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BBC. It's the British Broadcasting Channel, or something like that.

[ToshiStation38]

Busomjack wrote...

Yeah, and despite your government's prime minister getting on his knees for Bush, you guys re-elected him anways.  Way to take responsibility for your government!

Can you say "FLAME BAIT"?

EDIT: You too, Mavi. I am disappointed in ye.

Modifié par ToshiStation38, 03 mars 2010 - 12:46 .

[The Angry One]

MKATAKM wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

MKATAKM wrote...

You are standing on a wrong point. Both Sheps had the same training and skills. The only difference is gender. That is more enough for the male Shep to singlehandedly beat the female Shep.

So two people in the same elite rank of the military, and one will always beat the other because of gender?
Ugh, it's no use talking with some people.

I was not talking about two people in the same elite rank of the military.
I agree with you on at least one thing. Some people never listen and never understand.

Since you're talking about Shep vs. Shep, yes you are.
Try again.

[Goat_Shepard]

Lightice_av wrote...

what is the bcc? i hear that name alot

Google exists pal. Use it.

BBC lol  BURLINGTON COUNTY COLLEGE WTH!

[tropicalwave]

"there are no woman in the special forces,...ever wonderd why? cause they are not up for it. there body cant endure the tasks and challenges it brings" The said very similar things to women in West Point and have been proven wrong. The U.S. Military is still the biggest boys club I know of. Women in the military have to do more and be able to do more then men just to prove that they can do what they men are doing. They are treated badly and left out of a lot of duties because of the argument that they can't handle it.



I can tell you I couldn't handle it but I did it anyways, 20 years ago. I know most of the women that I worked with were stronger and more able to do things then I could because in order to maintain they had to be.



It is true that men can gain strength easier then women and that men can gain more strength then women but this is an extreme. With equal training and equal skills I have yet to see a women that can't hold her own. If all things are equal (they can press the same approx size, they have the same training, etc.) they can do the same things.



I can tell you I would never tell a woman in the military, the police or any other trained profession that she couldn't punch like a man. That would just cause my nose to bleed or some other painful experience that I woudn't want.

[drunken pyromaniac]

[Busomjack]

I hate it how everything that isn't 100 percent agreeable is automatically considered trolling.



Is there really no tolerance at all on these forums for discourse?

[Rebel_Guy]

drunken pyromaniac wrote...

Pretty sure they left a long time ago... and left them arguing 



EDIT: NVM 

Modifié par Rebel_Guy, 03 mars 2010 - 12:48 .

[Sphynx118]

tropicalwave wrote...

"there are no woman in the special forces,...ever wonderd why? cause they are not up for it. there body cant endure the tasks and challenges it brings" The said very similar things to women in West Point and have been proven wrong. The U.S. Military is still the biggest boys club I know of. Women in the military have to do more and be able to do more then men just to prove that they can do what they men are doing. They are treated badly and left out of a lot of duties because of the argument that they can't handle it.

I can tell you I couldn't handle it but I did it anyways, 20 years ago. I know most of the women that I worked with were stronger and more able to do things then I could because in order to maintain they had to be.

It is true that men can gain strength easier then women and that men can gain more strength then women but this is an extreme. With equal training and equal skills I have yet to see a women that can't hold her own. If all things are equal (they can press the same approx size, they have the same training, etc.) they can do the same things.

I can tell you I would never tell a woman in the military, the police or any other trained profession that she couldn't punch like a man. That would just cause my nose to bleed or some other painful experience that I woudn't want.

You are the person who thought americans were a race a few pages back right? Im sorry i cant take you seriously

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To be fair, drunken, the forum was getting boring with all the LI threads. About time there was some drama.

[The Angry One]

Busomjack wrote...

I hate it how everything that isn't 100 percent agreeable is automatically considered trolling.

Is there really no tolerance at all on these forums for discourse?

Stop lying, you constantly interject your supposed "discourse" with "lol Zaeed and Saren should like totally own FemShep because she's just a woman!"

[Goat_Shepard]

tropicalwave wrote...

"there are no woman in the special forces,...ever wonderd why? cause they are not up for it. there body cant endure the tasks and challenges it brings" The said very similar things to women in West Point and have been proven wrong. The U.S. Military is still the biggest boys club I know of. Women in the military have to do more and be able to do more then men just to prove that they can do what they men are doing. They are treated badly and left out of a lot of duties because of the argument that they can't handle it.

I can tell you I couldn't handle it but I did it anyways, 20 years ago. I know most of the women that I worked with were stronger and more able to do things then I could because in order to maintain they had to be.

It is true that men can gain strength easier then women and that men can gain more strength then women but this is an extreme. With equal training and equal skills I have yet to see a women that can't hold her own. If all things are equal (they can press the same approx size, they have the same training, etc.) they can do the same things.

I can tell you I would never tell a woman in the military, the police or any other trained profession that she couldn't punch like a man. That would just cause my nose to bleed or some other painful experience that I woudn't want.

Thank you! And on-topic as well! The thread was "FemShep looks silly doing the things MaleShep does" which by all accounts is false. Someone can "feel" like it's silly, but the truth is FemShep does just like you said, "hold her own". I feel better about starting a FemShep playthrough soon 

[drunken pyromaniac]

Rebel_Guy wrote...

drunken pyromaniac wrote...

Pretty sure they left a long time ago... and left them arguing 



EDIT: NVM 

Want some popcorn?

[The Angry One]

tropicalwave wrote...

"there are no woman in the special forces,...ever wonderd why? cause they are not up for it. there body cant endure the tasks and challenges it brings" The said very similar things to women in West Point and have been proven wrong. The U.S. Military is still the biggest boys club I know of. Women in the military have to do more and be able to do more then men just to prove that they can do what they men are doing. They are treated badly and left out of a lot of duties because of the argument that they can't handle it.

