Codex: Nothing lasts forever. The Starmetal quickly melts into water during your travel to Amarantine. It is as if the particle cannot sustain the harsh environment no more. poof!Torhagen wrote...
A big Problem i have is that i have a sword made from starmetal and for my warden this is not just a lifestyle item so it is paramount that i will not have to part with it just because bioware did not plan ahead.
Cuthlan wrote...
Because there are people who want to continue playing their sacrificed character, despite it not making sense.
So if they allow that person to upload, and then let the person who doesn't and makes an Orlesian Warden instead answer a few dialog questions to reflect choices in Origins, everyone wins.
I'm hoping this is the route they took.
So after importing an US'ed Warden, you suggest there be a button asking [new Orlegian Warden / lucky and living KO'ed Warden] ???Zukhramm wrote...
Cuthlan wrote...
Because there are people who want to continue playing their sacrificed character, despite it not making sense.
So if they allow that person to upload, and then let the person who doesn't and makes an Orlesian Warden instead answer a few dialog questions to reflect choices in Origins, everyone wins.
I'm hoping this is the route they took.
You missunderstand me. What I meanis not that playing the Orlesian Warden should be forced, but that if the Orlesian Warden is chosen, the game could read the variables regarding the choices from chosen save instead of having it done through dialogs. Though a scene were the Orlesian Warden explains to someone else what happened or something would really have the same result, so it's not like it's something realy important.
Fycan wrote...
So after importing an US'ed Warden, you suggest there be a button asking [new Orlegian Warden / lucky and living KO'ed Warden] ???Zukhramm wrote...
Cuthlan wrote...
Because there are people who want to continue playing their sacrificed character, despite it not making sense.
So if they allow that person to upload, and then let the person who doesn't and makes an Orlesian Warden instead answer a few dialog questions to reflect choices in Origins, everyone wins.
I'm hoping this is the route they took.
You missunderstand me. What I meanis not that playing the Orlesian Warden should be forced, but that if the Orlesian Warden is chosen, the game could read the variables regarding the choices from chosen save instead of having it done through dialogs. Though a scene were the Orlesian Warden explains to someone else what happened or something would really have the same result, so it's not like it's something realy important.
Zukhramm wrote...
Fycan wrote...
So after importing an US'ed Warden, you suggest there be a button asking [new Orlegian Warden / lucky and living KO'ed Warden] ???Zukhramm wrote...
Cuthlan wrote...
Because there are people who want to continue playing their sacrificed character, despite it not making sense.
So if they allow that person to upload, and then let the person who doesn't and makes an Orlesian Warden instead answer a few dialog questions to reflect choices in Origins, everyone wins.
I'm hoping this is the route they took.
You missunderstand me. What I meanis not that playing the Orlesian Warden should be forced, but that if the Orlesian Warden is chosen, the game could read the variables regarding the choices from chosen save instead of having it done through dialogs. Though a scene were the Orlesian Warden explains to someone else what happened or something would really have the same result, so it's not like it's something realy important.
Yes.
Default137 wrote...
DoodleMG wrote...
Default137 wrote...
Actually, they all carry over just fine.
If you did the Ultimate Sacrifice, you play an Orlesian Warden now ( or use rez. )
If you did demon baby, chances are, it will appear in either the expansion, or a sequel.
If you let Loghain/Alistar die, you get to live yourself, and they won't appear at all in the expansion.
Saying US doesn't carry over because you have to play a new Warden is just silliness, you DIED, how can your character continue to influence the world, your dead and gone, and its time for new blood to come in and continue making sure Ferelden is safe from the new threat, and that new blood is the Orlesian Warden.
If you died, you import no file, meaning any sides picked and what not are forgotten. Best just to point you to this thread here: http://social.biowar.../index/1310095
Since that's what we are getting into now.
We honestly don't know however.
What I'm trying to say is that, if you look at it logically, they will obviously mention the Warden, obviously, the Warden died, and obviously all Wardens end up doing the same thing ( all Wardens unite the Dwarves, all Wardens save the Mages, all Wardens save Eamon, the Dalish survive even if you throw the Werewolves at them, and all US Wardens in regards to the new story would have put Alistar or Anora on the throne, and Loghain would have been killed. )
And really, none of the end choices really work that well either for a US Warden, Alistar on a US playthrough can either be King, or a Drunk, Loghain will always go to the Deep Roads after you die, Anora will continue leading anyway. The only thing you could really choose in DA:O that has any real reason to make it over to DA:A is the Anora/Alistar choice, and considering what the two outcomes are of that ( Anora disappear, Anora is queen, Alistar rebuilds Wardens, Alistar is King ) its obvious Alistar will be King, but not sure about Anora.
Thats basically what I'm trying to say, there is only one choice in the entire game that could even be brought over on a US save, and it was already set in stone since there is only one way to handle it on a US playthough, none of the other choices throughout the game will matter more then cameos, so why would they appear to an Orlesian Warden, do you really want a serious immersion break of having Jowan talk to you as though he's known you for years? Do you want Alistar to talk about the good old days with your Orlesian? What exactly do you want Bioware to do?
