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[Goat_Shepard]

The Angry One wrote...

Akka le Vil wrote...

Skill and training improve effectiveness in fighting. It has nothing to do with gender difference, it simply allow someone to use better its physical abilities in a fight.
It improves just as much the effectiveness of a man than a woman.

Of course it does, but the fact remains a woman can achieve similar levels of combat effectiveness given enough training, even if it's harder.

It's specifically said in the Codex that the "metal plating" of the Turian is strictly about protecting them from radiation and that it doesn't confer them any kinetic protection.

It would still hurt like hell to punch one, I imagine.
Irrelevant though given that he's punched with a metal gauntlet.

And like Grunt says, "you gotta work the blade I guess". Then again Grunt also said Quarians aren't soft lol

[The Angry One]

MKATAKM wrote...

Ah, I see that you may be actually listening. But no, you still don't understand. So, you try again.

You automatically assume that one person of equal skill to another will win based on gender alone.
This argument is complete nonsense. They are both Shepard and have the same abilities, achieved the same grade and the same recognition. It would be 50/50.

[Forsakerr]

Peer of the Empire wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Lonely_Fat_Guy wrote...

there are no woman in the special forces,...ever wonderd why? cause they are not up for it. there body cant endure the tasks and challenges it brings.
these are FACTS

Another guy who assumes American special forces = the world.
I got news for you buddy, the way the American military operates isn't a benchmark for the rest of the world, some of which do accept women.

Ok, let's set up combat related physical competitions and see how the women do
Put them in harsh combat conditions for weeks
Ask women to go into combat against men with no male support whatsoever
Etc.

I think you know where this is going

haha, in WWII there were regiments of women in the German and Russian army with no men involved , found a link for you , also china had some

http://www.greatward...Warriors_01.htm

another one http://lothene.org/others/women20.html

Modifié par Forsakerr, 03 mars 2010 - 12:59 .

[The Angry One]

Goat_Shepard wrote...

And like Grunt says, "you gotta work the blade I guess". Then again Grunt also said Quarians aren't soft lol

Okeer gave him an imprint of Kal'Reegar and him alone, Grunt's views on Quarians are skewed.

[Lightice_av]

Strength is still a HUGE asset, that is very often under-evalued in theorical discussion - and usually more correctly evalued when people meet face-to-face, our instincts remind us of what millions years of evolution taught them.

I've heard plenty of discussion about the subject, but in my personal experience the masters tend to be relatively small, wiry men with slightly above average strength, huge endurance and phenomenal dexterity.

And male soldiers aren't average men either.

If you're going to talk about non-average women, then use non-average men to compare. That was exactly my point

Male soldiers are above average men, but not nearly as above average than female soldiers tend to be. It's possible for a guy to be a soldier and still slack off a lot, while the few women who choose military careers tend to be at the highest peak of fitness.

[Rodriguer2000]

and you guys automatically assume the op is trolling

[tropicalwave]

I did not say America was a race. I said the comment about Americans was racist, in the fact that based on one person being from American made all Americans hated. I am from American, it is the race I call myself. It is because I do not fit into any other category of races. White nor caucasion is a race, it is a skin color. So if being American is not a race then waht race am I?



As for saying that you can't listen to me because I said saying Americans are hated (which would include me and I never said such a thing, nor do I believe in it) is strange. Now since you believe it is racist to judge all Americans in one category what would you call it? No matter what label you put to it it is the same kind of hatred that racism and sexism is.

[Goat_Shepard]

The Angry One wrote...
Okeer gave him an imprint of Kal'Reegar and him alone, Grunt's views on Quarians are skewed. 

Are you lying?

The Angry One wrote...

MKATAKM wrote...

Ah, I see that you may be actually listening. But no, you still don't understand. So, you try again.

You automatically assume that one person of equal skill to another will win based on gender alone.
This argument is complete nonsense. They are both Shepard and have the same abilities, achieved the same grade and the same recognition. It would be 50/50.

I now officially want to have FemShep as a squaddie in ME3 if I choose MaleShep. They're "siblings" oh yes I can see it now.....*plays Aerosmith's Dream On full blast*

Modifié par Goat_Shepard, 03 mars 2010 - 01:00 .

[Rodriguer2000]

tropicalwave wrote...

I did not say America was a race. I said the comment about Americans was racist, in the fact that based on one person being from American made all Americans hated. I am from American, it is the race I call myself. It is because I do not fit into any other category of races. White nor caucasion is a race, it is a skin color. So if being American is not a race then waht race am I?

