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[Default137]

DoodleMG wrote...

Default137 wrote...

So people who disagree with you are trolls?

Honestly, what did you expect at the end of Origins, please indulge me, what exactly did you think would happen after an Ultimate Sacrifice?

Quite the contrary, people who disagree with me are fine. It's people who insist on disagreeing with me and being as rude as possible about it that are trolls.

Lack of social skills is no excuse, should that be the case.

Quite frankly, I expected my character to DIE and stay DEAD. On that note, I did still expect that a real expansion would remember the decisions the hero made, as many other discussions are currently complaining. All I did was address to the forums why I was going to buy the game used, to chat with others of a similar opnion, or hear their opinions otherwise. That's not to say I want to hear either, "Your right, these other people are dumb." or "You're a douchebag. Bioware is awesome."

You asked... so I answered.

Well....

To put this in a roleplayers perspective for you.

Your actions in DA:O do carry over.

Thing is, DA:O is not exactly the model of choice, no matter what you do, each race joins up with you, each specific area of the game allies with you, and each obstacle will fall before you, there is not exactly a any real choices here besides the obvious one at the end. In DA:A they have no reason to care about who exactly your Warden chose, the Mages or the Templars, but could easily sum up the entire situation with "The Hero of Ferelden crossed the land, gathering allies from the Brecellian Forest, Redcliffe, the Mage Tower and even Orzammar, deposed Loghain, and used their army to beat back the Archdemon" without once mentioning which side you actually chose.

I mean, how exactly would you cameo an appearence with an Orlesian Warden? "Oh, the past Warden freed us Mages, here, I remember you from the fight at the tower and wanted to give you this?" that just doesn't make any sense at all, there should be no cameos for an Orlesian Warden at all. I could see it being a super big issue if like, you actually went to Orzammar, or to the Forest again, and it was a set race there, but I doubt Bioware will actually do that, since it seems we will be confined to the area around Amarinthene. so we never really DO need to know what the past Warden did.

Just my 2c, but I think you are getting a bit to worked up over something fairly minor.

Modifié par Default137, 03 mars 2010 - 02:29 .

[Nhadalie]

DoodleMG wrote...


I'll admit it... I'm a total "dude". I can't sleep with Alistair... even when I'm supposed to be a woman. xD;

I do feel bad when I tell him "No, I don't want to sleep with you." though... because all of the turn downs sound so... blunt, and mean.

I've never played a male character to the point of sleeping with someone yet. Mostly because.. Well, I understand females better, being one myself. I find it easier to write them.


That's because you're imagining a girl saying them to you.


I dunno. Hardened Alistair is pretty sexy there how he comes onto you. But maybe that's just me and my slightly fangirling ways talking.

Modifié par Nhadalie, 03 mars 2010 - 02:33 .

[DoodleMG]

Default137 wrote...

DoodleMG wrote...

Default137 wrote...

So people who disagree with you are trolls?

Honestly, what did you expect at the end of Origins, please indulge me, what exactly did you think would happen after an Ultimate Sacrifice?

Quite the contrary, people who disagree with me are fine. It's people who insist on disagreeing with me and being as rude as possible about it that are trolls.

Lack of social skills is no excuse, should that be the case.

Quite frankly, I expected my character to DIE and stay DEAD. On that note, I did still expect that a real expansion would remember the decisions the hero made, as many other discussions are currently complaining. All I did was address to the forums why I was going to buy the game used, to chat with others of a similar opnion, or hear their opinions otherwise. That's not to say I want to hear either, "Your right, these other people are dumb." or "You're a douchebag. Bioware is awesome."

You asked... so I answered.

Well....

To put this in a roleplayers perspective for you.

Your actions in DA:O do carry over.

