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[Rodriguer2000]

superimposed wrote...

Rodriguer2000 wrote...

Lightice_av wrote...

that doesnt answer the argument were still the most diverse country no matter what you say now thats a fact

You were but back then you were ashamed of it. Nowadays the claim no longer applies.

ashamed of what? A random person on the internet who claims to know more about this that i do.You may think what ever you think but im still right dont worry your country still has alot more time to get plenty of other ethnicites but AMerica is still on top on that subject

lawl.
A Mexican defending America with a map from 1815...
Also Hispanic people are white and come from Spain. If you're not white, your descendants are from South America or from the indigenous of North America, and you're not Hispanic at all.

Dont you think i know that? dont go off and claim to know more about a ethnicity that isnt your own

[Lightice_av]

It's not necessarily true, but in a case like this, yes it would be. The lower weight combined with less muscle(which besides being heavy muscle does contrict motion to a degree) Giiving femshep the edge in speed. As long as their techniques are equal, it would be a draw.

Indeed. Plus that FemShep is likely to practice her speed and agility more to give her the edge against the static strength of her male opponents.

[The Angry One]

Akka le Vil wrote...

In this case you aren't comparing both equally, as you automatically assume that the male Shep has worked less than the female Shap.

Why do you go all angry and emo when someone say that one will be stronger because of his gender, then say that one will work harder because of his gender ?
Rather contradicting

By definition, if one works harder then the other has worked less to achieve the same goal, simple logic.

You assume one will have worked harder based on gender, while people saying male Shep will win assume both will have worked the same.
You're quite the hypocrite in the end

I'm not assuming anything. I'm saying FemShep may have worked harder. She may have not. It's speculation.
The point is, whatever method was used to get to N7, they both got there and are both equally capable.

My jaw isn't routinely ripped off, doesn't mean my skin is hard.
Logic isn't really your strong point, is it ? :-/

Are your jaw joints exposed and loose at the front? 

Modifié par The Angry One, 03 mars 2010 - 01:27 .

[BattleVisor]

Rodriguer2000 wrote...

Lightice_av wrote...

like what other western country? name one that has a more diverse ethnic backround

Canada, the UK, Denmark, France...

western countries not eastern dumby

fail

[Esker02]

Lightice_av wrote...

Yes, because they've degenerated into shows of strength. In many martial arts mixed gender fights are quite common, and predicting the end result by the gender alone is precacious business indeed.

Even if I buy that, not sure I do (I don't attend enough mixed gender martial arts matches, I suppose), the thread was about being punched in the mouth. I'd say that qualifies as a show of strength, not finesse.

[ERJAK2]

Esker02 wrote...

ERJAK2 wrote...

Anyone who really knows how to fight knows that the better you are, the less strength matters. 

Hollywood has taught you well.

You know, there's a reason we separate fighting sports based on gender.

Name one hollywood fight scene that was a straight up fist fight a woman won. Hollywood doesn't know S*** and has never acknowledge that a good female fighter can kick a**.


Oh, GENETIC ENGINEERING!!!
did I not say that before?

Modifié par ERJAK2, 03 mars 2010 - 01:29 .

[The Angry One]

Goat_Shepard wrote...

I agree, I meant the slapping someone or kneeing them in the balls to be like a one-time thing like the headbutt. Let's say someone pulls a Harkin and says something sexist to FemShep, "Bring dat azz over here", FemShep get's real close all sensual-like and says "Get on the floor then *knee to the balls*"

Yeah yeah off-topic, gunna play ME2 anyway.

True, that wouldn't be bad.
Maybe we'll get to knee Harkin in the balls in ME3.

[Sphynx118]

BattleVisor wrote...

Rodriguer2000 wrote...

Lightice_av wrote...

like what other western country? name one that has a more diverse ethnic backround

Canada, the UK, Denmark, France...

western countries not eastern dumby

fail

Now ,now remember we have a certain new word for fail. Its called american now

Modifié par Sphynx118, 03 mars 2010 - 01:28 .

[MKATAKM]

The Angry One wrote...

They are the same in COMBAT ABILITY. Which is all that matters for the purposes of Shep vs. Shep.
All I'm saying is that ManShep being male is not an automatic win.

Strength is part of the COMBAT ABILITY. All I am saying is since they have different genders as a single difference, they have different strengths and hence different COMBAT ABILITIES. I think this is where we don't agree which really is a too moot a point to further discuss on.

[BattleVisor]

Sphynx118 wrote...

