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dual wield dlc

Débuté par ace1221 , mars 03 2010 12:01

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#76
Kangasniemi

Posté 04 mars 2010 - 08:32

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Master Smurf wrote...

Its really funny how all of these posters talk about realism in a sci fi game that isnt hard sci fi but pseudo, slipping over to fantasy when it wants.

You can warp, reave, slam, charge, FIRE A CLAYMORE (that only a Krogan can handle) - but no no no you cant hold two pistols - get real.

Slap on a targeting visor, put on your combat exoskeleton, grab an SMG and heavy pistol and mow through enemies sheilds and armor like butter. Hell Adrenaline Rush for your matrix effect and Neo/Max Payne everyone.

Please say you dont want it in the game but trying to argue realism is absurd.

There is realism and then there is "realism". The first one is for the real world (you know, the thing out side your window) and then there is "realism" that is in the games.

In ME universe we have FTL engines, universal translators, biotics and so on. The weapons are semirealistic (note the lack of "" so they are kind of the weapons in the real world) and the tactics are also semirealistic. So now we have defined what is "realistic" in ME universe, and that is that the weapons are big, heavy and powerfull, and the tactics used have the same elements that combat in real life has (using cover, move and fire etc.). These rules have been introduced in ME 1 and ME 2.

So now adding something ridiculous as dual-wielding or melee weapons would be as ridiculous as for the humans to grow a third arm over night.

So the realism point of view is a valid one. In the ME universe it would be unrealistic to dual wield.

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#77
StowyMcStowstow

Posté 04 mars 2010 - 08:38

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No.

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#78
Master Smurf

Posté 04 mars 2010 - 08:39

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So how do you fire the Claymore without losing your arm and how does a targeting visor work?

And how does a combat exoskeleton stop you from falling over - all in-game "realities"

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#79
vashts1985

Posté 04 mars 2010 - 08:43

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addiction21 wrote...

vashts1985 wrote...

Andaius20 wrote...

also Vasht that was some guy goofing off, I highly doubt he would be doing something so stupid in actual combat.

maybe so, but if he was hunkered down behind cover, he could provide suppressing fire like no other lol.

i say its perfectly fine to not like the idea, but dont try to argue it via realism. that is a concept that does not exist in a video game, and its just an exercise in futility.

That **** is heavy. Notice how he has trouble just getting the second gun up to a leveled position. He also had to have the slung and used his entire body to deal with the recoil. He almost goes down when he starts shooting and has to adjust his stance twice. There is no way he could do that down in cover and if he tried he would be forced to expose his head and upper body to do it. Not smart at all.
If you want to supress and enemy you want to actually be able to shoot in their general direction. There is no realism in that video. No solider in their right mind would be doing anything of the sort. Maybe in the most dire of situations but even then it is better to have that second gun sitting next to you to pick up right away.

I think many need to sign up at their local gun range and go find out for them selves. They might even have a M4 or AR-15 for you to play with. If they do just pick it up and shoot it how you think you should shoot it without any advice. Just be sure you have health insurance and a few sick days saved up.

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#80
Kangasniemi

Posté 04 mars 2010 - 08:49

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Master Smurf wrote...

So how do you fire the Claymore without losing your arm and how does a targeting visor work?

And how does a combat exoskeleton stop you from falling over - all in-game "realities"

The ability to shoot the Widow or the Claymore are some what weird desing choices that are not explained at all.

The exoskeleton thing is a game mechanics thing. If they would have explained EVERYTHING in the ME universe, they would be still writing the explanations for ME1. Everything just can't be explained.

But dual-wielding just won't fit in the realism of ME universe.

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#81
ChuckNorris18

Posté 04 mars 2010 - 08:52

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Cross1280 wrote...

No, was crap in Halo, and it was crap in CoD:MW2.

In CoD go akimbo with the models and you will forget anything you ever thought about dual wielding.

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#82
Brixxer600

Posté 04 mars 2010 - 08:53

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I never want to see dual wielding in Mass Effect

That is all

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#83
Master Smurf

Posté 04 mars 2010 - 08:59

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Kangasniemi wrote...

Master Smurf wrote...

So how do you fire the Claymore without losing your arm and how does a targeting visor work?

And how does a combat exoskeleton stop you from falling over - all in-game "realities"

The ability to shoot the Widow or the Claymore are some what weird desing choices that are not explained at all.

