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[7th_Phoenix]

Busomjack wrote...

7th_Phoenix wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

7th_Phoenix wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

mycroft77 wrote...

She's a freaking cyborg.

STOP FEEDING THE TROLL.

Male Shepard is a cyborg too, what is your point?

The point is they may share the same amount of strength.

So you're saying that some cybernetic implants somehow nullify the strength differences between genders?  That doesn't make any sense.  

I'm not saying there's nullification. As far as we know, the implants made Shepard stronger than he/she was -- male or female. Being that he/she is half machine, I don't think they would have given much thought to lessening the commander's ability to punch someone simply because she was female. Why are you making this such a big matter of the genders? Being male or female should not have to dictate one's strength.

I need to bring my grandmother so she can teach you a lesson. I'll ask her to bring her friends while I'm at it... her left and right fists.

There is nothing to suggest that Shepard is half machine.  He looks mostly organic with just a few cybernetic implants here and there.
The reason I'm making an issue out of this is because like it or not gender does factor into strength.  It's just the way humans evolved.  Women have to work harder to be stronger than men, but the only difference between male and female Shepard is gender, so that should mean male Shepard is stronger than female Shepard.

A cyborg is someone who is aided by or dependent on mechanical, electronic, cybernetic devices -- so technically.

Of course, women have to work harder to be stronger than men -- that how's women do it! When females build up their strength and actually put themselves through some work out, they can be stronger than a man believe or not. As far as the game goes, I think you're out of luck on that wanting a male to be stronger than a female. BioWare would not care adjust such a mundane detail because they are better than that.

[Lightice_av]

and the only one doing any real fighting.

Pfff....Hehheeeehehee! Tell that to an Israelite.

It's very dangerous for a woman to start fights

Ditto for men, pal.

[The Angry One]

Peer of the Empire wrote...

So a woman can punch. Big deal. Men are stronger than women. It's very dangerous for a woman to start fights

Depends on the woman don't it.

As for United States military, we are also the best military and the only one doing any real fighting. And them support troops sure accounted for themselves real well, didn't they

Yeah that's why you guys are always whining to the rest of us for troop support.
Only ones fighting my ass.

[WillieStyle]

justinnstuff wrote...

Femshep headbutting the Krogan is another LoL moment.

It's silly to object specifically to this.  From everthing we know about Krogen, Male Shep headbutting a Krogan should also be a "LoL moment."

[Vaenier]

Op is sexist.

[Goat_Shepard]

The Angry One wrote...

Goat_Shepard wrote...

justinnstuff wrote...

Femshep headbutting the Krogan is another LoL moment.

Another reason Idk if I'll be able to play FemShep. I do wonder if Shepard should be cross-eyed with his tongue hanging out from brain damage after 3-4 Beacon mind-meldings and then headbutting a Krogan 

Okay, you're headbutting a KROGAN, with a PLATE OF BONE ON HIS HEAD.
That's going to freaking hurt like god damn hell for either gender, and it's doubtful the strongest man in the world would daze a Krogan like that.
In other words the scene is equally unlikely for both genders. Just imagine that Shep has a metal plate in their forehead now or something.

This is what I imagine Shepard should look after those dozen mind-meldings and the Krogan headbutt 

[Akka le Vil]

justinnstuff wrote...

Femshep headbutting the Krogan is another LoL moment.

Considering it's a KROGAN (yeah, the kind of beast that can take a bullet in the chest and just grunt and smile), I think that the whole headbutting was a LOL moment whatever the version of your Shep is
Though they played it relatively well, the Krogan being rather vexed than hurt, and Shep having obviously some backlash from the headbut ^^

[The Angry One]

Goat_Shepard wrote...
This is what I imagine Shepard should look after those dozen mind-meldings and the Krogan headbutt 

I always wanted a scene afterwards when Uvenk is out of sight and Shep goings "Ooooooooooowww **** if I ever try to do that again, shoot me!" *collapses*

[DiscipleofUranus]

Peer of the Empire wrote...

Talk about moving the goalposts.

So a woman can punch. Big deal. Men are stronger than women. It's very dangerous for a woman to start fights.  And when it's not, it's just proved my point

As for United States military, we are also the best military and the only one doing any real fighting. And them support troops sure accounted themselves real well, didn't they

Interesting, if you're the only ones fighting, how come British Soliders have died due to American friendly fire ?