BattleVisor wrote...

Rodriguer2000 wrote...

Lightice_av wrote...

like what other western country? name one that has a more diverse ethnic backround

Canada, the UK, Denmark, France...

western countries not eastern dumby

fail

Now ,now remember we have a certain new word for fail. Its called american now

No that would be double fail...sorry insulting america is just the new thing these days. Everybody does it

[The Angry One]

MKATAKM wrote...

Strength is part of the COMBAT ABILITY. All I am saying is since they have different genders as a single difference, they have different strengths and hence different COMBAT ABILITIES. I think this is where we don't agree which really is a too moot a point to further discuss on.

Raw strength isn't part of any combat ability, it's how you use it. If ManShep has more raw strength and less agility, and FemShep has the reverse, then in the end they are about equal.

[Forsakerr]

here for lulz

http://img35.imagesh...08/usworldd.jpg

edit: gah i tryed to make it appear as an image instead but i broke it so back to how it was earlyer

Modifié par Forsakerr, 03 mars 2010 - 01:37 .

[superimposed]

Rodriguer2000 wrote...

superimposed wrote...

Rodriguer2000 wrote...

Lightice_av wrote...

that doesnt answer the argument were still the most diverse country no matter what you say now thats a fact

You were but back then you were ashamed of it. Nowadays the claim no longer applies.

ashamed of what? A random person on the internet who claims to know more about this that i do.You may think what ever you think but im still right dont worry your country still has alot more time to get plenty of other ethnicites but AMerica is still on top on that subject

lawl.
A Mexican defending America with a map from 1815...
Also Hispanic people are white and come from Spain. If you're not white, your descendants are from South America or from the indigenous of North America, and you're not Hispanic at all.

Dont you think i know that? dont go off and claim to know more about a ethnicity that isnt your own

I can and I will. Facts don't change because of a 'different race', and secondly do you even know what I descend from?

[Esker02]

Sphynx118 wrote...

Now ,now remember we have a certain new word for fail. Its called american now

For the record - that kind of attitude might not be racist, but it is just as stupid.

[Goat_Shepard]

The Angry One wrote...

Goat_Shepard wrote...

I agree, I meant the slapping someone or kneeing them in the balls to be like a one-time thing like the headbutt. Let's say someone pulls a Harkin and says something sexist to FemShep, "Bring dat azz over here", FemShep get's real close all sensual-like and says "Get on the floor then *knee to the balls*"

Yeah yeah off-topic, gunna play ME2 anyway.

True, that wouldn't be bad.
Maybe we'll get to knee Harkin in the balls in ME3.

Harkin in ME1: My pride!
Harkin in ME2: My knees!
Harkin in ME3: You decide.

Also reminds me of that reporter Al-Jihani? She's gunna have a facemask in ME3. 

Alright I'm officially outa here to smoke a cigarette then finally beat Insanity!

[superimposed]

MKATAKM wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

They are the same in COMBAT ABILITY. Which is all that matters for the purposes of Shep vs. Shep.
All I'm saying is that ManShep being male is not an automatic win.

Strength is part of the COMBAT ABILITY. All I am saying is since they have different genders as a single difference, they have different strengths and hence different COMBAT ABILITIES. I think this is where we don't agree which really is a too moot a point to further discuss on.

Actually, their gender isn't the difference, as their actual stats - speed, strength and so on - are the same. It's coded that way in to the game. They're the same person.

[tropicalwave]

@MKATAKM so you are saying that FemShep was let off on the physical requirement becuase she was female?



if I were a betting man I would say that both Male and Female Shepard would have to meet the same requirements. If you remember talking to Ashely in ME1 she said she had to strive to be more and surpass everyone to even be considered (not even equally) not becuase she was female but because of her family name. No where in the ME world do they say that men and women are different in strength. As far as anything I've read about humans is that they are becoming more neutral in all respects (so much of a mix of race and genetic modifications) that they are all beggining to look alike. Since we are speculating on this Verse I wonder if this means that the difference in physical strenght is also coming to a point of equality?

[The Angry One]

Forsakerr wrote...

here for lulz

http://img35.imagesh...08/usworldd.jpg

I laughed.

[Rodriguer2000]

superimposed wrote...

Rodriguer2000 wrote...

superimposed wrote...

Rodriguer2000 wrote...