The exoskeleton thing is a game mechanics thing. If they would have explained EVERYTHING in the ME universe, they would be still writing the explanations for ME1. Everything just can't be explained.

But dual-wielding just won't fit in the realism of ME universe.

You sound like the atheist Ben Stein shredded in that interview. :innocent:

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#84
DralnuX01

Posté 04 mars 2010 - 09:04

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I think it would be a cool concept to mull over, and to refer to the MW2 haters out there, i personally dual wield SMGs in MW2 and i also went 2nd place in a tournament in Philly using them. You guys just hate cuz you all suck at using them or get pissed when people who do use them destroy you. Back to the dual wielding in Mass Effect 2: It would be cool to see, give it a new aspect and could potentially be a challenging skill to do. I'm sure BioWare could incorporate it into the game somehow. People should think outside of the box, and not complain about other people's ideas.

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#85
Illum.se

Posté 04 mars 2010 - 09:07

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Flash_in_the_flesh wrote...

Dual-wield = zero accuracy = no thx.

Only movie characters dual-wield guns. Soldiers don't.

I agree fully. Dual-wielding swords or whatever is cool, but...

Dual-wielding handguns is retarded, for lack of better words. Not only does it give you ZERO accuracy, it also slows your reloads by 30 seconds or so, and it effortlessly turns you into a barrel-pointing loonie who can randomly discharge in any direction at any time you decide to load/unload/secure/unsecure or any other activity generally required by any weapon.

No thank you.Try shooting a gun for real and you'll understand how monumentally hard it sucks.

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#86
DralnuX01

Posté 04 mars 2010 - 09:10

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I do shoot guns for real, My father has a military weapon locker with many upon many guns and other weapons. I am a country boy at heart but love to play video games. They could easily put a dual wielding aspect into ME2. I do realize about the accuracy issue and it makes sense and i know first hand, however, they could throw it into the game as some sort of cut-scene or something like that with timing on triggers on the controller like some games have. just like the paragon and renagade feature now in ME2.

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#87
Kangasniemi

Posté 04 mars 2010 - 09:13

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Master Smurf wrote...

You sound like the atheist Ben Stein shredded in that interview. :innocent:

Why thank you. I have no idea what so ever who that is.

You must have fun times with every movie, book or game, seeing how you nitpick every single little thing that can be nitpicked.

On a serious note, my explanation did have huge holes in it. But I stand behind my realism argument and i know it's not a perfect argument. And i still think dual-wielding doesn't fit in ME universe. It doesn't fit in MW2 either but that game is a piece of **** so no harm done there.

P.S. Who the hell IS Ben Stein? And what interview?

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#88
sonsonthebia07

Posté 04 mars 2010 - 09:14

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DralnuX01 wrote...

I think it would be a cool concept to mull over, and to refer to the MW2 haters out there, i personally dual wield SMGs in MW2 and i also went 2nd place in a tournament in Philly using them. You guys just hate cuz you all suck at using them or get pissed when people who do use them destroy you. Back to the dual wielding in Mass Effect 2: It would be cool to see, give it a new aspect and could potentially be a challenging skill to do. I'm sure BioWare could incorporate it into the game somehow. People should think outside of the box, and not complain about other people's ideas.

I have never even played MW2. And I have nothing against dual-wielding in FPS's - Halo, Perfect Dark, Goldeneye (if you can't tell, I am not really into any of the newer FPS's). I just think they should keep the single weapon set-up the way it is in the Mass Effect universe. If they made this an option in ME3, it wouldn't cause me to not play it, but I am definitely not for it.

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#89
DralnuX01

Posté 04 mars 2010 - 09:19

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It would be an interesting concept to consider people, they could throw it in like as cut-scene or something like they do with the paragon and renegade feature now in ME2. It's not dumb or impossible, and I have shot guns dual style and u can be accurate if you do it right, the way it is portrayed in MW2 and other games is fictional obviously and bears no resemblance to real life dual wielding.

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#90
DralnuX01

Posté 04 mars 2010 - 09:24

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sonsonthebia07 wrote...