[The Angry One]

Akka le Vil wrote...

justinnstuff wrote...

Femshep headbutting the Krogan is another LoL moment.

Considering it's a KROGAN (yeah, the kind of beast that can take a bullet in the chest and just grunt and smile), I think that the whole headbutting was a LOL moment whatever the version of your Shep is
Though they played it relatively well, the Krogan being rather vexed than hurt, and Shep having obviously some backlash from the headbut ^^

This is true, Shep looks a little dazed and Uvenk is more like "How DARE you.", as it was more of an insult than an attempt at physical harm.
I still think Shep should've suffered a bit more for it though.

[Peer of the Empire]

The Angry One wrote...

Peer of the Empire wrote...

So a woman can punch. Big deal. Men are stronger than women. It's very dangerous for a woman to start fights

Depends on the woman don't it.

Let's see how many women win or are even willing to go into physical confrontations to the death with men.

As for United States military, we are also the best military and the only one doing any real fighting. And them support troops sure accounted for themselves real well, didn't they

Yeah that's why you guys are always whining to the rest of us for troop support.
Only ones fighting my ass.

We appreciate the noble sacrifice of your lives, ma'am!

Modifié par Peer of the Empire, 02 mars 2010 - 11:36 .

[Lightice_av]

Let's see how many women win or are even willing to go into physical confrontations to the death with men.

Yep, those 309 guys really showed her.

[Sphynx118]

Peer of the Empire wrote...

Talk about moving the goalposts.

So a woman can punch. Big deal. Men are stronger than women. It's very dangerous for a woman to start fights.  And when it's not, it's just proved my point

As for United States military, we are also the best military and the only one doing any real fighting. And them support troops sure accounted themselves real well, didn't they

Im sorry what? The american army is the best army? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Peer of the Empire]

Lightice_av wrote...

Let's see how many women win or are even willing to go into physical confrontations to the death with men.

Yep, those 309 guys really showed her.

Actually this is very interesting.  Women might make good snipers.  Nevertheless, this has nothing to do with physical confrontations to the death and nothing to do with OP

[Zyrious]

The Angry One wrote...

Zyrious wrote...

Society works around nature, nature doesnt work around society. Society can't make those differences go away. It can MITIGATE them, but it can't make them go away. There are severe and defined differences between men and women, differences that will exist atleast for another several million years, assuming medical advances do not outright hault all evolution within our species (Genetic screening). It is not a "slight" difference between a man and a woman. It is an entire ****ing chromosone.

Uh yeah, that's what I said. Mitigate.
You seem to be under the impression that we can't achieve similar results even with our differences. I submit that we can.
Again, the strongest woman may not be as strong as the strongest man, but women can and have competed on similar levels with men, and as we advance more into the future this will only become more common.

In this thread we've been debating on a strength based argument. There are OTHER differences with women that bring up huge issues within military and other settings that i will not discuss as that's a whole other can of worms which would require a thread dedicated to it, where i could then bring in statistical reports, on-field analysis, statements from various generals, and....biology. Anatomy..

I'm not saying a punch by femshep wouldn't hurt. It would. That armor alone would probably snap your neck if you got hit by it. I just tried to correct the supposition that somehow women are no different than men and that they have the same exact capabilities that can be achieved from the same exact training. No, femshep would need more increased training, and regardless, she would not look the way she does ingame. She would not be cuddly femshep.

Men and women are designed by a base set of genetic goals. Men are hunter-gathers, killers, defenders, and leaders, and though they dont always fill that role in today's society, their genetics still attempt to give them all the tools in order to accomplish said goals.

Women do not have that genetic designation. They must achieve that goal by working against their genetics. It is why women must work twice as hard, eat twice as healthily, and still have a variety of inconveniences to burden.

Now, i should probably find some cover before someone shoot's me. I honestly mean no offense by this to any women here... *hears gunshots* *runs*

Modifié par Zyrious, 02 mars 2010 - 11:41 .

[Akka le Vil]

FaintlyAlarmed wrote...

I think (considering the cybernetics) that both male and female Shepard are holding back during cutscenes. If you want to believe that female Shep is holding back less, then go right ahead.