Thing is, DA:O is not exactly the model of choice, no matter what you do, each race joins up with you, each specific area of the game allies with you, and each obstacle will fall before you, there is not exactly a any real choices here besides the obvious one at the end. In DA:A they have no reason to care about who exactly your Warden chose, the Mages or the Templars, but could easily sum up the entire situation with "The Hero of Ferelden crossed the land, gathering allies from the Brecellian Forest, Redcliffe, the Mage Tower and even Orzammar, deposed Loghain, and used their army to beat back the Archdemon" without once mentioning which side you actually chose.

I mean, how exactly would you cameo an appearence with an Orlesian Warden? "Oh, the past Warden freed us Mages, here, I remember you from the fight at the tower and wanted to give you this?" that just doesn't make any sense at all, there should be no cameos for an Orlesian Warden at all. I could see it being a super big issue if like, you actually went to Orzammar, or to the Forest again, and it was a set race there, but I doubt Bioware will actually do that, since it seems we will be confined to the area around Amarinthene. so we never really DO need to know what the past Warden did.

Just my 2c, but I think you are getting a bit to worked up over something fairly minor.

Thanks, you actually just hammered in my point... if you read the entirety of my first post. The one choice that really mattered was the end choice, which really doesn't get carried over for spit in DAA. Technically, one does... but it doesn't, since there were technically only three choices in the first game: Sacrifice Alistair, Die, or have a bastard demon child. Basically, the story for the second one is: "You Lived. Congratulations. Btw, if Alistair lived in your game, you can pretty much assume you had a bastard child."

That's where the problem lies. If your character died, this makes no sense. Hence, my logic that this game wasn't designed to take your death into account since the game itself acts as a standalone story. Sure, you might come across Lilliana who says, "I loved you." or, "I remember you."

But that's just more of a plug to make it feel like an expansion.

The first game is about your warden. The second game is about the WARDENS (plural), so it's irrelevent whether or not your character was involved with the first blight at all. At least, in this game.

Hence, why I say - Direct Sequel - disguised as an Expansion to lower expectations and still allow for price.

That's that.

[DoodleMG]

Nhadalie wrote...

DoodleMG wrote...


I'll admit it... I'm a total "dude". I can't sleep with Alistair... even when I'm supposed to be a woman. xD;

I do feel bad when I tell him "No, I don't want to sleep with you." though... because all of the turn downs sound so... blunt, and mean.

I've never played a male character to the point of sleeping with someone yet. Mostly because.. Well, I understand females better, being one myself. I find it easier to write them.


That's because you're imagining a girl saying them to you.


I dunno. Hardened Alistair is pretty sexy there how he comes onto you. But maybe that's just me and my slightly fangirling ways talking.

It might also be that Alistair reminds me of... well... me. D: I'm a bad flirt, with really bad jokes. And I laugh at myself too, no matter how awful.

It's like... dating a brother or something... o-o

[Default137]

DoodleMG wrote...

Default137 wrote...

DoodleMG wrote...

Default137 wrote...

So people who disagree with you are trolls?

Honestly, what did you expect at the end of Origins, please indulge me, what exactly did you think would happen after an Ultimate Sacrifice?

Quite the contrary, people who disagree with me are fine. It's people who insist on disagreeing with me and being as rude as possible about it that are trolls.

Lack of social skills is no excuse, should that be the case.

Quite frankly, I expected my character to DIE and stay DEAD. On that note, I did still expect that a real expansion would remember the decisions the hero made, as many other discussions are currently complaining. All I did was address to the forums why I was going to buy the game used, to chat with others of a similar opnion, or hear their opinions otherwise. That's not to say I want to hear either, "Your right, these other people are dumb." or "You're a douchebag. Bioware is awesome."

You asked... so I answered.

Well....

To put this in a roleplayers perspective for you.

Your actions in DA:O do carry over.

Thing is, DA:O is not exactly the model of choice, no matter what you do, each race joins up with you, each specific area of the game allies with you, and each obstacle will fall before you, there is not exactly a any real choices here besides the obvious one at the end. In DA:A they have no reason to care about who exactly your Warden chose, the Mages or the Templars, but could easily sum up the entire situation with "The Hero of Ferelden crossed the land, gathering allies from the Brecellian Forest, Redcliffe, the Mage Tower and even Orzammar, deposed Loghain, and used their army to beat back the Archdemon" without once mentioning which side you actually chose.