Really, the US ending gets the best things in DA:A from what I hear, playing a Orlesian Warden is a huge difference from a Ferelden Warden, everyone reacts to you differently, the intro is different, the racism is very present, the way the game goes is altered just because your an Orlesian, and people don't trust you enough to handle their problems, its a whole unique storyline, just for the people who USed.
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UnPlayer88 wrote...
Wait for the game and then post your personal rants, mmk? Otherwise your rants just come off as presumptuous.
Fycan wrote...
mmmmmmmmmmmk
DoodleMG wrote...
DaerogTheDhampir wrote...
As for travelling with your lover, it does say in the original
epilogue that "you travel for a time then part ways." Part
ways not permanently, but you both do separate things for a
time, and DA:A is months after DA:O. You did your traveling,
now you're back.
Romances are a minor issue, although it still bugs me.
No, the main concern is... say, Booting up the Expansion for
Baldur's Gate, and it telling you to upload a face or make a
new character.
They wouldn't have the problem, we found the solution here in this thread, meaning they already should long time agoladydesire wrote...
Why does an expansion have to continue things exactly where they left off? Why can't it "expand" the world and introduce new characters, which is what Awakening is doing. I'm annoyed that the Ultimate Sacrifice ending isn't going to allow you to continue in the world with a different character, but maybe Bioware couldn't get it to work properly by importing that character.DoodleMG wrote...
Romances are a minor issue, although it still bugs me.DaerogTheDhampir wrote...
As for travelling with your lover, it does say in the original
epilogue that "you travel for a time then part ways." Part
ways not permanently, but you both do separate things for a
time, and DA:A is months after DA:O. You did your traveling,
now you're back.
No, the main concern is... say, Booting up the Expansion for
Baldur's Gate, and it telling you to upload a face or make a
new character.
Nhadalie wrote...
~snickers~ Can't resist it? Why does that sound like a typically male problem there?
I made a male human noble once. To see how the origin was different. It was even funnier than the female one. Telling Ferghus that you had someone waiting for you to make being sent to bed early better made me giggle.
But then part of it was because the guy character was the polar opposite of Kendra. Womanizer and flirt to the core.
I also made a male city elf once. I don't think the origin was all that different. I liked the female one better.
Default137 wrote...
DoodleMG wrote...
Default137 wrote...
So people who disagree with you are trolls?
Honestly, what did you expect at the end of Origins, please indulge me, what exactly did you think would happen after an Ultimate Sacrifice?
Quite the contrary, people who disagree with me are fine. It's people who insist on disagreeing with me and being as rude as possible about it that are trolls.
Lack of social skills is no excuse, should that be the case.
Quite frankly, I expected my character to DIE and stay DEAD. On that note, I did still expect that a real expansion would remember the decisions the hero made, as many other discussions are currently complaining. All I did was address to the forums why I was going to buy the game used, to chat with others of a similar opnion, or hear their opinions otherwise. That's not to say I want to hear either, "Your right, these other people are dumb." or "You're a douchebag. Bioware is awesome."
You asked... so I answered.
Well....
To put this in a roleplayers perspective for you.
Your actions in DA:O do carry over.
Thing is, DA:O is not exactly the model of choice, no matter what you do, each race joins up with you, each specific area of the game allies with you, and each obstacle will fall before you, there is not exactly a any real choices here besides the obvious one at the end. In DA:A they have no reason to care about who exactly your Warden chose, the Mages or the Templars, but could easily sum up the entire situation with "The Hero of Ferelden crossed the land, gathering allies from the Brecellian Forest, Redcliffe, the Mage Tower and even Orzammar, deposed Loghain, and used their army to beat back the Archdemon" without once mentioning which side you actually chose.
I mean, how exactly would you cameo an appearence with an Orlesian Warden? "Oh, the past Warden freed us Mages, here, I remember you from the fight at the tower and wanted to give you this?" that just doesn't make any sense at all, there should be no cameos for an Orlesian Warden at all. I could see it being a super big issue if like, you actually went to Orzammar, or to the Forest again, and it was a set race there, but I doubt Bioware will actually do that, since it seems we will be confined to the area around Amarinthene. so we never really DO need to know what the past Warden did.
Just my 2c, but I think you are getting a bit to worked up over something fairly minor.
Modifié par mcomommy, 03 mars 2010 - 05:52 .
mcomommy wrote...
I played through as a HMN once...I totally forgot I was supposed to be a dude, and slept with Dairren. I guess that made it accidentally gay?
Modifié par Nhadalie, 03 mars 2010 - 05:53 .
Nhadalie wrote...
Did you tell Fergus you had someone waiting for you in bed?
mcomommy wrote...
Nhadalie wrote...
Did you tell Fergus you had someone waiting for you in bed?
I did. Apparently he was accidentally gay alot, because Fergus knew it was another guy waiting for me. O.o I was mortified and my roommate thought it was hillarious.
bluewolv1970 wrote...
