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[The Angry One]

superimposed wrote...

I don't think Bioware tends to make games for guys so much as the games they do make tend to appeal more to guys. Shootie, blowie uppie things.

You'd be surprised how many girls like to pew pew.

[Lord_Moose]

It is not possible through a Maleshep *shrugs*

It was a bromance anyway



Though saying femsheps need more human males just because YOU dont like Jacob or Zaeed doesnt seem fair, if you look at the Spill some Drink thread or the Zaeed is my Boy topic, you can see that there are some woman who do enjoy the two.



My Worry is that Adding Kasumi will give us a bit of a problem. The Kodiak only fits 12 at most when looking at the codex, and its cramped. We currently have 11 squadies and Shep. Kasumi makes 13.

Do we leave someone behind? O.o

[superimposed]

"Suit linking"

Is that what the college girls are calling it these days?



You never know, the 'poor relationships' in ME:2 might be that way for a reason.

Point is, I do agree that it's bull**** how you have to romance someone to get them to open up to you.

[SaulTighsEyePatch]

Jacob is supposed to be the hunky male character. Its your fault you don't like Black men.

[AlenkoFan88]

Modifié par AlenkoFan88, 03 mars 2010 - 05:18 .

[binaryemperor]

manbearpig654 wrote...

How about more aliens instead.

How 'bout more robots?


I call having a YMIR mech as a squaddie.

that, or an Armature or a Prime.

[The Angry One]

SaulTighsEyePatch wrote...

Jacob is supposed to be the hunky male character. Its your fault you don't like Black men.

Jacob is a badly written character with rather odd physical proportions.
His race has nothing to do with it.

[AlenkoFan88]

I agree. Not that I'm against any alien lovin but as someone else already pointed out, the alien romance options for a femshep just seem so...alien, while the female aliens have the perfect female physique and closely resemble humans.

I wish we would have seen more of Kaidan in ME2. I'm currently flirtin around with Jacob but the romance with him seems way too fabricated. Its not as believable for me like Kaidan and Shepards love was. Seeing as we have awhile before ME3, I'll likely continue the relationship with Jacob just to see how that goes and then play through again and stay faithful to Kaidan for my ME3 save game.

I do think they did a pretty good job gearing the game towards females, I'd just like to see a few more options.

[superimposed]

AlenkoFan88 wrote...

*snippity snip*

First one was more 'gender generic' than the second.

[SaulTighsEyePatch]

The Angry One wrote...

SaulTighsEyePatch wrote...

Jacob is supposed to be the hunky male character. Its your fault you don't like Black men.

Jacob is a badly written character with rather odd physical proportions.
His race has nothing to do with it.

I will agree that Jacob is a badly written character, but the TC said she wanted a "hunky" male LI, which I'm assuming she refers only to their physical attributes.

As a male, I'd say Jacob is pretty ripped. How does he have odd physical proportions?

[The Angry One]

SaulTighsEyePatch wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

SaulTighsEyePatch wrote...

Jacob is supposed to be the hunky male character. Its your fault you don't like Black men.

Jacob is a badly written character with rather odd physical proportions.
His race has nothing to do with it.

I will agree that Jacob is a badly written character, but the TC said she wanted a "hunky" male LI, which I'm assuming she refers only to their physical attributes.

As a male, I'd say Jacob is pretty ripped. How does he have odd physical proportions?

He seems rather "top-heavy" to me. He's got a lot of upper body mass and spindly legs. Makes him look cartoonish.

[sedrikhcain]

Madecologist wrote...

A lot of research has shown "woman" or "girl" gamers are far more numerous than a lot of people think. Even with games like Halo (games that many consider to be very "male" oriented) the number of women that play these games are suprisingly high. These figures are suprisingly high even in traditional competitive games, both those involving cooperative behaviours (raiding in MMOs) or outright compitition (Halo Deathmatches).

