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[The Angry One]

Akka le Vil wrote...

A woman can achieve a high level of combat effectiveness. Yes. I doubt anybody said the opposite. What people said, and you just confirmed it, is that it's "harder" for a woman, she must work more, she has a lower limit. Hence if a man of the same average than her put the same amount of work, he will be more efficient.

Or he simply may have had to work less than his female counterpart to reach the same level.
And I can't stress this enough, they are at the SAME level. This is also assuming that FemShep had to work harder, with gene therapy this might have mitigated factors some. We don't know.
I however don't assume that one will beat the other based solely on gender.

Why would it hurt ?
Do you know these "aluminum sheets" ? These things you can pierce with a finger ? They are made of metal. They aren't very sturdy despite that. I bet that the "metal plating" on a Turian is even thinner.

Given that Turian mandibles are not routinely ripped off in combat, I doubt Turian "skin" is as brittle as you think.

[Sphynx118]

ERJAK2 wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

I played through the game as a Renegade/Paragon mix female Shepard and I think that some of the more violent scenes were just silly.

One example is during Zaeed's loyalty mission while playing as a paragon.  Do you think a punch coming from a woman would really hurt someone as badass and mean as Zaeed?

They should've had her kick him in the balls or something.

Also during the renegade interrogation scene, do you really think it would be possible for a female Shepard to cause a man to bruise so easily?

I had this problem with the first game too.  Remember when Saren picks up Shepard and Shepard punches him and that causes him to drop her?

Do you really think a human female would have the strength to do that to a male Turian considering that Turians are supposed to be physically stronger than humans?

Also, female Shepard carrying Kaiden on her shoulders?  No woman is strong enough to do that.

Your such a troll. What part of GENETIC ENHANCEMENT did you not get. Oh, and if you've never seen a girl knock someone the F### out, I pity you. I watched a seventh grade girl put a 6 inch deep dent in the side of a bus with someone elses head.

You are such a badass  Omg. You saw a girl do that did you? That must mean they all can do it right? Cuz i once saw a dog drive a car at the circus and i still believe all dogs can. Lets form a club

[ERJAK2]

Rodriguer2000 wrote...

Lightice_av wrote...

like what other western country? name one that has a more diverse ethnic backround

Canada, the UK, Denmark, France...

western countries not eastern dumby

You're an idiot. 

[tropicalwave]

Name calling doesn't prove your point. Plus you never answered my question. What race am I? I'm saying that saying I'm inferior because I'm from America is racists. Just as if saying you are from England or Japan or any other country is inferior.

[Goat_Shepard]

Esker02 wrote...

lol This thread - people are taking issue with nature for not being politically correct. Have we really gotten to this point? Generally speaking, women are weaker than men are - they're also less able to do physical things. This is why most jobs that have to do with things like strength are occupied by men, it's also why employers can 'discriminate' based on gender if they feel strength is a crucial role in the job. This is why there are no women playing nose tackle in the NFL.

This is science - objective and general fact. Of course there exist exceptions, of course there is the occassional woman that jacks up to inordinately huge levels of strength - but even those don't compare with men who put in the same amount of time. But more than that, FemShep is clearly not one of those sorts of women, nor does she even appear to be TOO far beyond the "in shape" level of fitness for an average woman - so yes, while I buy a marine of any gender leveling a babbling scientist or bruising somebody strapped to a seat, the shots landed on Saren and Zaeed were among those where you just have to go "ehhhh... it's a game."

tropicalwave wrote...

If all things are equal (they can press the same approx size, they have the same training, etc.) they can do the same things.

So you're saying, if a woman can hit just as hard as a man, she can hit just as hard as man. Thanks - really insightful stuff. Again, the point wasn't a woman could never possibly hit hard enough to make Saren lose his footing, but that FemShep doesn't look like that sort of woman. And I can't help but feel they have a point.

And no, their point really doesn't matter. It's sort of stupid to say even if it is true - but you can't reject it just because you think it sounds bad.

This is spot on if you ask me.

It's the only point I really agree with in the OP, I don't want to get into the whole "FemShep can't punch Zaeed" cuz I actually haven't seen that scene. 