Lightice_av wrote...

that doesnt answer the argument were still the most diverse country no matter what you say now thats a fact

You were but back then you were ashamed of it. Nowadays the claim no longer applies.

ashamed of what? A random person on the internet who claims to know more about this that i do.You may think what ever you think but im still right dont worry your country still has alot more time to get plenty of other ethnicites but AMerica is still on top on that subject

lawl.
A Mexican defending America with a map from 1815...
Also Hispanic people are white and come from Spain. If you're not white, your descendants are from South America or from the indigenous of North America, and you're not Hispanic at all.

Dont you think i know that? dont go off and claim to know more about a ethnicity that isnt your own

I can and I will. Facts don't change because of a 'different race', and secondly do you even know what I descend from?

Jerusalem?

[Lonely_Fat_Guy]

The Angry One wrote...

MKATAKM wrote...

We know that they are NOT for all intents and purposes, the same. One is male, the other is female. In fact this is the only difference. So FemShep didn't work harder, they are same on other aspects.
ERJAK2 said something different, claimed that having less muscles meant being faster. That didn't sound logical to me. If it is true than you may be right. Since you are the martial arts expert among us, what do you think?

They are the same in COMBAT ABILITY. Which is all that matters for the purposes of Shep vs. Shep.
All I'm saying is that ManShep being male is not an automatic win.

ofcourse not.
it all depends on the senario.

but if you put them in the ring with mma rules, im afraid maleshepard will probebly win all the fights. maybe a 99 win and 1 loss.

[Lightice_av]

Even if I buy that, not sure I do (I don't attend enough mixed gender martial arts matches, I suppose), the thread was about being punched in the mouth. I'd say that qualifies as a show of strength, not finesse.

A woman can punch hard enough to knock a man out. This is a fact that I'd like to see you prove wrong. Yes, a man can potentially punch harder, but knocked out is knocked out, regardless.

[Zyrious]

tropicalwave wrote...

@MKATAKM so you are saying that FemShep was let off on the physical requirement becuase she was female?

if I were a betting man I would say that both Male and Female Shepard would have to meet the same requirements. If you remember talking to Ashely in ME1 she said she had to strive to be more and surpass everyone to even be considered (not even equally) not becuase she was female but because of her family name. No where in the ME world do they say that men and women are different in strength. As far as anything I've read about humans is that they are becoming more neutral in all respects (so much of a mix of race and genetic modifications) that they are all beggining to look alike. Since we are speculating on this Verse I wonder if this means that the difference in physical strenght is also coming to a point of equality?

In the US Military females have lower requirements. Then again, women arent allowed into combat positions, either.

Besides, just because both shepards got into N7 doesnt mean they're equal. It just means they both meet the requirements for N7. it doesnt mean N7 male shepard and N7 female shepard are equal.

[Weskerr]

Any competent medical professional with an M.D. will tell you that men are physically stronger than women. It's just fact - incontrovertible. No amount of rationalization will change that fact. Of course this is an average. Not all men are physically stronger than women. Not all women are physically weaker than men. However, most men are physically stronger than most women. To dispute this is to ignore reality. Just saying something is such and such doesn't make it so. Here's a relevant question that a famous historical figure once put forth in a debate. I'm paraphrasing:
"If I say a dog's tail is a leg, how many legs does the dog have?"

However, Mass Effect 2 is a video game. It involves imaginary people with imaginary lives. To my knowledge, writers of fiction are not bound by reality, especially writers of science fiction. If the writers say female Shepard is, or show female Shepard to be, as strong as male Shepard, then she is.

[The Angry One]

Lonely_Fat_Guy wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

MKATAKM wrote...

We know that they are NOT for all intents and purposes, the same. One is male, the other is female. In fact this is the only difference. So FemShep didn't work harder, they are same on other aspects.
ERJAK2 said something different, claimed that having less muscles meant being faster. That didn't sound logical to me. If it is true than you may be right. Since you are the martial arts expert among us, what do you think?

They are the same in COMBAT ABILITY. Which is all that matters for the purposes of Shep vs. Shep.
All I'm saying is that ManShep being male is not an automatic win.

ofcourse not.
it all depends on the senario.

but if you put them in the ring with mma rules, im afraid maleshepard will probebly win all the fights. maybe a 99 win and 1 loss.

Despite the fact that FemShep would've had to have demonstrated equal amounts of endurance as ManShep to get to N7?
This isn't the US military, the Alliance clearly doesn't discriminate and doesn't expect less from one gender or the other. Whether it's because of gene therapy or whatever.

As an aside if we're talking about Sheploo I bet FemShep would break that prettyboy glass jaw of his in one punch, but that's another issue entirely.