Default137 wrote...
DoodleMG wrote...
Default137 wrote...
So people who disagree with you are trolls?
Honestly, what did you expect at the end of Origins, please indulge me, what exactly did you think would happen after an Ultimate Sacrifice?
Quite the contrary, people who disagree with me are fine. It's people who insist on disagreeing with me and being as rude as possible about it that are trolls.
Lack of social skills is no excuse, should that be the case.
Quite frankly, I expected my character to DIE and stay DEAD. On that note, I did still expect that a real expansion would remember the decisions the hero made, as many other discussions are currently complaining. All I did was address to the forums why I was going to buy the game used, to chat with others of a similar opnion, or hear their opinions otherwise. That's not to say I want to hear either, "Your right, these other people are dumb." or "You're a douchebag. Bioware is awesome."
You asked... so I answered.
Well....
To put this in a roleplayers perspective for you.
Your actions in DA:O do carry over.
Thing is, DA:O is not exactly the model of choice, no matter what you do, each race joins up with you, each specific area of the game allies with you, and each obstacle will fall before you, there is not exactly a any real choices here besides the obvious one at the end. In DA:A they have no reason to care about who exactly your Warden chose, the Mages or the Templars, but could easily sum up the entire situation with "The Hero of Ferelden crossed the land, gathering allies from the Brecellian Forest, Redcliffe, the Mage Tower and even Orzammar, deposed Loghain, and used their army to beat back the Archdemon" without once mentioning which side you actually chose.
I mean, how exactly would you cameo an appearence with an Orlesian Warden? "Oh, the past Warden freed us Mages, here, I remember you from the fight at the tower and wanted to give you this?" that just doesn't make any sense at all, there should be no cameos for an Orlesian Warden at all. I could see it being a super big issue if like, you actually went to Orzammar, or to the Forest again, and it was a set race there, but I doubt Bioware will actually do that, since it seems we will be confined to the area around Amarinthene. so we never really DO need to know what the past Warden did.
Just my 2c, but I think you are getting a bit to worked up over something fairly minor.
So if you play as the orlesian warden you do not think the following choices should be important to the continuity of the world created by the US warden
--- whether or not the circle of mage still exists?
---Whether or not werewolves are trying to intigrate in normal society?
---Whether or not you destroyed the anvil of the void?
Those seem to be big enough to be at least casually referenced in an orlesian playthrough -
Challseus wrote...
I know I am extremely late to the party, but... With regards to
the Ultimate Sacrifice ending, why does it matter that Bioware
gives the option to play that character in Awakenings? If
others want to just pick off where they left off with that
character, it's their choice, right? I mean, no one is forcing you
to pick that character...
I'm not much of a roleplayer, so my perspective is probably
skewed, but if you're roleplaying that that particular PC is
dead, then, wouldn't you just start with another one? Why try
to penalize the people who would want to use that character (
not that Bioware is going to change anything at this point
anyway), if you can just ignore it?
*Shrug*
ladydesire wrote...
Challseus wrote...
I know I am extremely late to the party, but... With regards to
the Ultimate Sacrifice ending, why does it matter that Bioware
gives the option to play that character in Awakenings? If
others want to just pick off where they left off with that
character, it's their choice, right? I mean, no one is forcing you
to pick that character...
I'm not much of a roleplayer, so my perspective is probably
skewed, but if you're roleplaying that that particular PC is
dead, then, wouldn't you just start with another one? Why try
to penalize the people who would want to use that character (
not that Bioware is going to change anything at this point
anyway), if you can just ignore it?
*Shrug*
I think what they want is to play the Orlesian Warden with the decisions that were made that led to the Ultimate Sacrifice in place.
QFTEvolution33 wrote...
I think the solution is like in real
life. If you want to keep all the stuff you have and see what happens
in the future don't kill yourself.
I don't think anyone would go so far as to dig the dead Warden's Grave just to loot his belongings.. oh.. and generously donated all those loot back to the Wardens..DoodleMG wrote...
Exactly. Also, should we play as an Orlesian after uploading our game file, shouldn't we be able to have our items too? Our US Warden may be a dead Warden, but no reason not to send all of his/her stuff to the Wardens in Orlesia.ladydesire wrote...
I think what they want is to play the Orlesian Warden with the decisions that were made that led to the Ultimate Sacrifice in place.Challseus wrote...
I know I am extremely late to the party, but... With regards to
the Ultimate Sacrifice ending, why does it matter that Bioware
gives the option to play that character in Awakenings? If
others want to just pick off where they left off with that
character, it's their choice, right? I mean, no one is forcing you
to pick that character...
I'm not much of a roleplayer, so my perspective is probably
skewed, but if you're roleplaying that that particular PC is
dead, then, wouldn't you just start with another one? Why try
to penalize the people who would want to use that character (
not that Bioware is going to change anything at this point
anyway), if you can just ignore it?
*Shrug*
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