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[Rynozeros]

Tell me people why does it matter?

Clearly the mass effect universe is not founded entirely on the same laws of physics and chemistry and biology as the real world.

Comparison between the two is futile.

[Lightice_av]

Agility and strength are unrelated, and are not, unlike what video game and action movie let think, mutually exclusive

Mostly, but not entirely. As I've repeated, greater mass causes greater momentum, which can slow down reaction time. Good fighters learn to compensate, making this a small issue most of the time, but if you're a seven-foot tall wall of muscle you will not turn as fast as five-foot skinny guy.

Modifié par Lightice_av, 03 mars 2010 - 01:54 .

[Akka le Vil]

The Angry One wrote...

Are you seriously saying that more
muscle mass and weight don't lead to less agility?
Have you seen
heavyweight boxers fight?

Yes I'm saying that more muscle mass and weight don't NECESSARILY lead to less agility. And you'd probably be very surprised at how agile many heavyweight boxers can be.

Lightice_av wrote...

Greater muscle mass can lead to lesser agility because of more mass and momentum at work, but it's not an absolute directly compareable rule.

"can".
I'd like to remind that muscle is WHAT allows you to move. More muscle means more intertia, but it also means more workpower. Also, you can gain substancial muscle mass/strength without gaining much volume.

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Zyrious wrote...

superimposed wrote...

Zyrious wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Zyrious wrote...

Besides, just because both shepards got into N7 doesnt mean they're equal. It just means they both meet the requirements for N7. it doesnt mean N7 male shepard and N7 female shepard are equal.

N7 is the best of the best of the best. The highest grade of the special forces. I'm afraid it does, especially as.. THEY'RE THE SAME PERSON.

I'm sorry, i dont see the logic. Both shepards are better than everyone else. But that doesnt mean they are both completely equal. Male shep may be stronger than female shep, but female shep is still stronger than all her peers. Remember, Female shep wasnt competing with Male shep for N7. If she was, she might've not gotten it.

It does mean they're equal, as it's in the coding.

Well if you want to meta-game it then yes, they are both exactly the same except for the model and VA files. lol...

Well people are arguing about the non-existant logistics of fictional characters when the real logistics of those fictional characters are the same.
It would be hilarious if it weren't so depressing....


The only superior Shepard is Ugly Shepard.

[The Angry One]

Akka le Vil wrote...

Yes I'm saying that more muscle mass and weight don't NECESSARILY lead to less agility. And you'd probably be very surprised at how agile many heavyweight boxers can be.

They can be agile, yes.
But not as agile as someone smaller with less muscle mass, that's my point.

[MKATAKM]

The Angry One wrote...
I'm not saying zero raw strength, obviously it is a factor.

So, obviously it is part of the combat ability.

The Angry One wrote...
a woman like FemShep has obviously been trained to use her strength to it's peak.

Again, a woman like FemShep has obviously been trained to use her LESS strength to it's peak.
And, a man like MaleShep has obviously been trained to use his MORE strength to it's peak.

The Angry One wrote...
The fact that she'd have more agility serves to balance whatever more raw strength ManShep has.

I already accepted this one.

[Akka le Vil]

superimposed wrote...

Well people are arguing about the non-existant logistics of fictional characters when the real logistics of those fictional characters are the same.

Actually, what I understood from the OP point is that they are the same while they SHOULD NOT.
You can't really use the fact that they are the same as an argument about how they SHOULD be the same ^^

[Tok153]

Only one way to settle this... BATTLE ROYALL! Shepard vs Shepard! Shepard has reach, but umm... Shepard has flexibility! Who has what? Only one way to find out! Lets get it on!

I think they are the same for game mechanics and no one at Bioware really gave Man vs Woman much thought.

On a completely unrelated note how did this thread slip into a who has more ethnicities pissing contest? Just look at each countries census if it is that important.

Modifié par Tok153, 03 mars 2010 - 01:57 .

[Akka le Vil]

The Angry One wrote...

They can be agile, yes.
But not as agile as someone smaller with less muscle mass, that's my point.

And your point is wrong.

[Lightice_av]

Actually, what I understood from the OP point is that they are the same while they SHOULD NOT.

He also says that a real man shouldn't be even dazed by a woman's punch, no matter how good she is. The difference in all practical matters is negligible enough to be a non-issue.

And your point is wrong.

 
Greater mass always means greater momentum. As I said, good fighters compensate this, but seven-foot wall of muscle doesn't turn as fast as five-foot skinny guy.

Modifié par Lightice_av, 03 mars 2010 - 01:58 .

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Akka le Vil wrote...

superimposed wrote...

Well people are arguing about the non-existant logistics of fictional characters when the real logistics of those fictional characters are the same.

