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[MarginalBeast]

Haha, wow. You may not be sexist, but you certainly are ignorant. Do you have any idea how a good punch actually works? Trust me, a strong, enhanced female soldier just as Shepard is more than capable of dealing a powerful blow to just about anyone, male or female.

Modifié par MarginalBeast, 02 mars 2010 - 10:12 .

[The Angry One]

Busomjack wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

She has had gene therapy perhaps but she doesn't look any more muscular than your average in shape woman.  I think it's silly how her melee attacks take off just as much health as the male Shepard's.

ManShep doesn't exactly have a more muscular shape than the average in shape man, what's your damn point?

He still looks stronger than a woman yet he takes off the same amount of health with melee attacks...WTF?!

What? No he doesn't. He looks like a fit male, FemShep looks like a fit female. Again, you have no point.

[Busomjack]

Shepard looks tough for a female but the game treats Shepard as having equal strength regardless of gender. This doesn't make any sense considering how a male Shepard would obviously be stronger than a female Shepard by virtue of gender. It's just a biological fact.

[Marilynn-22]

The Angry One wrote...

The strongest woman may not be as physically strong as the strongest man, but there are plenty of women who are stronger than men, and muscle strength is not the sole defining factor in how a physical attack will connect and hurt.

So again, back to the bridge.

Well said Angry one

[Lambu1]

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[Skilled Seeker]

Busomjack wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

She has had gene therapy perhaps but she doesn't look any more muscular than your average in shape woman.  I think it's silly how her melee attacks take off just as much health as the male Shepard's.

ManShep doesn't exactly have a more muscular shape than the average in shape man, what's your damn point?

He still looks stronger than a woman yet he takes off the same amount of health with melee attacks...WTF?!

So you are saying we should handicap female players because you think they are weaker than males? You are such an ass.

[CmdrFenix83]

Llandaryn wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

One example is during Zaeed's loyalty mission while playing as a paragon.  Do you think a punch coming from a woman would really hurt someone as badass and mean as Zaeed?

They should've had her kick him in the balls or something.

Also during the renegade interrogation scene, do you really think it would be possible for a female Shepard to cause a man to bruise so easily?

Do you really think a human female would have the strength to do that to a male Turian considering that Turians are supposed to be physically stronger than humans?

Also, female Shepard carrying Kaiden on her shoulders?  No woman is strong enough to do that.

Alliance soldiers are given gene therapy to enhance their strength and endurance.

Next?

Not to mention(at least in ME2), she would have cybernetic augmentation.  One even improves her muscles to increase melee damage.

[Lightice_av]

He still looks stronger than a woman yet he takes off the same amount of health with melee attacks...WTF?!

"Looks", heh...

Newsflash, strength isn't in the looks. Skill most definately isn't in the looks, and half of throwing a good punch is pure skill.

[Llandaryn]

Busomjack wrote...

I'm not discounting possible gene therapy or her training but I don't think that is enough to make her equal in strength to a male Shepard.

I've seen women walking 3 miles to a shop with one kid on their hip and another in the pram, and then 3 miles back with kid + pram + 5 bags of shopping. Uphill, both ways, in the snow and barefoot.

And I guarantee you, if you were hit by a genetically enhanced female marine, it would hurt. You would probably cry.

[The Angry One]

Busomjack wrote...

Shepard looks tough for a female but the game treats Shepard as having equal strength regardless of gender. This doesn't make any sense considering how a male Shepard would obviously be stronger than a female Shepard by virtue of gender. It's just a biological fact.

Again you're making assumptions based PURELY on muscle mass and distribution, ignoring-

- Training
- Technique
- Armour
- Gene therapy

And the fact that pure muscle mass alone gets you nothing, it may be easier for a man to brute force than a woman but with the proper training it is in fact about equal.
Those body builders who gain excessive muscle-mass actually do so to the detriment of anything else.

[Busomjack]

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

Llandaryn wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

One example is during Zaeed's loyalty mission while playing as a paragon.  Do you think a punch coming from a woman would really hurt someone as badass and mean as Zaeed?

They should've had her kick him in the balls or something.

Also during the renegade interrogation scene, do you really think it would be possible for a female Shepard to cause a man to bruise so easily?

Do you really think a human female would have the strength to do that to a male Turian considering that Turians are supposed to be physically stronger than humans?

Also, female Shepard carrying Kaiden on her shoulders?  No woman is strong enough to do that.

Alliance soldiers are given gene therapy to enhance their strength and endurance.

Next?

Not to mention(at least in ME2), she would have cybernetic augmentation.  One even improves her muscles to increase melee damage.

Even if she did, wouldn't logic dictate that a male Shepard would also have such augmentations?  If so why would they be in equal strength as determined by the damage of melee attacks?

It doesn't necessarily cripple female Shepard by making her attacks weaker, they could've compensated by giving her more renegade/paragon points or something.  

[Busomjack]

You guys keep saying that I'm not taking into consideration the training, and gene therapy that a female Shepard would've gone through.

You're wrong, I am but since a male Shepard would also have had such enhancements that means that a male Shepard should be stronger since he has all the same upgrades as a female Shepard in addition to being a male which is on average biologically stronger.

[Skilled Seeker]

Busomjack wrote...

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

Llandaryn wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

One example is during Zaeed's loyalty mission while playing as a paragon.  Do you think a punch coming from a woman would really hurt someone as badass and mean as Zaeed?