As for saying that you can't listen to me because I said saying Americans are hated (which would include me and I never said such a thing, nor do I believe in it) is strange. Now since you believe it is racist to judge all Americans in one category what would you call it? No matter what label you put to it it is the same kind of hatred that racism and sexism is.

america has all races thats why its awesome

[Lightice_av]

america has all races thats why its awesome

As does just about every Western country, and most non-Western ones these days. It's not exactly a matter to brag about any more. Back when it would have been America was still trying to keep non-Anglo-Saxons away.

[MKATAKM]

The Angry One wrote...

You automatically assume that one person of equal skill to another will win based on gender alone.
This argument is complete nonsense. They are both Shepard and have the same abilities, achieved the same grade and the same recognition. It would be 50/50.

Are you saying that male Shep won't have more muscles and hence more strength? Since they are same on every other aspect, male Shep must have an advantage there. Tell me what extra aspect of the female Shep will put her on an equal ground then?

[Esker02]

lol This thread - people are taking issue with nature for not being politically correct. Have we really gotten to this point? Generally speaking, women are weaker than men are - they're also less able to do physical things. This is why most jobs that have to do with things like strength are occupied by men, it's also why employers can 'discriminate' based on gender if they feel strength is a crucial role in the job. This is why there are no women playing nose tackle in the NFL.

This is science - objective and general fact. Of course there exist exceptions, of course there is the occassional woman that jacks up to inordinately huge levels of strength - but even those don't compare with men who put in the same amount of time. But more than that, FemShep is clearly not one of those sorts of women, nor does she even appear to be TOO far beyond the "in shape" level of fitness for an average woman - so yes, while I buy a marine of any gender leveling a babbling scientist or bruising somebody strapped to a seat, the shots landed on Saren and Zaeed were among those where you just have to go "ehhhh... it's a game."

tropicalwave wrote...

If all things are equal (they can press the same approx size, they have the same training, etc.) they can do the same things.

So you're saying, if a woman can hit just as hard as a man, she can hit just as hard as man. Thanks - really insightful stuff. Again, the point wasn't a woman could never possibly hit hard enough to make Saren lose his footing, but that FemShep doesn't look like that sort of woman. And I can't help but feel they have a point.

And no, their point really doesn't matter. It's sort of stupid to say even if it is true - but you can't reject it just because you think it sounds bad.

[Sphynx118]

tropicalwave wrote...

I did not say America was a race. I said the comment about Americans was racist, in the fact that based on one person being from American made all Americans hated. I am from American, it is the race I call myself. It is because I do not fit into any other category of races. White nor caucasion is a race, it is a skin color. So if being American is not a race then waht race am I?

As for saying that you can't listen to me because I said saying Americans are hated (which would include me and I never said such a thing, nor do I believe in it) is strange. Now since you believe it is racist to judge all Americans in one category what would you call it? No matter what label you put to it it is the same kind of hatred that racism and sexism is.

The comment cant be racist if americans arent a race omg -.- You are contradicting yourself.
If you say your race is "american" then you are AGAIN a retard m8.

The comment is something called: "stereotypical" not racist. Google it.

Being american is a ::::NATIONALITY:::: NOT A RACE.

Now stop going full retard. I know its hard for you americans but please try.

Modifié par Sphynx118, 03 mars 2010 - 01:05 .

[Rodriguer2000]

yeah but we still have the most variety races take california for example

[Akka le Vil]

The Angry One wrote...

Of course it does, but the fact remains a woman can achieve similar levels of combat effectiveness given enough training, even if it's harder.

A woman can achieve a high level of combat effectiveness. Yes. I doubt anybody said the opposite. What people said, and you just confirmed it, is that it's "harder" for a woman, she must work more, she has a lower limit. Hence if a man of the same average than her put the same amount of work, he will be more efficient.

Which is still a nitpicking about the game and not very important, but well.

It would still hurt like hell to punch one, I imagine. Irrelevant though given that he's punched with a metal gauntlet.

Why would it hurt ?
Do you know these "aluminum sheets" ? These things you can pierce with a finger ? They are made of metal. They aren't very sturdy despite that. I bet that the "metal plating" on a Turian is even thinner.

[Lightice_av]

Are you saying that male Shep won't have more muscles and hence more strength? Since they are same on every other aspect, male Shep must have an advantage there. Tell me what extra aspect of the female Shep will put her on an equal ground then?

Speed, agility, skill, whatever. The two characters are equal. Play the game on either, and you get the same results. Clearly theyr'e equally good at everything.

