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[The Angry One]

Busomjack wrote...

The reason I'm making an issue out of this is because like it or not gender does factor into strength.  It's just the way humans evolved.  Women have to work harder to be stronger than men, but the only difference between male and female Shepard is gender, so that should mean male Shepard is stronger than female Shepard.

And you again ignore the fact that they achieved the same position. Which means they have the same abilities and similar strength REGARDLESS OF HOW IT WAS DONE, IT WAS DONE. End of story.

Moreover you are NOT saying "oh ManShep should be a little stronger" you're saying that FemShep should be weaker to the point that she can't deck Zaeed.

[Lightice_av]

And ask women how they would like to go alone into combat against men, without male support.

OK. I'm sure that those 309 guys would have loved to know that any man can kick any woman's ass.

[Akka le Vil]

Darkened Dragon wrote...

Alright I need to drop my 2 cents in on this one, even though its troll bait so I'm only gonna reply once. As a male who has seen a hellova lot, studied martial arts, and had some anatomical and physiological schooling.

[...]

Third Point: (This one I already seen mentioned once) Size and brute strength are nothing in comparison to skill and agility when in a fight. Women, due to their muscular build being more tightly wound, does make them more agile. Combine that with skill and shock value of being clocked by what you feel is inferior, the opponent is gonna be knocked back and caught off guard.

That's Hollywood clichés, not studies

[Zyrious]

The Angry One wrote...

Peer of the Empire wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

You know there are some guys in this thread who would get their asses kicked so hard by a woman.

Like you?  >

I'm not a soldier or much of a fighter but I bet I could..

Men make better soldiers.  It is what we evolved for.  Stronger, calmer, ferocious, action-oriented.

And ask women how they would like to go alone into combat against men, without male support.

Actually men evolved to be hunter-gatherers. So go out and hunt.

Mankind is different from monkeys. Even in our earliest evolutionary stages, we formed competetive tribal nations. Men would be charged with not only fighting eachother for leadership, but with killing off other tribes in order to get food. Mankind almost died off because there was very little food we could get, so we often fought eachother for it. The idea of national borders and fighting for resources has existed since man first learned to walk. Which means the use of warriors and leaders and tacticians has existed since the dawn of man.

Modifié par Zyrious, 02 mars 2010 - 11:23 .

[The Angry One]

Zyrious wrote...

Women can be aggressive, but that is a refined aggressiveness. Women, by the hand of god or nature itself, do not have the raw, bucket-loads of adrenaline that men do. Testosterone is some powerful ****. And it's like i said, men have incorporated their aggressiveness into our modern culture, i've seen two guys duke it out and get along the next day. Sometimes you HAVE to let out your anger. Did you know men holding in pent up anger can form pathelogical/mental disorders? And yelling is half as effective for men.

I mean how hard is it to concede that "Yes, Men and women are different?". How much evidence do we need? How many scientists and professors need to be fired and scolded, every time they have proof for differences between the two genders, in the name of political correctness?

Who said there aren't differences? The point is as society develops, the more natural differences are mitigated.
Yes testosterone will make a man on average more aggressive than a woman, but this isn't a cast iron rule, there are plenty of level-headed men and bull-headed aggressive women.
Nature is the beginning, not the end.

[Busomjack]

The Angry One wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

The reason I'm making an issue out of this is because like it or not gender does factor into strength.  It's just the way humans evolved.  Women have to work harder to be stronger than men, but the only difference between male and female Shepard is gender, so that should mean male Shepard is stronger than female Shepard.

And you again ignore the fact that they achieved the same position. Which means they have the same abilities and similar strength REGARDLESS OF HOW IT WAS DONE, IT WAS DONE. End of story.

Moreover you are NOT saying "oh ManShep should be a little stronger" you're saying that FemShep should be weaker to the point that she can't deck Zaeed.

I'm not ignoring the fact that they achieved the same rank, but that doesn't mean they're equal strength.  That is like saying every Navy Seal is equally efficient.  It's not true.

[Lightice_av]

That is like saying every Navy Seal is equally efficient. It's not true.

You are saying that FemShep is too weak to even throw a punch. There's a fairly big difference between those two variations.

[Sharn01]

Busomjack wrote...

cutthecameras wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

I don't see the logic in that.  Not everyone makes it to N7 rank.  Like it was stated earlier, the testing standards for N7 rank are ridiculously high.

fixd

Passing it still doesn't mean they're all equal.  Even the best compete with each other.

Your origonal post was not, there may be small differences even between the best of the best.