They should've had her kick him in the balls or something.

Also during the renegade interrogation scene, do you really think it would be possible for a female Shepard to cause a man to bruise so easily?

Do you really think a human female would have the strength to do that to a male Turian considering that Turians are supposed to be physically stronger than humans?

Also, female Shepard carrying Kaiden on her shoulders?  No woman is strong enough to do that.

Alliance soldiers are given gene therapy to enhance their strength and endurance.

Next?

Not to mention(at least in ME2), she would have cybernetic augmentation.  One even improves her muscles to increase melee damage.

Even if she did, wouldn't logic dictate that a male Shepard would also have such augmentations?  If so why would they be in equal strength as determined by the damage of melee attacks?

It doesn't necessarily cripple female Shepard by making her attacks weaker, they could've compensated by giving her more renegade/paragon points or something.  

That idea is so terrible I won't bother arguing with you any longer.

[The Angry One]

Busomjack wrote...

Even if she did, wouldn't logic dictate that a male Shepard would also have such augmentations?  If so why would they be in equal strength as determined by the damage of melee attacks?

It doesn't necessarily cripple female Shepard by making her attacks weaker, they could've compensated by giving her more renegade/paragon points or something.  

Because the game developers aren't using your baseless assumptions to differenciate males and females.

[Lightice_av]

It doesn't necessarily cripple female Shepard by making her attacks weaker, they could've compensated by giving her more renegade/paragon points or something.

OK, we just know you're a troll now. Renegade/Paragon points have nothing to do with combat. And as I said, a woman's punch breaks bones as good as man's as long as she knows what she's doing. I've had a female martial arts instructor; I'd love to see you trying to take on her in fisticuffs.

[Busomjack]

Darht Jayder wrote...

These are strong words coming from someone named Busomjack. But who am I to disagree with the transgendered? He/she obviously has a first hand experience with man/woman strength.

I am not transgendered but your bigotry against transgendered individuals is not welcome here.  I kindly request you take it somewhere else.

[Llandaryn]

Busomjack wrote...

Even if she did, wouldn't logic dictate that a male Shepard would also have such augmentations?  If so why would they be in equal strength as determined by the damage of melee attacks?

It doesn't necessarily cripple female Shepard by making her attacks weaker, they could've compensated by giving her more renegade/paragon points or something.  

Are you one of those people who rolled their DnD characters 20,000 times to see if the female of each race do actually come out as the same as the males?

[CmdrFenix83]

Busomjack wrote...

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

Llandaryn wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

One example is during Zaeed's loyalty mission while playing as a paragon.  Do you think a punch coming from a woman would really hurt someone as badass and mean as Zaeed?

They should've had her kick him in the balls or something.

Also during the renegade interrogation scene, do you really think it would be possible for a female Shepard to cause a man to bruise so easily?

Do you really think a human female would have the strength to do that to a male Turian considering that Turians are supposed to be physically stronger than humans?

Also, female Shepard carrying Kaiden on her shoulders?  No woman is strong enough to do that.

Alliance soldiers are given gene therapy to enhance their strength and endurance.

Next?

Not to mention(at least in ME2), she would have cybernetic augmentation.  One even improves her muscles to increase melee damage.

Even if she did, wouldn't logic dictate that a male Shepard would also have such augmentations?  If so why would they be in equal strength as determined by the damage of melee attacks?

It doesn't necessarily cripple female Shepard by making her attacks weaker, they could've compensated by giving her more renegade/paragon points or something.  

LOL, that's just absurd.  Now I know you're a troll.  'give her more renegade/paragon points'.  Why didn' t you just suggest that she should have the option to seduce every male int he galaxy in lieu of charm/intim checks?  LOL, ******.

[Busomjack]

Lightice_av wrote...

It doesn't necessarily cripple female Shepard by making her attacks weaker, they could've compensated by giving her more renegade/paragon points or something.

OK, we just know you're a troll now. Renegade/Paragon points have nothing to do with combat. And as I said, a woman's punch breaks bones as good as man's as long as she knows what she's doing. I've had a female martial arts instructor; I'd love to see you trying to take on her in fisticuffs.

Skill can only go so far towards compensating for strength.  Plus, how do we know that female Shepard is any more skilled than male Shepard?

Assuming they have equal skill, that means male Shepard should have all the skills plus extra strength since he's male.  When you factor in everything it makes no sense that a female Shepard is just as strong as male Shepard.

Perhaps renegade/paragon points don't relate to the action but they do make it easier to diversify with dialogue choices which would be appealing to some players.

[the120Truth]

Chris H. Fleming wrote...

Lol, a female like Lucia Rijker or Laila Ali could easily knock you unconscious with one punch.

Female Shepard looks like she is a good 150-160lbs of muscle. Bigger than say, Pretty Boy Floyd.

there actually was a sports science episode on this and they basically determined that Rijker hits about as as hard as the male professional fighter they used at about the same weight

[Collider]

[tito01]

why isnt there women in the nfl lol

[Forsakerr]

what a troll , i used to be in the Canadian army (10 years) and it s known since a long time that artillery and infantry dont like each others (well i left since 10 years so things could have changed since then) anyhow one time there was a smoker (a kind of party with loads of people with people from artillery and infantry mixed up) a guy from the infantry came and acted tough and a woman from my unit punched the infantry guy and knocked him out cold with one punch so , that is a true story , so you d think that in the future women in the military cant knock people out ? troll fail