I mean, how exactly would you cameo an appearence with an Orlesian Warden? "Oh, the past Warden freed us Mages, here, I remember you from the fight at the tower and wanted to give you this?" that just doesn't make any sense at all, there should be no cameos for an Orlesian Warden at all. I could see it being a super big issue if like, you actually went to Orzammar, or to the Forest again, and it was a set race there, but I doubt Bioware will actually do that, since it seems we will be confined to the area around Amarinthene. so we never really DO need to know what the past Warden did.

Just my 2c, but I think you are getting a bit to worked up over something fairly minor.

Thanks, you actually just hammered in my point... if you read the entirety of my first post. The one choice that really mattered was the end choice, which really doesn't get carried over for spit in DAA. Technically, one does... but it doesn't, since there were technically only three choices in the first game: Sacrifice Alistair, Die, or have a bastard demon child. Basically, the story for the second one is: "You Lived. Congratulations. Btw, if Alistair lived in your game, you can pretty much assume you had a bastard child."

That's where the problem lies. If your character died, this makes no sense. Hence, my logic that this game wasn't designed to take your death into account since the game itself acts as a standalone story. Sure, you might come across Lilliana who says, "I loved you." or, "I remember you."

But that's just more of a plug to make it feel like an expansion.

The first game is about your warden. The second game is about the WARDENS (plural), so it's irrelevent whether or not your character was involved with the first blight at all. At least, in this game.

Hence, why I say - Direct Sequel - disguised as an Expansion to lower expectations and still allow for price.

That's that.

Actually, they all carry over just fine.

If you did the Ultimate Sacrifice, you play an Orlesian Warden now ( or use rez. )

If you did demon baby, chances are, it will appear in either the expansion, or a sequel.

If you let Loghain/Alistar die, you get to live yourself, and they won't appear at all in the expansion.

Saying US doesn't carry over because you have to play a new Warden is just silliness, you DIED, how can your character continue to influence the world, your dead and gone, and its time for new blood to come in and continue making sure Ferelden is safe from the new threat, and that new blood is the Orlesian Warden.

[DoodleMG]

Default137 wrote...


Actually, they all carry over just fine.

If you did the Ultimate Sacrifice, you play an Orlesian Warden now ( or use rez. )

If you did demon baby, chances are, it will appear in either the expansion, or a sequel.

If you let Loghain/Alistar die, you get to live yourself, and they won't appear at all in the expansion.

Saying US doesn't carry over because you have to play a new Warden is just silliness, you DIED, how can your character continue to influence the world, your dead and gone, and its time for new blood to come in and continue making sure Ferelden is safe from the new threat, and that new blood is the Orlesian Warden.

If you died, you import no file, meaning any sides picked and what not are forgotten. Best just to point you to this thread here: http://social.biowar.../index/1310095 

Since that's what we are getting into now.

[Nhadalie]

DoodleMG wrote...

It might also be that Alistair reminds me of... well... me. D: I'm a bad flirt, with really bad jokes. And I laugh at myself too, no matter how awful.

It's like... dating a brother or something... o-o

Haha. I've yet to see a character in a game that was a lot like me. I'm.. Complicated. But I suppose you could argue that all women are.

But if you're a bad flirt like Alistair is, that's cute. I mean. Look at how many fangirls he has.

Sounds more like dating a twin or a clone. ALISTAIR VERSION 2.0!

I am such a dork.

[DoodleMG]

Nhadalie wrote...

DoodleMG wrote...

It might also be that Alistair reminds me of... well... me. D: I'm a bad flirt, with really bad jokes. And I laugh at myself too, no matter how awful.

It's like... dating a brother or something... o-o

Haha. I've yet to see a character in a game that was a lot like me. I'm.. Complicated. But I suppose you could argue that all women are.