I can tell you I couldn't handle it but I did it anyways, 20 years ago. I know most of the women that I worked with were stronger and more able to do things then I could because in order to maintain they had to be.

It is true that men can gain strength easier then women and that men can gain more strength then women but this is an extreme. With equal training and equal skills I have yet to see a women that can't hold her own. If all things are equal (they can press the same approx size, they have the same training, etc.) they can do the same things.

I can tell you I would never tell a woman in the military, the police or any other trained profession that she couldn't punch like a man. That would just cause my nose to bleed or some other painful experience that I woudn't want.

/topic

[BattleVisor]

oh btw to further antagonise people



Mass effect 2: Mark Meer > Jennifer Hale

[The Angry One]

Goat_Shepard wrote...

Thank you! And on-topic as well! The thread was "FemShep looks silly doing the things MaleShep does" which by all accounts is false. Someone can "feel" like it's silly, but the truth is FemShep does just like you said, "hold her own". I feel better about starting a FemShep playthrough soon 

Again the only outright silly thing is the Krogan headbutt.. which makes my head hurt just thinking about it.
But it's silly for both genders. Other than that, ME is the story of one tough BAMF who happens to be male or female.
Just remember, the Shep is the Shep, and the Shep > all else.

[Weskerr]

This is the good old Socratic Method at work.

As you read further and further into this thread, people on both sides of this argument become more and more absurd in their assertions.

Modifié par Weskerr, 03 mars 2010 - 12:56 .

[Akka le Vil]

The Angry One wrote...

Not really. I'm operating from a standpoint that skill and training can mitigate gender differences, especially as far as the game goes.

Skill and training improve effectiveness in fighting. It has nothing to do with gender difference, it simply allow someone to use better its physical abilities in a fight.
It improves just as much the effectiveness of a man than a woman.

Also, the Turian thing is the same as the Krogan. Turians appear to have a hard carapace or something like that. A human, male or female, punching them is equally "silly" and if you notice in ME1, Saren is hardly dazed at all, he's more affected by the crap going around him than the punches themselves.

It's specifically said in the Codex that the "metal plating" of the Turian is strictly about protecting them from radiation and that it doesn't confer them any kinetic protection.

Nope. Far, far from it.
Maybe if they stood still and were only allowed to hit one another
repeatedly, you'd have a point. But in an actual fight they'd be rather
evently matched.

As I said, you vastly underestimate the relevance of strength, size and mass.

Trust me, I know how unrealistic
action movie jumps are. But strength still becomes relevant only if you
manage to make the first contact in the fight. Yes, weaker party needs
to be more careful, but they can quite well win the fight if they make
their hit count.

Everyone "can" win a fight. If you have a knife, you only require to surprise your opponent for half a second to win. If you get a lucky punch, you can knock someone out even if he's stronger. Everything can happen in a fight. Doesn't mean nothing matter.

Strength is still a HUGE asset, that is very often under-evalued in theorical discussion - and usually more correctly evalued when people meet face-to-face, our instincts remind us of what millions years of evolution taught them.

Yes, but
who talks about averages? Average woman doesn't get combat training.
Female soldiers are anything but average.

And male soldiers aren't average men either.
If you're going to talk about non-average women, then use non-average men to compare. That was exactly my point

[The Angry One]

BattleVisor wrote...

oh btw to further antagonise people

Mass effect 2: Mark Meer > Jennifer Hale

You have a Tauren in your avatar, your post is invalid.

PS I know it's not a Tauren but that's all I think of when I look at it.

[Sphynx118]

BattleVisor wrote...

oh btw to further antagonise people

Mass effect 2: Mark Meer > Jennifer Hale

Why would you state the obvious truth?

[Rodriguer2000]

i wonder who would win in a fight a fat man or a fat female?

[MKATAKM]

The Angry One wrote...

MKATAKM wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

MKATAKM wrote...

You are standing on a wrong point. Both Sheps had the same training and skills. The only difference is gender. That is more enough for the male Shep to singlehandedly beat the female Shep.

So two people in the same elite rank of the military, and one will always beat the other because of gender?
Ugh, it's no use talking with some people.

I was not talking about two people in the same elite rank of the military.
I agree with you on at least one thing. Some people never listen and never understand.

Since you're talking about Shep vs. Shep, yes you are.
Try again.

Ah, I see that you may be actually listening. But no, you still don't understand. So, you try again.

[Goat_Shepard]

BattleVisor wrote...

oh btw to further antagonise people

Mass effect 2: Mark Meer > Jennifer Hale

Nah, off-topic.

The Angry One wrote...

Again the only outright silly thing is the Krogan headbutt.. which makes my head hurt just thinking about it.
But it's silly for both genders. Other than that, ME is the story of one tough BAMF who happens to be male or female.
Just remember, the Shep is the Shep, and the Shep > all else.

Haha you're BSing yourself, the first time you hit that Renegade interrupt you never felt more full of win 

[drunken pyromaniac]

Rodriguer2000 wrote...

i wonder who would win in a fight a fat man or a fat female?

Which one has the gun?

[The Angry One]

Akka le Vil wrote...

Skill and training improve effectiveness in fighting. It has nothing to do with gender difference, it simply allow someone to use better its physical abilities in a fight.
It improves just as much the effectiveness of a man than a woman.

Of course it does, but the fact remains a woman can achieve similar levels of combat effectiveness given enough training, even if it's harder.

It's specifically said in the Codex that the "metal plating" of the Turian is strictly about protecting them from radiation and that it doesn't confer them any kinetic protection.

It would still hurt like hell to punch one, I imagine.
Irrelevant though given that he's punched with a metal gauntlet.