[Big Yam]

It's cute when lipstick femshep throws her renegade punches.

[Rodriguer2000]

Lightice_av wrote...

america has all races thats why its awesome

As does just about every Western country, and most non-Western ones these days. It's not exactly a matter to brag about any more. Back when it would have been America was still trying to keep non-Anglo-Saxons away.

like what other western country? name one that has a more diverse ethnic backround

[ERJAK2]

Busomjack wrote...

I played through the game as a Renegade/Paragon mix female Shepard and I think that some of the more violent scenes were just silly.

One example is during Zaeed's loyalty mission while playing as a paragon.  Do you think a punch coming from a woman would really hurt someone as badass and mean as Zaeed?

They should've had her kick him in the balls or something.

Also during the renegade interrogation scene, do you really think it would be possible for a female Shepard to cause a man to bruise so easily?

I had this problem with the first game too.  Remember when Saren picks up Shepard and Shepard punches him and that causes him to drop her?

Do you really think a human female would have the strength to do that to a male Turian considering that Turians are supposed to be physically stronger than humans?

Also, female Shepard carrying Kaiden on her shoulders?  No woman is strong enough to do that.

Your such a troll. What part of GENETIC ENHANCEMENT did you not get. Oh, and if you've never seen a girl knock someone the F### out, I pity you. I watched a seventh grade girl put a 6 inch deep dent in the side of a bus with someone elses head.

[The Angry One]

MKATAKM wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

You automatically assume that one person of equal skill to another will win based on gender alone.
This argument is complete nonsense. They are both Shepard and have the same abilities, achieved the same grade and the same recognition. It would be 50/50.

Are you saying that male Shep won't have more muscles and hence more strength? Since they are same on every other aspect, male Shep must have an advantage there. Tell me what extra aspect of the female Shep will put her on an equal ground then?

I'm saying some extra muscle mass is irrelevant. FemShep has obviously demonstrated the ability to compete with her male peers to achieve N7. ManShep would be her ultimate male peer. Hence, no, ManShep would not automatically have an advantage because they are for all intents and purposes, the same.
Again, this may have meant FemShep worked harder. The specifics are irrelevant, the outcome is what matters.

[ERJAK2]

Rodriguer2000 wrote...

Lightice_av wrote...

america has all races thats why its awesome

As does just about every Western country, and most non-Western ones these days. It's not exactly a matter to brag about any more. Back when it would have been America was still trying to keep non-Anglo-Saxons away.

like what other western country? name one that has a more diverse ethnic backround

Canada.

[Lightice_av]

like what other western country? name one that has a more diverse ethnic backround

Canada, the UK, Denmark, France...

Modifié par Lightice_av, 03 mars 2010 - 01:07 .

[Rodriguer2000]

ERJAK2 wrote...

Rodriguer2000 wrote...

Lightice_av wrote...

america has all races thats why its awesome

As does just about every Western country, and most non-Western ones these days. It's not exactly a matter to brag about any more. Back when it would have been America was still trying to keep non-Anglo-Saxons away.

like what other western country? name one that has a more diverse ethnic backround

Canada.

lol how many hispanics do you know of live in canada im sure theres some but certainley not as much as here in america and beleive me there alot of us atleast in california or the western Us

[Rodriguer2000]

Lightice_av wrote...

like what other western country? name one that has a more diverse ethnic backround

Canada, the UK, Denmark, France...

western countries not eastern dumby

[ERJAK2]

The Angry One wrote...

MKATAKM wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

You automatically assume that one person of equal skill to another will win based on gender alone.
This argument is complete nonsense. They are both Shepard and have the same abilities, achieved the same grade and the same recognition. It would be 50/50.

Are you saying that male Shep won't have more muscles and hence more strength? Since they are same on every other aspect, male Shep must have an advantage there. Tell me what extra aspect of the female Shep will put her on an equal ground then?

I'm saying some extra muscle mass is irrelevant. FemShep has obviously demonstrated the ability to compete with her male peers to achieve N7. ManShep would be her ultimate male peer. Hence, no, ManShep would not automatically have an advantage because they are for all intents and purposes, the same.
Again, this may have meant FemShep worked harder. The specifics are irrelevant, the outcome is what matters.

Simple, maleshep is stronger, femshep is faster, as disgustingly sexual as Garrus made this, maleshep has reach, femshep has flexibilty, they would offset perfectly and it would be a draw every time.

When you really know how to fight, the gap in physical strength has to be immense to make a difference. And no, the one between males and females is not immense.