But if you're a bad flirt like Alistair is, that's cute. I mean. Look at how many fangirls he has.

Sounds more like dating a twin or a clone. ALISTAIR VERSION 2.0!

I am such a dork.

Ha! It's true. All Women are complicated... and I mean that... in um... a nice... way? xD

And yes, I'm considered a bad flirt. But see, it's actually all part of an ingenious plan. We know that the bad flirting comes off as cute and attracts fangirls.

See the ingenuity involved in such an intricate plan? Ah haaaa.

And don't feel bad for being a dork. I'm on a Videogame forum arguing over game design and roleplaying with people who want nothing more than to just argue with me. I'm a total dork to the tenth degree.

[Cuthlan]

Has Bioware said that there wont be a dialog regarding choices if you start an Orlesian warden?



I have no idea if there will or wont be, but it seems to be that the assumption is that there is not. I know that they said you can't import your US character and use his choices, but do we know that there wont be a quick dialog about your choice of ruler?

[Nhadalie]

DoodleMG wrote...


Ha! It's true. All Women are complicated... and I mean that... in um... a nice... way? xD

And yes, I'm considered a bad flirt. But see, it's actually all part of an ingenious plan. We know that the bad flirting comes off as cute and attracts fangirls.

See the ingenuity involved in such an intricate plan? Ah haaaa.

And don't feel bad for being a dork. I'm on a Videogame forum arguing over game design and roleplaying with people who want nothing more than to just argue with me. I'm a total dork to the tenth degree.

Suuure you do. That's what they all say to girls.

Oh, I'm sure. An ingenious plot against all females who are easy to sway. You forget, we can play those games too.

I never said I felt bad for being a dork. I quite enjoy being one. It's just too bad that being dorky isn't very common.

Why do you think I gave up on the arguing? I'd rather agree to disagree than pointlessly argue with someone.

[DoodleMG]

Cuthlan wrote...

Has Bioware said that there wont be a dialog regarding choices if you start an Orlesian warden?

I have no idea if there will or wont be, but it seems to be that the assumption is that there is not. I know that they said you can't import your US character and use his choices, but do we know that there wont be a quick dialog about your choice of ruler?

Now that's a good point. That would certainly be a nice fix if they implemented it. Try bringing it up in one of the other posts. I'm sure a lot of people would appreciate something like that. The main problem is, a lot of people don't want to survive, and have the Morrigan rape backdrop as a part of their story all of a sudden. xD

[DoodleMG]

Nhadalie wrote...

DoodleMG wrote...


Ha! It's true. All Women are complicated... and I mean that... in um... a nice... way? xD

And yes, I'm considered a bad flirt. But see, it's actually all part of an ingenious plan. We know that the bad flirting comes off as cute and attracts fangirls.

See the ingenuity involved in such an intricate plan? Ah haaaa.

And don't feel bad for being a dork. I'm on a Videogame forum arguing over game design and roleplaying with people who want nothing more than to just argue with me. I'm a total dork to the tenth degree.

Suuure you do. That's what they all say to girls.

Oh, I'm sure. An ingenious plot against all females who are easy to sway. You forget, we can play those games too.

I never said I felt bad for being a dork. I quite enjoy being one. It's just too bad that being dorky isn't very common.

Why do you think I gave up on the arguing? I'd rather agree to disagree than pointlessly argue with someone.

See? I've told you, and you're still none the wiser. Ingenious. xD

I didn't mean to say you should feel bad... I'm a dork and I don't. I do feel like I am going blind though from the computer. That kind of sucks.

Oh, and yeah... people got mad that I pointed out what I didn't want to hear anymore... because I didn't want to pointlessly argue over something we'd already covered in old posts. ):

[Nhadalie]

DoodleMG wrote...


See? I've told you, and you're still none the wiser. Ingenious. xD

I didn't mean to say you should feel bad... I'm a dork and I don't. I do feel like I am going blind though from the computer. That kind of sucks.

