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Rodriguer2000 wrote...

ERJAK2 wrote...

Rodriguer2000 wrote...

Lightice_av wrote...

america has all races thats why its awesome

As does just about every Western country, and most non-Western ones these days. It's not exactly a matter to brag about any more. Back when it would have been America was still trying to keep non-Anglo-Saxons away.

like what other western country? name one that has a more diverse ethnic backround

Canada.

lol how many hispanics do you know of live in canada im sure theres some but certainley not as much as here in america and beleive me there alot of us atleast in california or the western Us

Actually, base numbers isn't enough, it has to be by percentage.

[Akka le Vil]

Lightice_av wrote...

I've heard plenty of discussion about the subject, but in my personal experience the masters tend to be relatively small, wiry men with slightly above average strength, huge endurance and phenomenal dexterity.

Most "masters" are quite old, which is the reason they are small and wiry
"Regular" teachers can be of any kind of size and muscular type.
Though most serious practionners are in fact wiry, because wiry muscles are usually the most efficients when it comes to strength + speed.
Endurance has nothing to do with muscles, and the "huge" endurance is often simply due not to a particularly high stamina, but rather simply because as you master your techniques, you learn to do them "purer", involving less efforts.
I know that I was sweating and exhausted at the end of my classes when I was a beginner, and now I am usually not even tired. And I didn't improve my physical condition a lot - age is starting to take some light tolls - but I simply have more efficient moves.
"dexterity" is not "agility". Most teacher aren't exceptionnaly suples or agile. The apparent dexterity simply comes from, like above, better/purer moves.

So in other words : yes, techniques allow them to be more efficients. Doesn't change anything about "being stronger is better" and how strength is always a big plus.
The real "master" have simply such a huge advantage in technique against about anyone that they can compensate a lot of strength. 
Still, put a master against a krogan, he will be ripped apart

Male soldiers are above average men, but not nearly as above average than female soldiers tend to be.
It's possible for a guy to be a soldier and still slack off a lot, while the few women who choose military careers tend to be at the highest peak of fitness.

Well, you're proving my point here, you know ?

Modifié par Akka le Vil, 03 mars 2010 - 01:25 .

[Goat_Shepard]

The Angry One wrote...

Goat_Shepard wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

FemShep looks fit enough to me. Fit enough to punch a Turian, and fit enough to smack Zaeed around.
All that matters really. She doesn't have to have bulging muscles.

Ok I have to ask: What are MaleShep and FemShep's specs? Is it ever officially stated? Based on leg length I'd say MaleShep looked 6'3 190 lbs but then all the female NPCs are like the same height as him so am I imagining things? 

I doubt there are any official specs given that both FemShep and ManShep use generic interchangable bodies for everything.
Maybe something could be worked out with the ME2 N7 armours which are unique to Shep, but then those are based on the same generic bodies too.

Well what's your opinion? I doubt FemShep is 200 pounds or at least the same weight, I'd like a little variation  I also like the idea of making Male and Female Shepard differentiate via FemShep slapping or kneeing someone in the balls while MaleShep headbutts people 

[The Angry One]

Don't know what's worse, the "lol FemShep is weak" trolling or this "America vs. the world" stuff.

[rabbitchannel]

ERJAK2 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Akka le Vil wrote...

A woman can achieve a high level of combat effectiveness. Yes. I doubt anybody said the opposite. What people said, and you just confirmed it, is that it's "harder" for a woman, she must work more, she has a lower limit. Hence if a man of the same average than her put the same amount of work, he will be more efficient.

Or he simply may have had to work less than his female counterpart to reach the same level.
And I can't stress this enough, they are at the SAME level. This is also assuming that FemShep had to work harder, with gene therapy this might have mitigated factors some. We don't know.
I however don't assume that one will beat the other based solely on gender.

Why would it hurt ?
Do you know these "aluminum sheets" ? These things you can pierce with a finger ? They are made of metal. They aren't very sturdy despite that. I bet that the "metal plating" on a Turian is even thinner.

Given that Turian mandibles are not routinely ripped off in combat, I doubt Turian "skin" is as brittle as you think.

Anyone who really knows how to fight knows that the better you are, the less strength matters. 

This is true. Speed is the key! And technique.

[ERJAK2]

Rodriguer2000 wrote...

ERJAK2 wrote...

Rodriguer2000 wrote...

Lightice_av wrote...

like what other western country? name one that has a more diverse ethnic backround

Canada, the UK, Denmark, France...

western countries not eastern dumby

You're an idiot. 

that doesnt answer the argument were still the most diverse country no matter what you say now thats a fact

I wasn't even commenting on the argument, just that you're stupid for not knowing what a western country is and critisizing someone for mentioning it. 

Beyond that, we have 300 million people in america, to be a fair measurement, we'd have to take a population sample of equal size. In europe and canada that means that the diversity would be similar.

[Rodriguer2000]

Lightice_av wrote...

that doesnt answer the argument were still the most diverse country no matter what you say now thats a fact

You were but back then you were ashamed of it. Nowadays the claim no longer applies.

ashamed of what? A random person on the internet who claims to know more about this that i do.You may think what ever you think but im still right dont worry your country still has alot more time to get plenty of other ethnicites but AMerica is still on top on that subject

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I think it's the "Femshep is weak because AMERICA! **** YEAH!"