Though other research did show woman gamers tend to gravitite to certain games, the list of games they prefer is suprisingly high and diverse, and would suprise many male players (basically, no they did not all play PopCap games). Either case, a game like ME does fall on the prefered list easily.

Then perhaps they are intentionally hiding their numbers. I know there are many female gamers and I know their numbers are growing, but considering the extent to which video games have long had appeal to mass audiences among men, I have a hard time believing we're up to 4 out of every 10 gamers being women -- particularly if we exclude singstar, participation games on Wii, etc, which would make sense for this discussion. I just don't see evidence of it in game shops and when I look and see who's playing video games. It seems like it's more like 2 out of 10, and if you limit it to shooters and shooter/rpg hybrids, it appears to be lower than that.

I should say though, I have no science behind this, just what my eyes see. That's why I'm going to contact the publishers of that study for their methodology. If I hear back from them, I'll post results.

[aznsoisauce]

What is this nonsense about Bioware is a bunch of dudes making games for dudes?
There are so many feminine features to their past 2 games that I am alarmed by how many "dudes" are on this forum.

Edit: To be on-topic...
Garrus is probably the manliest thing in the game. It's a shame there isn't a romanceable human male equivalent. Angry Horizon Kaidan comes pretty close, though.  But I am so biased.

Modifié par aznsoisauce, 03 mars 2010 - 05:33 .

[Sharn01]

The Angry One wrote...

SaulTighsEyePatch wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

SaulTighsEyePatch wrote...

Jacob is supposed to be the hunky male character. Its your fault you don't like Black men.

Jacob is a badly written character with rather odd physical proportions.
His race has nothing to do with it.

I will agree that Jacob is a badly written character, but the TC said she wanted a "hunky" male LI, which I'm assuming she refers only to their physical attributes.

As a male, I'd say Jacob is pretty ripped. How does he have odd physical proportions?

He seems rather "top-heavy" to me. He's got a lot of upper body mass and spindly legs. Makes him look cartoonish.

Jacob's waistline is only a little higher then femShep's knee's, yet he is roughly the same height as her, it gives him a gigantic upper body with very short scrawny legs along with a really tiny waist.  Its basicly putting the upper body of a pro wrestler onto the lower body of a 12 year old girl.

[tropicalwave]

Saying she had a crush was not kinky or sexual. She is in awe of Shepard and has very strong feelings on the level beyond friendship but not sexual in nature. The way she said it and then got all embarrassed about it left me to think it was more than friendship but not quite like she wanted to jump me. Though of course we'll never know since they won't let us have more interaction with her beyond that... Blah! In all relationships I feel flat. I want more conversations and more interactions and more options but then again I also want dynamic clothing with its own physics and an AI GM that can adapt to me dynamically as I play so that I can do things that they programmers didn't implement or anticipate.



Gotta shoot for the stars but understand that I can only climb the mountains to get close to them.

[Soma Holiday]

Sharn01 wrote...

Jacob's waistline is only a little higher then femShep's knee's, yet he is roughly the same height as her, it gives him a gigantic upper body with very short scrawny legs along with a really tiny waist.  Its basicly putting the upper body of a pro wrestler onto the lower body of a 12 year old girl.

Exactly!  And don't forget the face!  He looks like Kanye West after he'd had his wisdom teeth removed!   I'm assuming the person suggesting I am a racist is a male, in which case you can't comment about what I am attracted to and simply chocking it up to Jacob being black is racist in itself.  He's not interesting. 

It has nothing to do with his skin color.  I think the Jacob from the PSP game was very attractive, but the ingame version isn't attractive at all.  It's not about appearances with me really.  I would have went for Mordin if he'd have me, because he's interesting, but I still would love to have a male character that was like MaleShep on my crew as a femshep. lol.  Not that my shep is into herself or anything haha, but someone with a forceful personality.

For example, the scene where maleshep and Jack get it on in the basement is really sexy.  i would love for there to me a human male character my femshep could interact with like that...