I have never even played MW2. And I have nothing against dual-wielding in FPS's - Halo, Perfect Dark, Goldeneye (if you can't tell, I am not really into any of the newer FPS's). I just think they should keep the single weapon set-up the way it is in the Mass Effect universe. If they made this an option in ME3, it wouldn't cause me to not play it, but I am definitely not for it.

well then you are entitled to your own opinion however, games are all the same anymore, they need to break away and do different things. i guess more people in this world are far dumber and full of ignorance than i thought, and have no imagination or creativity to go somewhere in this world and succeed. I do understand where you are coming from but being a huge fan of bioware i would still welcome new concepts to the game and especially the dual wielding(not how they portray it in other games, but more of a realistic style.) It can be done and wouldn't be the end of the world like all you people are depicting it as. sorry:police:

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#91
DralnuX01

Posté 04 mars 2010 - 09:30

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[quote]Master Smurf wrote...

So how do you fire the Claymore without losing your arm and how does a targeting visor work?

And how does a combat exoskeleton stop you from falling over - all in-game "realities"[/quote]

The ability to shoot the Widow or the Claymore are some what weird desing choices that are not explained at all.

The exoskeleton thing is a game mechanics thing. If they would have explained EVERYTHING in the ME universe, they would be still writing the explanations for ME1. Everything just can't be explained.

But dual-wielding just won't fit in the realism of ME universe.

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you sir are a moron, it will and can fit in, they just need to make it realistic and not like the other FPS out there such as MW2 and Halo. Hell they could even make it into a cut-scene style or something just like the renegade and paragon adaptation they threw into ME2 with the cut-scenes and trigger timing. Just think, they would have the first game to actually use dual wielding in a realistic way, it would be a huge landmark in BioWares success. You just have to be creative and actually think outside the box and not follow the common crowd of people and their ignorant views and thoughts.

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#92
Kangasniemi

Posté 04 mars 2010 - 09:35

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DralnuX01 wrote...

sonsonthebia07 wrote...

I have never even played MW2. And I have nothing against dual-wielding in FPS's - Halo, Perfect Dark, Goldeneye (if you can't tell, I am not really into any of the newer FPS's). I just think they should keep the single weapon set-up the way it is in the Mass Effect universe. If they made this an option in ME3, it wouldn't cause me to not play it, but I am definitely not for it.

well then you are entitled to your own opinion however, games are all the same anymore, they need to break away and do different things. i guess more people in this world are far dumber and full of ignorance than i thought, and have no imagination or creativity to go somewhere in this world and succeed. I do understand where you are coming from but being a huge fan of bioware i would still welcome new concepts to the game and especially the dual wielding(not how they portray it in other games, but more of a realistic style.) It can be done and wouldn't be the end of the world like all you people are depicting it as. sorry:police:

So you think MW2 the cooooooooolllllllleeeeeeesssssssttttttttttt game in the whole ****ing universe and dual-wielding is so coooooooooooooooooooooooooooool.

That does not mean that every ****ing game in the planet should now have dual-wielding because the best game in the ****ing universe has it. MW2 is da bomb bro !11!!!!111!!11!! Every game should be exactly like that.

Because something is cool for a 12-year-old doesn't mean it's cool for grown ups, and should not be included in a game that has very well defined coollnes in it. It doesn't need some half ass gansta crap.

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#93
DralnuX01

Posté 04 mars 2010 - 09:39

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it would be a good concept to add into the game just as long as they make it realistic. Not like how movies and other FPS games portray it. It would be a new level of greatness BioWare could claim. They could throw it in like they did the cut-scenes for the paragon and renegade feature in ME2. They could do that and have trigger timing just like the Paragon and Renegade scenes. or some other kind of cut scene style. it is not impossible. for those of you who don't agree, obviously do not have any kind of creativity or imagination, and are too picky and ignorant in your assumptions on what the game should or should not have.

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#94
rabbitchannel

Posté 04 mars 2010 - 09:41

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Kangasniemi wrote...

Master Smurf wrote...

You sound like the atheist Ben Stein shredded in that interview. :innocent:

Why thank you. I have no idea what so ever who that is.

You must have fun times with every movie, book or game, seeing how you nitpick every single little thing that can be nitpicked.

On a serious note, my explanation did have huge holes in it. But I stand behind my realism argument and i know it's not a perfect argument. And i still think dual-wielding doesn't fit in ME universe. It doesn't fit in MW2 either but that game is a piece of **** so no harm done there.

P.S. Who the hell IS Ben Stein? And what interview?