Oh, and yeah... people got mad that I pointed out what I didn't want to hear anymore... because I didn't want to pointlessly argue over something we'd already covered in old posts. ):

Who says I'm none the wiser? Perhaps I'm merely playing along with your ingenious plot. ;3

I feel worse for hijacking the thread than I do for being a dork. I'm quite happy being a dork with my fangirling, D&D based game playing ways.


You're hardly the only one going blind from the computer. I bet half of all people my age are blind from either the tv or computer.


Unfortunately, that leaves them with very little to talk about on topic.

I'm still considering making an Anders romance mod, if there isn't even any flirting there. But I don't know very much about modding, and the DA toolset hates me.

[Cuthlan]

Seems like it would be much easier to do than to set the game up for importing the dead warden. And if it wasn't in Awakening when it went gold (hell, I don't even remember a gold announcement), Bioware could be working on a patch to add it after the community reaction to the idea (which is definitely something they wouldn't make public until it was officially ready to go).

[DoodleMG]

Cuthlan wrote...

Seems like it would be much easier to do than to set the game up for importing the dead warden. And if it wasn't in Awakening when it went gold (hell, I don't even remember a gold announcement), Bioware could be working on a patch to add it after the community reaction to the idea (which is definitely something they wouldn't make public until it was officially ready to go).

Yup! Probably why they are keeping their mouths shut right now. xD

[DoodleMG]

Nhadalie wrote...

DoodleMG wrote...


See? I've told you, and you're still none the wiser. Ingenious. xD

I didn't mean to say you should feel bad... I'm a dork and I don't. I do feel like I am going blind though from the computer. That kind of sucks.

Oh, and yeah... people got mad that I pointed out what I didn't want to hear anymore... because I didn't want to pointlessly argue over something we'd already covered in old posts. ):

Who says I'm none the wiser? Perhaps I'm merely playing along with your ingenious plot. ;3

I feel worse for hijacking the thread than I do for being a dork. I'm quite happy being a dork with my fangirling, D&D based game playing ways.


You're hardly the only one going blind from the computer. I bet half of all people my age are blind from either the tv or computer.


Unfortunately, that leaves them with very little to talk about on topic.

I'm still considering making an Anders romance mod, if there isn't even any flirting there. But I don't know very much about modding, and the DA toolset hates me.

Suuuurree... xD But yeah... totally off topic. So, I sent a friend request. Chat later about your fangirling and D&D ways. ;P

[vocalemuse]

Cuthlan wrote...

Seems like it would be much easier to do than to set the game up for importing the dead warden. And if it wasn't in Awakening when it went gold (hell, I don't even remember a gold announcement), Bioware could be working on a patch to add it after the community reaction to the idea (which is definitely something they wouldn't make public until it was officially ready to go).

I hope they do this, because the Ultimate Sacrifice should be just that - the end, finito, no more. The whole 'dead Warden suddenly comes back to life for no logical reason at all zomg!' thing reminds me too much of an old Power Rangers episode or something as equally corny: where a dead character just pops up like a damned daisy again one day.

Modifié par vocalemuse, 03 mars 2010 - 03:15 .

[Fycan]

Cuthlan wrote...
Has Bioware said that there wont be a dialog regarding choices if you start an Orlesian warden?
I have no idea if there will or wont be, but it seems to be that the assumption is that there is not. I know that they said you can't import your US character and use his choices, but do we know that there wont be a quick dialog about your choice of ruler?

DUDE, Maybe  if you start as an Orlesian Warden @ the very beginning you will be asked about History.. you know?

k here, this is for the ppl who did the US:
a random Stranger will show up and ask your new Orlesian Warden about what had already happened,
So if you chose to side with Harromont, you can say "Harromont became king" in the dialogue, and then the game will memorize that dialogue option as what had happened. then ofcourse he will ask about the elves and the wolves, um what else, but with that Technique, all the information CAN be transferred over into the Awakening without breaking the plot.