[Lightice_av]

western countries not eastern dumby

Europe is West, unless you want to count China as a a Western country since it's west of you.

Name calling doesn't prove your point. Plus you never answered my
question. What race am I? I'm saying that saying I'm inferior because
I'm from America is racists. Just as if saying you are from England or
Japan or any other country is inferior.

 
Er, that's bigotry to be sure, but the term "racism" doesn't apply. You're whatever race you identify as, but the country of your origin is not a race. But in any case, the person you originally complained to was just saying that one guy was giving America a bad name by acting stupidly; a far cry from saying that all Americans are stupid.

Modifié par Lightice_av, 03 mars 2010 - 01:12 .

[ERJAK2]

Sphynx118 wrote...

ERJAK2 wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

I played through the game as a Renegade/Paragon mix female Shepard and I think that some of the more violent scenes were just silly.

One example is during Zaeed's loyalty mission while playing as a paragon.  Do you think a punch coming from a woman would really hurt someone as badass and mean as Zaeed?

They should've had her kick him in the balls or something.

Also during the renegade interrogation scene, do you really think it would be possible for a female Shepard to cause a man to bruise so easily?

I had this problem with the first game too.  Remember when Saren picks up Shepard and Shepard punches him and that causes him to drop her?

Do you really think a human female would have the strength to do that to a male Turian considering that Turians are supposed to be physically stronger than humans?

Also, female Shepard carrying Kaiden on her shoulders?  No woman is strong enough to do that.

Your such a troll. What part of GENETIC ENHANCEMENT did you not get. Oh, and if you've never seen a girl knock someone the F### out, I pity you. I watched a seventh grade girl put a 6 inch deep dent in the side of a bus with someone elses head.

You are such a badass  Omg. You saw a girl do that did you? That must mean they all can do it right? Cuz i once saw a dog drive a car at the circus and i still believe all dogs can. Lets form a club

You're commenting on me? The TC has seen one girl who can't knock him out so no girl can? F*** you, it's an example, oh and you're an idiot.

[Vaenier]

Lightice_av wrote...

western countries not eastern dumby

Europe is West, unless you want to count China as a a Western country since it's west of you.

lmao.

[Rodriguer2000]

ERJAK2 wrote...

Rodriguer2000 wrote...

Lightice_av wrote...

like what other western country? name one that has a more diverse ethnic backround

Canada, the UK, Denmark, France...

western countries not eastern dumby

You're an idiot. 

that doesnt answer the argument were still the most diverse country no matter what you say now thats a fact

[The Angry One]

FemShep looks fit enough to me. Fit enough to punch a Turian, and fit enough to smack Zaeed around.

All that matters really. She doesn't have to have bulging muscles.

[Sphynx118]

tropicalwave wrote...

Name calling doesn't prove your point. Plus you never answered my question. What race am I? I'm saying that saying I'm inferior because I'm from America is racists. Just as if saying you are from England or Japan or any other country is inferior.

You have no idea what you are talking about mate. I give up. Go be american somewhere else retard. And no thats not racist.

[.shea.]

Rodriguer2000 wrote...

like what other western country? name one that has a more diverse ethnic backround

Brazil, there are white brazilians (southern Brazil is around 80% white), black brazilians, mixed race brazilians (around 40-50% of total population), asian brazilians (Sao Paolo has a huge number of japanese), amerindian brazilians and quite a few brazilians with middle eastern ancestry.

[Forsakerr]

Rodriguer2000 wrote...

Lightice_av wrote...

like what other western country? name one that has a more diverse ethnic backround

Canada, the UK, Denmark, France...

western countries not eastern dumby

and you re gonna say Canada doesn't count because it s north and not west? the world is not centered around US you know, just sayin

[superimposed]

MKATAKM wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

You automatically assume that one person of equal skill to another will win based on gender alone.
This argument is complete nonsense. They are both Shepard and have the same abilities, achieved the same grade and the same recognition. It would be 50/50.

Are you saying that male Shep won't have more muscles and hence more strength? Since they are same on every other aspect, male Shep must have an advantage there. Tell me what extra aspect of the female Shep will put her on an equal ground then?

