Kayback wrote...
Heck there isn't one military on Earth today that uses the same ammo for their AR's as for their GPMG's and their handguns or sniper rifles
Modifié par Amethyst Deceiver, 03 mars 2010 - 03:40 .
kregano wrote...
Ups the tension and reward when you manage to make an enemy drop with the last round in your thermal clip. Plus it incentivizes you to keep moving, instead of just holing up somewhere, firing a few rounds at the enemy, waiting for the cool down, and firing some more over and over.KalosCast wrote...
CmdrFenix83 wrote...
Amethyst Deceiver wrote...
kregano wrote...
From what I understand, the reason a hybrid system wasn't employed in ME2 had something to do with the play testers not liking the system because they would just go through clips until they were down to their last one and then had to deal with the cool down if they couldn't get a new clip. Christina Norman confirmed this back on the old forum, right before it shut down.
...up the frequency of the clip drops?
wtf kind of logic is this.
so with the current system, you run out of thermal clips and then what. use harsh language? thats WORSE. you cant even wait til you cool down, you have to scrounge for another clip.
they obviously upped the thermal clip drop rate for the final version so why couldnt they have just upped the rate for the hybrid system. ***ing retarded bull*** excuse
The reason there's no hybrid system is that the cooldown method would be superfluous. There's no need for it. Unless you're just throwing shots away at nothing, you shouldn't run out of ammo, ever. Stop using the Widow/Mantis for every single kill. That's why it's not in game, because it's unnecessary. It was a game mechanic choice that never needing to reload was dumb, so they got rid of it. There's enough clips lying around that ammo isn't a problem.
If there's enough ammo that you never run out, what's the point of restricting it with an incredibly stupid lore handwave to begin with? It's still infinite.
CmdrFenix83 wrote...
The reason there's no hybrid system is that the cooldown method would be superfluous. There's no need for it. Unless you're just throwing shots away at nothing, you shouldn't run out of ammo, ever. Stop using the Widow/Mantis for every single kill. That's why it's not in game, because it's unnecessary. It was a game mechanic choice that never needing to reload was dumb, so they got rid of it. There's enough clips lying around that ammo isn't a problem.
Modifié par Lambu1, 03 mars 2010 - 03:47 .
KalosCast wrote...
If there's enough ammo that you never run out, what's the point of restricting it with an incredibly stupid lore handwave to begin with? It's still infinite.
Amethyst Deceiver wrote...
Kayback wrote...
Heck there isn't one military on Earth today that uses the same ammo for their AR's as for their GPMG's and their handguns or sniper rifles
not to be a wet sock cause i mostly agree with you here but the inner nerd in me cant resist.
NATO 7.62 and 5.56 is standard for NATO countries.
same ammo for ARs MGs and SRs respectively.
CmdrFenix83 wrote...
KalosCast wrote...
If there's enough ammo that you never run out, what's the point of restricting it with an incredibly stupid lore handwave to begin with? It's still infinite.
The same reason that there's ammo in any game involving guns. So you don't just hold down the trigger forever like you could in ME1 with the right mods. Eventually, you have to pause to reload. If you waste ammo for no reason, then yeah, you'll start having issues with it.
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kregano wrote...
I don't think the intent was ever to get rid of the infinite ammo provided by the lore, but to eliminate things like having an AR with two Frictionless Material X mods and Snowblind rounds being able to fire forever without any heating issues. Of course there are enough clips to keep you supplied throughout the course of the level; otherwise you would end up with a useless weapon.
Ghostano wrote...
For me I would have pefered they just remove those mods that let someone do that then change everything. I can not think of a time I ever just held the trigger down in ME 1. I have in other games with ammo because I was done playing and was about to turn the game off. I have ran out of clips before but that is manily because I am a bad shot. Seems everytime I go to shot something the screen shakes or I do not see that one thing flanking me and smacking me up side the head
I may jinx it but this is a nice thread to read for me lets me see and think of things differently. Though I have found myself trying to use powers more then guns. I was able to curve a shot around a piller just as the target start to charge me so it did a circle around the piller and nailed them in the back
kregano wrote...
I don't think the intent was ever to get rid of the infinite ammo provided by the lore, but to eliminate things like having an AR with two Frictionless Material X mods and Snowblind rounds being able to fire forever without any heating issues. Of course there are enough clips to keep you supplied throughout the course of the level; otherwise you would end up with a useless weapon.
CmdrFenix83 wrote...
Ding ding! We have a winner! Enjoy 1 happy wizard!
Multifarious Algorithm wrote...
The military trains everyone to use an assault rifle, but it doesn't mean they're all going to equally good at it. Applied practice is important - soldier Shepard has spent his entire life in combat situations using ARs. An Adept on the other hand received the training, but has then gone on to spend their entire career becoming combat proficient with their powers, not with assault rifles.
CmdrFenix83 wrote...
Daeion wrote...
I still don't see why everyone can't use the AR. BW is telling me that my ME Adept who was trained with the AR all of a sudden forgot how to use it but learned how to use a nuke gun? This is one of the reasons I miss the ME leveling trees.
Well, I can understand your point, but that leaves the Soldier with little to no benefits over other classes, and makes it essentially obsolete. The ME1 leveling trees were god-aweful for weaponry. It made no sense that for any class they loaded in as if they had picked up one of these guns for the first time instead of being the elite of the elite graduate from the Alliance's N7 program.
CmdrFenix83 wrote...
The reason there's no hybrid system is that the cooldown method would be superfluous. There's no need for it. Unless you're just throwing shots away at nothing, you shouldn't run out of ammo, ever. Stop using the Widow/Mantis for every single kill. That's why it's not in game, because it's unnecessary. It was a game mechanic choice that never needing to reload was dumb, so they got rid of it. There's enough clips lying around that ammo isn't a problem.