[DoodleMG]

vocalemuse wrote...

Cuthlan wrote...

Seems like it would be much easier to do than to set the game up for importing the dead warden. And if it wasn't in Awakening when it went gold (hell, I don't even remember a gold announcement), Bioware could be working on a patch to add it after the community reaction to the idea (which is definitely something they wouldn't make public until it was officially ready to go).

I hope they do this, because the Ultimate Sacrifice should be just that - the end, finito, no more. The whole 'dead Warden suddenly comes back to life for no logical reason zomg!' thing reminds me too much of an old Power Rangers episode or something as equally corny.

Precisely. Even bringing someone back to life always makes me think of the Million Dollar Man... and the quote, "We can rebuild him..."

[Fycan]

hell they could even let you TYPE IN your Dead Warden name at the beginning and.. oh nvm thats not possible lol

[Cuthlan]

vocalemuse wrote...

Cuthlan wrote...

Seems like it would be much easier to do than to set the game up for importing the dead warden. And if it wasn't in Awakening when it went gold (hell, I don't even remember a gold announcement), Bioware could be working on a patch to add it after the community reaction to the idea (which is definitely something they wouldn't make public until it was officially ready to go).

I hope they do this, because the Ultimate Sacrifice should be just that - the end, finito, no more. The whole 'dead Warden suddenly comes back to life for no logical reason zomg!' thing reminds me too much of an old Power Rangers episode or something as equally corny.

Well, in the game he wont magically come back to life, the game will just assume that you chose a different ending. At least that's what they've said.

There would be a backlash of people who don't care about the story if they'd set it up so people who made the sacrifice couldn't import, people who just want to keep playing the character regardless of choices they'd made. I'm not one of them, but I can certainly see it happening.
Hard to please everyone, but trying to has become the policy.

(I'm reminded of the Mask of the Betrayer expansion for NWN2... people who sided with the King of Shadows in the original game still wanted to continue in Mask of the Betrayer. Obsidian basically told them that if they'd done that, evil had won and that is that... the story is over. Mask of the Betrayer was for everyone else.)

[Nhadalie]

I'm probably going to end up making an Orlesian Warden for my first play through of Awakening. Unless of course the hairstyle mods and such still work.

The way I look at it, if people really want to explain alternate ideas, they should write fanfics about it. Because that way they can show their idea, and still enjoy it as it is.

In my mind, my HNF wouldn't go to Amarathine. Because well.. In my story, she gets pregnant towards the end of Origins. As sort of a work around on the dark ritual with Morrigan. Which is also part of why I'll play an Orlesian Warden once through anyway.

Modifié par Nhadalie, 03 mars 2010 - 03:21 .

[Cuthlan]

I'll try an Orlesian just to see the story from that side. And to play a human warrior or rogue. I've already got my human noble, I wanna play a human from a different origin (and I don't mean a mage. )

[vocalemuse]

I'll play an Orlesian Warden too, a human warrior. I've already got an elf mage and a dalish elf rogue, plus my human noble rogue. xD I think it's obvious which class I like, rofl.

[Fycan]

Nhadalie wrote...
I'm probably going to end up making an Orlesian Warden for my first play through of Awakening. Unless of course the hairstyle mods and such still work.
The way I look at it, if people really want to explain alternate ideas, they should write fanfics about it. Because that way they can show their idea, and still enjoy it as it is.
In my mind, my HNF wouldn't go to Amarathine. Because well.. In my story, she gets pregnant towards the end of Origins. As sort of a work around on the dark ritual with Morrigan. Which is also part of why I'll play an Orlesian Warden once through anyway.

yea I remember u from the OMG HAIRMOD & Awakening thread lol

I never even thought of that as a possibility.. just totally imagining that my character is enjoying the time in the castle.. I mean has there been a little map in the castle where your King/Queen character could just walk around or swim in Soverigns over and over again then i wouldn't have any problem not importing him over.. I just had to see my King being pimp rich and stuff in action.