Actually, what I understood from the OP point is that they are the same while they SHOULD NOT.
You can't really use the fact that they are the same as an argument about how they SHOULD be the same ^^

Actually, my response to the OP was they had to be the same for the sake of Balance and gameplay, and to the people arguing about 'who would win' it's that they are the same because they're designed that way.

[Busomjack]

Lightice_av wrote...

Actually, what I understood from the OP point is that they are the same while they SHOULD NOT.

He also says that a real man shouldn't be even dazed by a woman's punch, no matter how good she is. The difference in all practical matters is negligible enough to be a non-issue.

An exaggeration.  I think a punch from a female Shepard may hurt but it shouldn't have had th same impact as a male Shepard's punch.

That is why I advocate making female Shepard's melee attacks do less damage than a male Shepard's.

[The Angry One]

MKATAKM wrote...

So, obviously it is part of the combat ability.

If used correctly, of course. But raw strength alone isn't as big an advantage as you think.

Again, a woman like FemShep has obviously been trained to use her LESS strength to it's peak.
And, a man like MaleShep has obviously been trained to use his MORE strength to it's peak.

The point is, the difference won't be that great when both are trained to the limit.

[Lightice_av]

An exaggeration. I think a punch from a female Shepard may hurt but it shouldn't have had th same impact as a male Shepard's punch.

Knocked out is knocked out, the difference is negligible.

[Zyrious]

I beg to differ. But for the sake of political correctness we'll all pretend any women can do what any man can do. "Anything you can do i can do better" "I am woman, hear me roar" "Biology be damned" "Burn all biology books books!" "Seig heil"..er...*cough*...

Modifié par Zyrious, 03 mars 2010 - 02:00 .

[Busomjack]

I've already addressed the whole balance issue. They can add balance by giving female Shepard more paragon/renegade points.

[Snowraptor]

WOMEN STOP, he is just a Troll, your falling for the Troll attack. If you just ignore me and keep on kalling him sexist just because its fun to call a guy sexist, you must know you just fell for Troll bait

[The Angry One]

Busomjack wrote...

I've already addressed the whole balance issue. They can add balance by giving female Shepard more paragon/renegade points.

And they can also add balance by dropping an anvil on your head.

[Lightice_av]

But for the sake of political correctness we'll all pretend any women can do what any man can do.

I don't think anyone in this thread ever argued that. Just that a trained female combatant is just as deadly as a trained male combatant, because she knows how to compensate her disadvantages.

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Busomjack wrote...

I've already addressed the whole balance issue. They can add balance by giving female Shepard more paragon/renegade points.

That's hardly a balance at all, as Male Shep already can get Max Paragon and Renegade. For the Sake of Balance they can leave them exactly the same which is exactly what they are going to do, as it's Bioware and they're not moronic enough to disadvantage players who want to RP as a different Gender.

[Rynozeros]

Busomjack wrote...

I've already addressed the whole balance issue. They can add balance by giving female Shepard more paragon/renegade points.

or be able to hit twice/1.5x as often

how is more paragon/renegade points going to balance anything

[Krogan Face]

There simply needs to be seperate situations for both male and female play throughs, its rediculous to see a female shepard punchout a turian or whatever, and its equally rediculos to see a male shepard puch out that female reporter.



For the most part the game is designed with a male play through in mind, there needs to be alternate cut scenes that play on more female like strenghts, (exp. useing femanie charm on a male guard) were as male shepard could just flex his muscle.



and enough with the sexist BS please, if you peeps were smart enought to realize that the way the game was made is in fact sexist, since it dosent offer a realistic assesment of the female gender.

[superimposed]

If Mass Effect was closer to DA:O then the situations would be largely different - your class and gender both play a role in the sorts of situations you encounter, but as it's the third Installment they don't have the freedom they would have in the first or second to do this. The reaper invasion is sort of imminent and 'collectable quests' would seem out of place.

[The Angry One]

Again, Shepard is a soldier and a marine. Marines aren't trained to seduce people, they punch them in the face and shoot them.. as is my understanding anyway.

No need for this femme fatale stuff some people seem to want.

[Busomjack]

superimposed wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

I've already addressed the whole balance issue. They can add balance by giving female Shepard more paragon/renegade points.

That's hardly a balance at all, as Male Shep already can get Max Paragon and Renegade. For the Sake of Balance they can leave them exactly the same which is exactly what they are going to do, as it's Bioware and they're not moronic enough to disadvantage players who want to RP as a different Gender.

Ok fine, how about in addition to the paragon/renegade thing we also give female Shepard the ability to use "seduce" on male enemies which will charm them and force them to fight on your side temporarily.  Kind of like dominate.

Would that be enough for balance?