Probably the fairest point about the whole subject.

And the mélée damage is overtuned for both the male and female Shep. Killing someone in armor or a Krogan because you hit them with the butt of a weapon is just WTF.

[Peer of the Empire]

Sphynx118 wrote...

Peer of the Empire wrote...

Talk about moving the goalposts.

So a woman can punch. Big deal. Men are stronger than women. It's very dangerous for a woman to start fights.  And when it's not, it's just proved my point

As for United States military, we are also the best military and the only one doing any real fighting. And them support troops sure accounted themselves real well, didn't they

Im sorry what? The american army is the best army? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Up to you to prove us wrong, baby! 

[Goat_Shepard]

Sphynx118 wrote...

Peer of the Empire wrote...

Talk about moving the goalposts.

So a woman can punch. Big deal. Men are stronger than women. It's very dangerous for a woman to start fights.  And when it's not, it's just proved my point

As for United States military, we are also the best military and the only one doing any real fighting. And them support troops sure accounted themselves real well, didn't they

Im sorry what? The american army is the best army? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

My friend Mr. Atom Bomb says we gots the best army  oh and it was developed by a MAN so there argument resolved.
I'm joking of course, gunna play some ME2 now.

[The Angry One]

Peer of the Empire wrote...

Lightice_av wrote...

Let's see how many women win or are even willing to go into physical confrontations to the death with men.

Yep, those 309 guys really showed her.

Actually this is very interesting.  Women might make good snipers.  Nevertheless, this has nothing to do with physical confrontations to the death and nothing to do with OP

It's got to do with tactical ability and the willingness to kill for one thing which some men think the "ladieeees" [/Ashley voice] lack.
Moreover what confrontation are you talking about? I assure you some women can and do get in physical confrontations. Yes with men.
Are you speaking of say, one woman vs. 10 men? Yeah that'd be stupid. But then so would one man vs. 10 men unless it's a kung fu movie, in which case odds are in the favor of the hero of either gender.

[Lightice_av]

Nevertheless, this has nothing to do with physical confrontations to the death and nothing to do with OP

Women, properly trained, fit into any aspect of the military. Israel's army proves as much, any day.

Women do not have that genetic designation.

"Genetic designation." Seriously, are you going to go into the Aryan master race, next? Genes play a part in human behaviour, but a tiny one compared to the other elements. If you imagine that genes determine everything in your life, you're two steps away from invoking a Godwin.

Modifié par Lightice_av, 02 mars 2010 - 11:44 .

[Rodriguer2000]

damn why is everyone defending female shepard how to you know she went through serious marine training for some of you guys she was just a damn spacer kid.maybe if you picked ruthless or earthborn she would be tough as nails but you cant just go and assume things either i know the op did too but still...

[TuringPoint]

Busomjack wrote...

I played through the game as a Renegade/Paragon mix female Shepard and I think that some of the more violent scenes were just silly.

One example is during Zaeed's loyalty mission while playing as a paragon.  Do you think a punch coming from a woman would really hurt someone as badass and mean as Zaeed?

They should've had her kick him in the balls or something.

Also during the renegade interrogation scene, do you really think it would be possible for a female Shepard to cause a man to bruise so easily?

I had this problem with the first game too.  Remember when Saren picks up Shepard and Shepard punches him and that causes him to drop her?

Do you really think a human female would have the strength to do that to a male Turian considering that Turians are supposed to be physically stronger than humans?

Also, female Shepard carrying Kaiden on her shoulders?  No woman is strong enough to do that.

Two words:

Space marine.

Or:

Genetic enhancement

Or: 

Cybernetics

[Sphynx118]

Peer of the Empire wrote...

Sphynx118 wrote...

Peer of the Empire wrote...

Talk about moving the goalposts.

So a woman can punch. Big deal. Men are stronger than women. It's very dangerous for a woman to start fights.  And when it's not, it's just proved my point

As for United States military, we are also the best military and the only one doing any real fighting. And them support troops sure accounted themselves real well, didn't they

Im sorry what? The american army is the best army? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Up to you to prove us wrong, baby! 

Nah ill let the talibans fighting with rusty ak 47 and an RPG from the cold war do that Np, Np