Your origonal post is: DER DER femShep should get laughed at by the people she punches.

[The Angry One]

Busomjack wrote...

I'm not ignoring the fact that they achieved the same rank, but that doesn't mean they're equal strength.  That is like saying every Navy Seal is equally efficient.  It's not true.

When it comes to N7, yes it does. There may be variances, but N7 is the best of the best.
They wouldn't take people who couldn't overpower some old merc.

[Zyrious]

The Angry One wrote...

Zyrious wrote...

Women can be aggressive, but that is a refined aggressiveness. Women, by the hand of god or nature itself, do not have the raw, bucket-loads of adrenaline that men do. Testosterone is some powerful ****. And it's like i said, men have incorporated their aggressiveness into our modern culture, i've seen two guys duke it out and get along the next day. Sometimes you HAVE to let out your anger. Did you know men holding in pent up anger can form pathelogical/mental disorders? And yelling is half as effective for men.

I mean how hard is it to concede that "Yes, Men and women are different?". How much evidence do we need? How many scientists and professors need to be fired and scolded, every time they have proof for differences between the two genders, in the name of political correctness?

Who said there aren't differences? The point is as society develops, the more natural differences are mitigated.
Yes testosterone will make a man on average more aggressive than a woman, but this isn't a cast iron rule, there are plenty of level-headed men and bull-headed aggressive women.
Nature is the beginning, not the end.

Society works around nature, nature doesnt work around society. Society can't make those differences go away. It can MITIGATE them, but it can't make them go away. There are severe and defined differences between men and women, differences that will exist atleast for another several million years, assuming medical advances do not outright hault all evolution within our species (Genetic screening). It is not a "slight" difference between a man and a woman. It is an entire ****ing chromosone.

[Goat_Shepard]

Busomjack wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

The reason I'm making an issue out of this is because like it or not gender does factor into strength.  It's just the way humans evolved.  Women have to work harder to be stronger than men, but the only difference between male and female Shepard is gender, so that should mean male Shepard is stronger than female Shepard.

And you again ignore the fact that they achieved the same position. Which means they have the same abilities and similar strength REGARDLESS OF HOW IT WAS DONE, IT WAS DONE. End of story.

Moreover you are NOT saying "oh ManShep should be a little stronger" you're saying that FemShep should be weaker to the point that she can't deck Zaeed.

I'm not ignoring the fact that they achieved the same rank, but that doesn't mean they're equal strength.  That is like saying every Navy Seal is equally efficient.  It's not true.

There are no female CO's irl, that is where people are going to form different opinions. It's true for the ME-Universe but not irl. Correct me if I'm wrong about no female CO's, I'm trying to be neutral.

[yoshibb]

I don't know why we're even trying at this point. They are not listening. We are not talking about lifting a car, we are talking about delivering a punch. A punch that would throw someone reeling. If a woman punches you in the right spot on the face, you will feel it. It will hurt just as much. That is all there is to it.

[Busomjack]

Lightice_av wrote...

That is like saying every Navy Seal is equally efficient. It's not true.

You are saying that FemShep is too weak to even throw a punch. There's a fairly big difference between those two variations.

Hyperbole.  Female Shepard may be able to throw a punch but it is illogical that her punches should do as much damage as a male Shepard's considering the natural strength advantages a male has.

[Lightice_av]

There are no female CO's irl, that is where people are going to form different opinions. It's true for the ME-Universe but not irl. Correct me if I'm wrong about no female CO's, I'm trying to be neutral.

The world isn't America. This doesn't apply to most Western nations. And even the American "support troops" see a plenty of groundside action, these days.

Hyperbole.  Female Shepard may be able to throw a punch

You said yourself that she shouldn't.

but it
is illogical that her punches should do as much damage as a male
Shepard's considering the natural strength advantages a male has.[

 
As I said, when your nose is punched it, it doesn't matter just how many psis was involved - your nose is busted, and that's that. A woman can throw a dangerous, potentially deadly punch just as well as man. It doesn't have the same absolute level of strength behind it, but the end result is identical.

Modifié par Lightice_av, 02 mars 2010 - 11:29 .

[The Angry One]

Zyrious wrote...

Society works around nature, nature doesnt work around society. Society can't make those differences go away. It can MITIGATE them, but it can't make them go away. There are severe and defined differences between men and women, differences that will exist atleast for another several million years, assuming medical advances do not outright hault all evolution within our species (Genetic screening). It is not a "slight" difference between a man and a woman. It is an entire ****ing chromosone.