And that brings up another point.  All the human LI scenes are pretty sexual...they should have spiced up the alien scenes...I want to unzip thanes smexy zipper.

Hell, maybe I would be fine if Kaidan were around more, but he's a little too soft too, I always felt like I romanced him because he was there, not because I wanted him ever.  He's nice though, but my femshep needs someone she can rough up a little more...tehehe

[tropicalwave]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

I have never been in a forum where so many people create threads to whine about how their own personal feelings and beliefs are not being incorporated in the creation of the game they play. There isn't enough females or males. There aren't enough Asians. Why isn't the protagonist European?   Why isn't TIM black? How come my Shep can't be gay. Bioware isn't fair because they are not catering to everybody's beliefs. This game is made by guys for guys. I don't want to buy another game, I wanna buy your game and complain about it until you change it.  Crazy lol

What game forums have you been on?  I seem to see a lot of "I wish posts" on every game.  This game is almost all about the story and dialogue choices.  You get to make a lot of decisions in the game so people want to be able to make the decisions they want.  

They also create romances which opens up a whole can of worms, especially since in ME1 there was a relationship option (female/female) that the didn't have in ME2 and it does seem to be obviously absent (so much so that they explained why before the game even came out, that and why they chose to have no nudity).  

Also the more people like a game the more they want to put input on it.  Many people spend hours and hours talking about TV shows and why they would change and what they would change things.  Since I know very few people in real life that play games let alone ME2 I have to talk about it on the forums and with my friends on Vent (which is tough to do in a game like this.)

[The Angry One]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

 Why isn't the protagonist European?   

Sheploo is. 

[Soma Holiday]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

I have never been in a forum where so many people create threads to whine about how their own personal feelings and beliefs are not being incorporated in the creation of the game they play. There isn't enough females or males. There aren't enough Asians. Why isn't the protagonist European?   Why isn't TIM black? How come my Shep can't be gay. Bioware isn't fair because they are not catering to everybody's beliefs. This game is made by guys for guys. I don't want to buy another game, I wanna buy your game and complain about it until you change it.  Crazy lol

See my previous thoughts on this...

Calm Down, I'm not demanding anything like this, but when you make a game that clearly gives you a choice to play as a gender, then you should tailor to BOTH genders.  If they made the game and you could only play as a male, I wouldn't be asking for an even split, but because they give you the option to play as a female, then they should fully flesh out that experience equally to playing as a male...

if you could play as a transvestite, then yes, they should make the game suitable for that player aswell...

[sedrikhcain]

tropicalwave wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

I have never been in a forum where so many people create threads to whine about how their own personal feelings and beliefs are not being incorporated in the creation of the game they play. There isn't enough females or males. There aren't enough Asians. Why isn't the protagonist European?   Why isn't TIM black? How come my Shep can't be gay. Bioware isn't fair because they are not catering to everybody's beliefs. This game is made by guys for guys. I don't want to buy another game, I wanna buy your game and complain about it until you change it.  Crazy lol

What game forums have you been on?  I seem to see a lot of "I wish posts" on every game.  This game is almost all about the story and dialogue choices.  You get to make a lot of decisions in the game so people want to be able to make the decisions they want.  

They also create romances which opens up a whole can of worms, especially since in ME1 there was a relationship option (female/female) that the didn't have in ME2 and it does seem to be obviously absent (so much so that they explained why before the game even came out, that and why they chose to have no nudity).  

Also the more people like a game the more they want to put input on it.  Many people spend hours and hours talking about TV shows and why they would change and what they would change things.  Since I know very few people in real life that play games let alone ME2 I have to talk about it on the forums and with my friends on Vent (which is tough to do in a game like this.)

People have the right to complain. But there are a lot of threads on these boards started by folks who sound slighted because something very specific isn't in the game. It can't contain everything. The Normandy would need to hold about 5 million people to satisfy all these complaints.

[RPGmom28]

sedrikhcain wrote...

RPGmom28 wrote...