Daeion wrote...
Multifarious Algorithm wrote...
The military trains everyone to use an assault rifle, but it doesn't mean they're all going to equally good at it. Applied practice is important - soldier Shepard has spent his entire life in combat situations using ARs. An Adept on the other hand received the training, but has then gone on to spend their entire career becoming combat proficient with their powers, not with assault rifles.
See, that's why I like ME better, everyone has access to the weapons and then you get to decide what weapons your shep was most proficient in.
Daeion wrote...
CmdrFenix83 wrote...
The reason there's no hybrid system is that the cooldown method would be superfluous. There's no need for it. Unless you're just throwing shots away at nothing, you shouldn't run out of ammo, ever. Stop using the Widow/Mantis for every single kill. That's why it's not in game, because it's unnecessary. It was a game mechanic choice that never needing to reload was dumb, so they got rid of it. There's enough clips lying around that ammo isn't a problem.
I think you need to stop thinking everyone who liked the old system better or would like a hybrid system is just wasting shots. I never ran out of ammo, however I would have prefered a hybrid system.
CmdrFenix83 wrote...
Daeion wrote...
Multifarious Algorithm wrote...
The military trains everyone to use an assault rifle, but it doesn't mean they're all going to equally good at it. Applied practice is important - soldier Shepard has spent his entire life in combat situations using ARs. An Adept on the other hand received the training, but has then gone on to spend their entire career becoming combat proficient with their powers, not with assault rifles.
See, that's why I like ME better, everyone has access to the weapons and then you get to decide what weapons your shep was most proficient in.
Except when you load in, Shepard couldn't even hit Sovereign on the back if he was fliyng in front of him, despite being a graduate of the N7 program. He also wielded a sniper rifle as though he spent 5 minutes chugging Red Bulls before touching down on Eden Prime.
This is a seasoned soldier, not some rookie fresh out of boot. He should be able to hit a target in front of him without needing to shoot 6+ times. If you got to choose proficiencies in ME2, that would be fine, but I never, ever want to see the weapon skills back from ME1.
Lambu1 wrote...
CmdrFenix83 wrote...
The reason there's no hybrid system is that the cooldown method would be superfluous. There's no need for it. Unless you're just throwing shots away at nothing, you shouldn't run out of ammo, ever. Stop using the Widow/Mantis for every single kill. That's why it's not in game, because it's unnecessary. It was a game mechanic choice that never needing to reload was dumb, so they got rid of it. There's enough clips lying around that ammo isn't a problem.
This!
i have never, ever been out of ammo for long and i'm playing insanity. sure i may empty my SR every now and then and may even loose all my AR/SMG ammo, but i have never been stuck without something to use to defend myself. the game provides all the ammo you need at the end of an engagement. just because it isn't the amount you want doesn't mean its not enough.
edit: oye too slow
Modifié par Daeion, 03 mars 2010 - 04:36 .
CmdrFenix83 wrote...
KalosCast wrote...
If there's enough ammo that you never run out, what's the point of restricting it with an incredibly stupid lore handwave to begin with? It's still infinite.
The same reason that there's ammo in any game involving guns. So you don't just hold down the trigger forever like you could in ME1 with the right mods. Eventually, you have to pause to reload. If you waste ammo for no reason, then yeah, you'll start having issues with it.
MyChemicalBromance wrote...
You should read a little more. It takes forever to use up a block.
Canon-wise, thermals make more sense than blocks.
Daeion wrote...
I don't care about game play mechanics because the crazy amount of ammo made limited thermal clips pointless, to me it's more of a lore/storey issue.
CmdrFenix83 wrote...
Daeion wrote...
CmdrFenix83 wrote...
The reason there's no hybrid system is that the cooldown method would be superfluous. There's no need for it. Unless you're just throwing shots away at nothing, you shouldn't run out of ammo, ever. Stop using the Widow/Mantis for every single kill. That's why it's not in game, because it's unnecessary. It was a game mechanic choice that never needing to reload was dumb, so they got rid of it. There's enough clips lying around that ammo isn't a problem.
I think you need to stop thinking everyone who liked the old system better or would like a hybrid system is just wasting shots. I never ran out of ammo, however I would have prefered a hybrid system.
For what? Lore purposes? If you don't run out of ammo, the hybrid system would do nothing for you at all. Nothing. You don't have to wait for a clip to be empty before reloading. So you would gain absolutely nothing unless you managed to run out of clips. Why bother keeping a hybrid system if it's unnecessary?
If your reason is lore, you're welcome to think you have an old-school pistol on you for emergencies... that never come up...
Modifié par Daeion, 03 mars 2010 - 04:46 .
CmdrFenix83 wrote...
Daeion wrote...
Multifarious Algorithm wrote...
The military trains everyone to use an assault rifle, but it doesn't mean they're all going to equally good at it. Applied practice is important - soldier Shepard has spent his entire life in combat situations using ARs. An Adept on the other hand received the training, but has then gone on to spend their entire career becoming combat proficient with their powers, not with assault rifles.
See, that's why I like ME better, everyone has access to the weapons and then you get to decide what weapons your shep was most proficient in.
Except when you load in, Shepard couldn't even hit Sovereign on the back if he was fliyng in front of him, despite being a graduate of the N7 program. He also wielded a sniper rifle as though he spent 5 minutes chugging Red Bulls before touching down on Eden Prime.
This is a seasoned soldier, not some rookie fresh out of boot. He should be able to hit a target in front of him without needing to shoot 6+ times. If you got to choose proficiencies in ME2, that would be fine, but I never, ever want to see the weapon skills back from ME1.
Modifié par Daeion, 03 mars 2010 - 04:50 .
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