Uh yeah, that's what I said. Mitigate.
You seem to be under the impression that we can't achieve similar results even with our differences. I submit that we can.
Again, the strongest woman may not be as strong as the strongest man, but women can and have competed on similar levels with men, and as we advance more into the future this will only become more common.

[Sharn01]

Goat_Shepard wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

The reason I'm making an issue out of this is because like it or not gender does factor into strength.  It's just the way humans evolved.  Women have to work harder to be stronger than men, but the only difference between male and female Shepard is gender, so that should mean male Shepard is stronger than female Shepard.

And you again ignore the fact that they achieved the same position. Which means they have the same abilities and similar strength REGARDLESS OF HOW IT WAS DONE, IT WAS DONE. End of story.

Moreover you are NOT saying "oh ManShep should be a little stronger" you're saying that FemShep should be weaker to the point that she can't deck Zaeed.

I'm not ignoring the fact that they achieved the same rank, but that doesn't mean they're equal strength.  That is like saying every Navy Seal is equally efficient.  It's not true.

There are no female CO's irl, that is where people are going to form different opinions. It's true for the ME-Universe but not irl. Correct me if I'm wrong about no female CO's, I'm trying to be neutral.

There is a crap ton of female CO's in every western based military, even the United States where there is the greatest disparity in the treatment of women in the military.

[Goat_Shepard]

justinnstuff wrote...

Femshep headbutting the Krogan is another LoL moment.

Another reason Idk if I'll be able to play FemShep. I do wonder if Shepard should be cross-eyed with his tongue hanging out from brain damage after 3-4 Beacon mind-meldings and then headbutting a Krogan 

[Lord Abrasion]

Llandaryn wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

One example is during Zaeed's loyalty mission while playing as a paragon.  Do you think a punch coming from a woman would really hurt someone as badass and mean as Zaeed?

They should've had her kick him in the balls or something.

Also during the renegade interrogation scene, do you really think it would be possible for a female Shepard to cause a man to bruise so easily?

Do you really think a human female would have the strength to do that to a male Turian considering that Turians are supposed to be physically stronger than humans?

Also, female Shepard carrying Kaiden on her shoulders?  No woman is strong enough to do that.

Alliance soldiers are given gene therapy to enhance their strength and endurance.

Next?

One of the Heavy Skin Weave upgrades increases Shepard's melee damage by 25%. Some kind of synthetic fibers used to strengthen the muscles.

[The Angry One]

Busomjack wrote...

Hyperbole.  Female Shepard may be able to throw a punch but it is illogical that her punches should do as much damage as a male Shepard's considering the natural strength advantages a male has.

Despite all the evidence saying otherwise.
Look, for the 500th time, even if ManShep has more natural strength, FemShep's punch IS STILL GOING TO HURT LIKE HELL and thus achieve the same results. The end.

[Goat_Shepard]

The Angry One wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

Hyperbole.  Female Shepard may be able to throw a punch but it is illogical that her punches should do as much damage as a male Shepard's considering the natural strength advantages a male has.

Despite all the evidence saying otherwise.
Look, for the 500th time, even if ManShep has more natural strength, FemShep's punch IS STILL GOING TO HURT LIKE HELL and thus achieve the same results. The end.

Which is why this thread is moo. 

[Busomjack]

Even if it does hurt it shouldn't have the same damage potential as a male Shepard's. That just defies logic.

[DiscipleofUranus]

Your stupidity defies logic, end of story

Modifié par DiscipleofUranus, 02 mars 2010 - 11:31 .

[The Angry One]

Goat_Shepard wrote...

justinnstuff wrote...

Femshep headbutting the Krogan is another LoL moment.

Another reason Idk if I'll be able to play FemShep. I do wonder if Shepard should be cross-eyed with his tongue hanging out from brain damage after 3-4 Beacon mind-meldings and then headbutting a Krogan 

Okay, you're headbutting a KROGAN, with a PLATE OF BONE ON HIS HEAD.
That's going to freaking hurt like god damn hell for either gender, and it's doubtful the strongest man in the world would daze a Krogan like that.
In other words the scene is equally unlikely for both genders. Just imagine that Shep has a metal plate in their forehead now or something.

[Peer of the Empire]

Talk about moving the goalposts.

So a woman can punch. Big deal. Men are stronger than women. It's very dangerous for a woman to start fights.  And when it's not, it's just proved my point

As for United States military, we are also the best military and the only one doing any real fighting. And them support troops sure accounted themselves real well, didn't they

Modifié par Peer of the Empire, 02 mars 2010 - 11:34 .