[Kerilus]

No matter how the OP justified it afterward, it's laughably obvious that he was trolling in the sense that FemShep is a female thus can't punch people hard enough to do anything. Look at the freakin topic and his argument. That ain't pointing out facts, that's sexist.

[tropicalwave]

Sphynx118 wrote...

tropicalwave wrote...

Name calling doesn't prove your point. Plus you never answered my question. What race am I? I'm saying that saying I'm inferior because I'm from America is racists. Just as if saying you are from England or Japan or any other country is inferior.

You have no idea what you are talking about mate. I give up. Go be american somewhere else retard. And no thats not racist.

It is good to see that the superior people bring themselves down to name calling.  How do I not know what I'm talking about?  Show me your how big you are and explain to what my race is?  Is that really so hard for you to do?  It is really a simple question and you have all the information you need.  Or if you don't want to answer that question, answer this one.  If it isn't racism then what is it?  

And by the I am not defending Americans, I am not defending anything that has been said about Americans (go read my post on the US Military and you will see this.)  So I do not know why you are attacking America or me for it?  You are just looking for excuses to put Americans down.  You don't care about anything else I have said or asked.  

[The Angry One]

Goat_Shepard wrote...
Well what's your opinion? I doubt FemShep is 200 pounds or at least the same weight, I'd like a little variation 

I'm sure they do, but in combat effectiveness it'd vary very little.

I also like the idea of making Male and Female Shepard differentiate via FemShep slapping or kneeing someone in the balls while MaleShep headbutts people 

I disagree, while some things need to be fixed (e.g. the dancing), FemShep handles herself like a soldier and that's how it should stay, that means decking people in the face, not b**** slapping.
The headbutting, well that was just a unique thing to ****** Uvenk off. It's not like Shep knows what a female Krogan would do. Probably throw her eggs at him or something.

[Lightice_av]

Still, put a master against a krogan, he will be ripped apart

Put a human being against a steamroller, and he'll be flat. I was talking about human levels, here.

Well, you're proving my point here, you know ?

I never said that in averages a man is stronger than a woman; just that a trained female combatant can take on a trained male combatant and win.

ashamed of what? A random person on the internet who claims to know more about this that i do.

 
Ashamed because back then people thought that a good nation had to consist of one single ethnicity, and variety was a weakness. America tried to prevent any Asians from entering the country, and strictly limit arrivals from Africa and Eastern Europe, because they considered these people inferor to the Anglo-Saxons.

Modifié par Lightice_av, 03 mars 2010 - 01:22 .

[Rynozeros]

Not to mention shes wearing armor. Shes a superhero (pretty much), Superman isnt a "big" as some human strongmen but he is sure as hell a lot stronger. Also staying on the superhero theme its not real neither are implants to increase nerve output to produce biotics or gene therapy to eliminate cancer and diseases. Not yet anyway.

[MKATAKM]

The Angry One wrote...

MKATAKM wrote...
Are you saying that male Shep won't have more muscles and hence more strength? Since they are same on every other aspect, male Shep must have an advantage there. Tell me what extra aspect of the female Shep will put her on an equal ground then?

I'm saying some extra muscle mass is irrelevant. FemShep has obviously demonstrated the ability to compete with her male peers to achieve N7. ManShep would be her ultimate male peer. Hence, no, ManShep would not automatically have an advantage because they are for all intents and purposes, the same.
Again, this may have meant FemShep worked harder. The specifics are irrelevant, the outcome is what matters.

We know that they are NOT for all intents and purposes, the same. One is male, the other is female. In fact this is the only difference. So FemShep didn't work harder, they are same on other aspects.
ERJAK2 said something different, claimed that having less muscles meant being faster. That didn't sound logical to me. If it is true than you may be right. Since you are the martial arts expert among us, what do you think?

[Rodriguer2000]

ERJAK2 wrote...

Rodriguer2000 wrote...

ERJAK2 wrote...

Rodriguer2000 wrote...

Lightice_av wrote...

like what other western country? name one that has a more diverse ethnic backround

Canada, the UK, Denmark, France...

western countries not eastern dumby


go find out for yourself read an altas and find out that im right or just look it up yourself i admit im wrong over this but ive already looked it up and i know im right

You're an idiot. 

that doesnt answer the argument were still the most diverse country no matter what you say now thats a fact

I wasn't even commenting on the argument, just that you're stupid for not knowing what a western country is and critisizing someone for mentioning it. 

Beyond that, we have 300 million people in america, to be a fair measurement, we'd have to take a population sample of equal size. In europe and canada that means that the diversity would be similar.

[ERJAK2]

The Angry One wrote...

Don't know what's worse, the "lol FemShep is weak" trolling or this "America vs. the world" stuff.

Lawl femshep is much worse. In the new armor, and even in her standard outfit, she looked very intimidating, I would never of described her as being inferior in ability to a man.

