7 minutes if you jump out to kill on foot.

While you may have been trying to make a point, using usless claims as such waters down what ever point you were trying to make.

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For what its worth, I find ME1 better in almost every conceivable way. The only thing I find ME2 do better, is giving the 3 half classes unique skills.

Hell, even doing the omni-gel'ing everything is not as bad as it seems, because of the given illusion of real gear. (also to note - I DO NOT use the Spectre weapons, nor do I mod my weapons to fire non stop).

And for the mountains/exploring/Mako from ME1 - there are only 7-9 worlds that are truly painful to drive on. All the others are perfectly fine - if not, but yes - bland.

ME2 just got a lot of things wrong; it no longer feels big or "grand".. to many things are broken or just feel wrong and out of place.  To much was changed - when a slight fix was all that we requested for.

Modifié par Murmillos, 03 mars 2010 - 11:18 .

[Habelo]

I thinkthe first game was much better, i think ME was the best game of all times.



ME2 was good but did not have the story and epicness of the first, one thing i think this is- is becuse bioware listened to the retards on this forum who do not know what they do like. ME2 felt like it was building up for ME3 though, so i have really high hopes for that game. It is gonna ****ing rokk!

[A Fhaol Bhig]

Murmillos wrote...

nelly21 wrote...

@ pho3nlxl
 story element like Noveria where it was: drive for six minutes, shoot missle tower, drive for five minutes, shoot geth, drive for five minutes, cutscene.

Let me guess.. you had "driving" issues with the Mako?.. combat took longer on the snow trail then it did driving it - and that was even using the mako to kill everything.  Honestly, that stretch is at best 4 minutes long at best combined on mako, 7 minutes if you jump out to kill on foot.

While you may have been trying to make a point, using usless claims as such waters down what ever point you were trying to make.

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For what its worth, I find ME1 better in almost every conceivable way. The only thing I find ME2 do better, is giving the 3 half classes unique skills.

Hell, even doing the omni-gel'ing everything is not as bad as it seems, because of the given illusion of real gear. (also to note - I DO NOT use the Spectre weapons, nor do I mod my weapons to fire non stop).

And for the mountains/exploring/Mako from ME1 - there are only 7-9 worlds that are truly painful to drive on. All the others are perfectly fine - if not, but yes - bland.

ME2 just got a lot of things wrong; it no longer feels big or "grand".. to many things are broken or just feel wrong and out of place.  To much was changed - when a slight fix was all that we requested for.

I believe I said that somewhere here too, glad to see someone else thinks the samething as me.

[javierabegazo]

Please direct disappoints to an already established thread

http://social.biowar...ndex/1472797/10