I hope he doesn't mean Richard Dawkins. Ben Stein's questions were childish and loaded. Dawkins was quite astounded. He probably regrets even agreeing to be interviewed.

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#95
DralnuX01

Posté 04 mars 2010 - 09:43

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Well being a game developer with a Ph.D in Communication Media I would know what would be cool and not cool. Everyone has their own opinion and creativity, some just are simple minded like half these people on here, not pointing fingers but you can see them. and MW2 is overrated and even though it is fun, it is NOT realistic like games should be.

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#96
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Posté 04 mars 2010 - 09:51

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DralnuX01 wrote...

sonsonthebia07 wrote...

I have never even played MW2. And I have nothing against dual-wielding in FPS's - Halo, Perfect Dark, Goldeneye (if you can't tell, I am not really into any of the newer FPS's). I just think they should keep the single weapon set-up the way it is in the Mass Effect universe. If they made this an option in ME3, it wouldn't cause me to not play it, but I am definitely not for it.

well then you are entitled to your own opinion however, games are all the same anymore, they need to break away and do different things. i guess more people in this world are far dumber and full of ignorance than i thought, and have no imagination or creativity to go somewhere in this world and succeed. I do understand where you are coming from but being a huge fan of bioware i would still welcome new concepts to the game and especially the dual wielding(not how they portray it in other games, but more of a realistic style.) It can be done and wouldn't be the end of the world like all you people are depicting it as. sorry:police:

And you are entitled to yours, which apparently involves bashing everyone on here that doesn't agree with you.

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#97
Kangasniemi

Posté 04 mars 2010 - 09:52

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DralnuX01 wrote...

it would be a good concept to add into the game just as long as they make it realistic. Not like how movies and other FPS games portray it. It would be a new level of greatness BioWare could claim. They could throw it in like they did the cut-scenes for the paragon and renegade feature in ME2. They could do that and have trigger timing just like the Paragon and Renegade scenes. or some other kind of cut scene style. it is not impossible. for those of you who don't agree, obviously do not have any kind of creativity or imagination, and are too picky and ignorant in your assumptions on what the game should or should not have.

So you want to take the most UNREALISTIC way imaginable to handle fire arms, and want to make a realistic way to use them? Not even your Ph.D. is going to help you there. The only way to make the use of 2 sidearms realistic is use only ONE AT A TIME.

Remember this is Mass Effect NOT the Matrix.

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#98
DralnuX01

Posté 04 mars 2010 - 09:59

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No duh man. You can aim one at a time but still hold two firearms. It is possible and realistic but people can't seem to open their eyes and think outside the box for some reason, but it is okay, I can't change the world and how people think. It was just a concept to be considered and in my opinion it is cool and I will try to pass it through the editors in my department, you never know if they like it then you will be seeing it in the future. However, since I just got my position they may not care about my ideas yet.

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#99
Master Smurf

Posté 04 mars 2010 - 10:10

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rab****annel wrote...

Kangasniemi wrote...

Master Smurf wrote...

You sound like the atheist Ben Stein shredded in that interview. :innocent:

Why thank you. I have no idea what so ever who that is.

You must have fun times with every movie, book or game, seeing how you nitpick every single little thing that can be nitpicked.

On a serious note, my explanation did have huge holes in it. But I stand behind my realism argument and i know it's not a perfect argument. And i still think dual-wielding doesn't fit in ME universe. It doesn't fit in MW2 either but that game is a piece of **** so no harm done there.

P.S. Who the hell IS Ben Stein? And what interview?
I hope he doesn't mean Richard Dawkins. Ben Stein's questions were childish and loaded. Dawkins was quite astounded. He probably regrets even agreeing to be interviewed.

Yes thats one - think it was Expelled Intelligence I think. And Stein wasnt that bad - If the questions were so loaded and Childish you would have thought the guy who tryies his best and lives everyday to shoot down others beliefs would have a solid argument for his point of view. Stunned or Flabbergasted only gets you a 5 second reprieve.

On topic - I brought up three valid in game realities for why DW would be absolutely plausible, even moreso than current in game mechanics. His rebuttals were its not realistic because it isnt - Thats unacceptable IMO

I think my first post says it all - and isnt it better to put something up and go back and forth with arguments than just saying "it stupid" or "not realistic" etc. - This game isnt a sim or sports title.

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#100
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Posté 04 mars 2010 - 10:14

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maybe thru dlc thane will dual wield

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