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Rodriguer2000 wrote...

Lightice_av wrote...

that doesnt answer the argument were still the most diverse country no matter what you say now thats a fact

You were but back then you were ashamed of it. Nowadays the claim no longer applies.

ashamed of what? A random person on the internet who claims to know more about this that i do.You may think what ever you think but im still right dont worry your country still has alot more time to get plenty of other ethnicites but AMerica is still on top on that subject

lawl.
A Mexican defending America with a map from 1815...
Also Hispanic people are white and come from Spain. If you're not white, your descendants are from South America or from the indigenous of North America, and you're not Hispanic at all.

[Esker02]

ERJAK2 wrote...

Anyone who really knows how to fight knows that the better you are, the less strength matters. 

Hollywood has taught you well.

You know, there's a reason we separate fighting sports based on gender.

[The Angry One]

MKATAKM wrote...

We know that they are NOT for all intents and purposes, the same. One is male, the other is female. In fact this is the only difference. So FemShep didn't work harder, they are same on other aspects.
ERJAK2 said something different, claimed that having less muscles meant being faster. That didn't sound logical to me. If it is true than you may be right. Since you are the martial arts expert among us, what do you think?

They are the same in COMBAT ABILITY. Which is all that matters for the purposes of Shep vs. Shep.
All I'm saying is that ManShep being male is not an automatic win.

[Akka le Vil]

ERJAK2 wrote...

When you really know how to fight, the gap
in physical strength has to be immense to make a difference. And no,
the one between males and females is not immense.

You're
wrong on both points, at least from my experience.

The Angry One wrote...

Or he simply may have had to work less than his female counterpart to reach the same level.

In this case you aren't comparing both equally, as you automatically assume that the male Shep has worked less than the female Shap.
Why do you go all angry and emo when someone say that one will be stronger because of his gender, then say that one will work harder because of his gender ?
Rather contradicting

And I can't stress this enough, they are at the SAME level. This is also assuming that FemShep had to work harder, with gene therapy this might have mitigated factors some. We don't know.
I however don't assume that one will beat the other based solely on gender.

You assume one will have worked harder based on gender, while people saying male Shep will win assume both will have worked the same.
You're quite the hypocrite in the end

Given that Turian mandibles are not routinely ripped off in combat, I doubt Turian "skin" is as brittle as you think.

My jaw isn't routinely ripped off, doesn't mean my skin is hard.
Logic isn't really your strong point, is it ? :-/

lol This thread - people are taking issue with nature for not being
politically correct.

This is win ^^

Modifié par Akka le Vil, 03 mars 2010 - 01:23 .

[Sphynx118]

Americuuuh fck yeah!!! Am i right guys?!? Lets go be ignorant in the park!



We can discuss how geography is a subject we never learn!



Or drink that ****** water ONLY we call "beer"!



Or we can play some american "football" (handegg for those in the rest of the world) without using our feet LULZ!

[Goat_Shepard]

The Angry One wrote...

I disagree, while some things need to be fixed (e.g. the dancing), FemShep handles herself like a soldier and that's how it should stay, that means decking people in the face, not b**** slapping.
The headbutting, well that was just a unique thing to ****** Uvenk off. It's not like Shep knows what a female Krogan would do. Probably throw her eggs at him or something.

I agree, I meant the slapping someone or kneeing them in the balls to be like a one-time thing like the headbutt. Let's say someone pulls a Harkin and says something sexist to FemShep, "Bring dat azz over here", FemShep get's real close all sensual-like and says "Get on the floor then *knee to the balls*"

Yeah yeah off-topic, gunna play ME2 anyway.

[Lightice_av]

You know, there's a reason we separate fighting sports based on gender.

Yes, because they've degenerated into shows of strength. In many martial arts mixed gender fights are quite common, and predicting the end result by the gender alone is precacious business indeed.

[ERJAK2]

MKATAKM wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

MKATAKM wrote...
Are you saying that male Shep won't have more muscles and hence more strength? Since they are same on every other aspect, male Shep must have an advantage there. Tell me what extra aspect of the female Shep will put her on an equal ground then?

I'm saying some extra muscle mass is irrelevant. FemShep has obviously demonstrated the ability to compete with her male peers to achieve N7. ManShep would be her ultimate male peer. Hence, no, ManShep would not automatically have an advantage because they are for all intents and purposes, the same.
Again, this may have meant FemShep worked harder. The specifics are irrelevant, the outcome is what matters.

We know that they are NOT for all intents and purposes, the same. One is male, the other is female. In fact this is the only difference. So FemShep didn't work harder, they are same on other aspects.
ERJAK2 said something different, claimed that having less muscles meant being faster. That didn't sound logical to me. If it is true than you may be right. Since you are the martial arts expert among us, what do you think?

It's not necessarily true, but in a case like this, yes it would be. The lower weight combined with less muscle(which besides being heavy muscle does contrict motion to a degree) Giiving femshep the edge in speed. As long as their techniques are equal, it would be a draw.

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Their coding is the same, their base stats are the same. One has digital ****** and one appears to be a ken doll.
But they're the same.

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