None of that matters, as their the same character, simply a different gender, and their 'stats' in game are the same (assuming they have the same armor and class).
It's, again, a non-argument. You can not argue about the logistics when the logistics are coded to be equal. It is a 50-50 because they are exactly the same.

[Rodriguer2000]

http://www.lib.utexa..._world_1815.jpg

[Goat_Shepard]

The Angry One wrote...

FemShep looks fit enough to me. Fit enough to punch a Turian, and fit enough to smack Zaeed around.
All that matters really. She doesn't have to have bulging muscles.

Ok I have to ask: What are MaleShep and FemShep's specs? Is it ever officially stated? Based on leg length I'd say MaleShep looked 6'3 190 lbs but then all the female NPCs are like the same height as him so am I imagining things? 

[Sphynx118]

Rodriguer2000 wrote...

ERJAK2 wrote...

Rodriguer2000 wrote...

Lightice_av wrote...

like what other western country? name one that has a more diverse ethnic backround

Canada, the UK, Denmark, France...

western countries not eastern dumby

You're an idiot. 

that doesnt answer the argument were still the most diverse country no matter what you say now thats a fact

Do i smell an american intellect? Hm?

[rabbitchannel]

21 pages in 3 hours amazing.



Anyway, a punch doesn't need to be powerful. A well placed one to the right location can send your opponent to his knees. 6 years martial arts experience here. d: Also, don't underestimate the power of human legs. You'd be surprised how much you can carry.



Or: Shepard's suit gives her enhanced strength.



I would like to see Fem Shep slap someone though. All saucy-like. hahahaha.

[Lightice_av]

that doesnt answer the argument were still the most diverse country no matter what you say now thats a fact

You were but back then you were ashamed of it. Nowadays the claim no longer applies.

[superimposed]

LAWL. the Western World in 1815

Real contemporary there "Rodriguer".

[ERJAK2]

The Angry One wrote...

Akka le Vil wrote...

A woman can achieve a high level of combat effectiveness. Yes. I doubt anybody said the opposite. What people said, and you just confirmed it, is that it's "harder" for a woman, she must work more, she has a lower limit. Hence if a man of the same average than her put the same amount of work, he will be more efficient.

Or he simply may have had to work less than his female counterpart to reach the same level.
And I can't stress this enough, they are at the SAME level. This is also assuming that FemShep had to work harder, with gene therapy this might have mitigated factors some. We don't know.
I however don't assume that one will beat the other based solely on gender.

Why would it hurt ?
Do you know these "aluminum sheets" ? These things you can pierce with a finger ? They are made of metal. They aren't very sturdy despite that. I bet that the "metal plating" on a Turian is even thinner.

Given that Turian mandibles are not routinely ripped off in combat, I doubt Turian "skin" is as brittle as you think.

Anyone who really knows how to fight knows that the better you are, the less strength matters. 

[Rodriguer2000]

Chouan wrote...

Rodriguer2000 wrote...

like what other western country? name one that has a more diverse ethnic backround

Brazil, there are white brazilians (southern Brazil is around 80% white), black brazilians, mixed race brazilians (around 40-50% of total population), asian brazilians (Sao Paolo has a huge number of japanese), amerindian brazilians and quite a few brazilians with middle eastern ancestry.

they are white mexicans and dark mexicans here too we dont label them here we just call them mexicans

[The Angry One]

Goat_Shepard wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

FemShep looks fit enough to me. Fit enough to punch a Turian, and fit enough to smack Zaeed around.
All that matters really. She doesn't have to have bulging muscles.

Ok I have to ask: What are MaleShep and FemShep's specs? Is it ever officially stated? Based on leg length I'd say MaleShep looked 6'3 190 lbs but then all the female NPCs are like the same height as him so am I imagining things? 

I doubt there are any official specs given that both FemShep and ManShep use generic interchangable bodies for everything.
Maybe something could be worked out with the ME2 N7 armours which are unique to Shep, but then those are based on the same generic bodies too.

Modifié par The Angry One, 03 mars 2010 - 01:16 .

[Rodriguer2000]

superimposed wrote...

LAWL. the Western World in 1815
Real contemporary there "Rodriguer".

dont understand

[Lightice_av]

dont understand

That you're 200 years out of date.