<- female. I hate gaming stores. It's hard to walk because it's so crowded. I buy ALL of my games from either Direct2Drive or have them shipped directly to my house.

are you suggesting that women prefer D2D and men prefer the stores or just stating a personal preference?

What I am saying is that hanging out in gaming stores isn't my thing, and it very well may not be the preference of others as well.  I don't see the point of going through the hassle of fighting the crowds in an age when everything you want can either be downloaded or shipped to your front door.  

There is also a subculture of female gamers that some may not be aware exists.  I have a group of 4 gaming female friends who came to visit me at my home last year from all over the country.  They were part of a Neverwinter Nights 2 fan/fanfic group from Yahoo that was comprised overwhelmingly of women.

[sedrikhcain]

RPGmom28 wrote...

sedrikhcain wrote...

RPGmom28 wrote...

<- female. I hate gaming stores. It's hard to walk because it's so crowded. I buy ALL of my games from either Direct2Drive or have them shipped directly to my house.

are you suggesting that women prefer D2D and men prefer the stores or just stating a personal preference?

What I am saying is that hanging out in gaming stores isn't my thing, and it very well may not be the preference of others as well.  I don't see the point of going through the hassle of fighting the crowds in an age when everything you want can either be downloaded or shipped to your front door.  

There is also a subculture of female gamers that some may not be aware exists.  I have a group of 4 gaming female friends who came to visit me at my home last year from all over the country.  They were part of a Neverwinter Nights 2 fan/fanfic group from Yahoo that was comprised overwhelmingly of women.

I don't "hang out" in game stores either. I purchase games there, in addition to downloading games online. My comments were about stores were based on who I observe purchasing games, not who spends their afternoons there.

I do not doubt for one minute that there are women gamers. I think I've been clear about that, and given the way society generally works, I also don't doubt that a lot of those female gamers cluster into groups designed "just for them", or dominated by them.

But think about the stats the article brought up.

1) 40 per cent of gamers are women. That's 4 out of every 10. Do you believe that's the case? Maybe you do. I'm not asking for proof from you. Just asking whether you believe that's the case.

And if the answer is "yes", then I ask, what do you think the numbers are if we focus on shooter and shooter/rpg hybrids like Mass Effect?

Maybe their numbers include lots of Wii group/party-type gamers and I'm just woefully uninformed. I freely admit that may be the case. Heck, maybe those numbers are based on shooter/rpg numbers alone and I'm even more out of touch. I'm going to research it myself. But I'd like to know whether they sound right to you.

[Soma Holiday]

sedrikhcain wrote...

1) 40 per cent of gamers are women. That's 4 out of every 10. Do you believe that's the case? Maybe you do. I'm not asking for proof from you. Just asking whether you believe that's the case.

And if the answer is "yes", then I ask, what do you think the numbers are if we focus on shooter and shooter/rpg hybrids like Mass Effect?

Maybe their numbers include lots of Wii group/party-type gamers and I'm just woefully uninformed. I freely admit that may be the case. Heck, maybe those numbers are based on shooter/rpg numbers alone and I'm even more out of touch. I'm going to research it myself. But I'd like to know whether they sound right to you.

I think you have to consider that this study wants to proove a point, that there are more female 'gamers' than most people think, but I have no doubt that the lines of what a 'gamer' is become blurred to benefit the study.  I know a lot of girls whose 'gaming' is restricted to puppy games on the DS.  Sure, they are playing games, but they are far from gamers.  Then you have girls that have multiple consoles, Gold Subscriptions, buy Collector's Editions of their favorite games, start video game clubs on their campuses to hold Halo tournaments and red vs blue marathons, and vow that they can die happily once they complete the Mass Effect trilogy...u know those awesome girls.  No one in particular.

Oh yeah, I forgot, the ones who buy hoodies from their favorite game and feel like a beast while wearing it even though it cost just as much as said game...*sigh*  I love my N7 hoodie.

Modifié par Soma Holiday, 03 mars 2010 - 06:28 .