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[pb1285n]

I don't get it, if it is a micropayment it is bad, but expansions are fine? Aren't they the same thing? I don't know about you but if I find a game I really enjoy I want as much content added as possible and I don't mind paying for it.



All you seem to be focusing on is armor.



You don't take into account the 144 voice actors they paid to voice every single line of dialog in the game.



You guys are really just nitpicking now. People whine and whine about the economy and how $7 is too much for you to spend without realizing that their are people at the other end of this who need to get paid and have families to feed too.



You get more then what most games give you in the base game alone. If you choose to skip large portions of the game to rush to the end then that is your problem and this game was obviously not for you.



The DLCs are simply extra content for players who want to explore the game longer can choose to purchase. I don't care if they release 100 DLCs over the next year. If I enjoy the game I will be happy to purchase the ones that interest me.



and it is really unbelievable that an NPC that you can choose to ignore bothers you. You whiney little brat, get over yourself and just ignore him. You are the one choosing to get all up tight over some random NPC that you never even have to look at.



If you don't want to pay for extra content you have a free toolkit where anyone can create all the free content they want.

[maladictor2009]

I agree with the main poster. They had all the content done before release and yet they are selling it to us now.



Thats called EA digging for consumer gold. ahhhh the happy little kids which will pay for anything......

[Sipherious]

Shame on you for not supporting Bioware and their efforts to actually release continuing content for the game after it was feature-locked in the form of DLC.

[JigPig]

Massive butthurt detected in thread. Don't like it? Don't play, better yet, when you see the NPC in question scream at the top of your lungs that he doesn't exist and close your eyes.

[Skibo1219]

There is one thing missing here, your internet connection, if you dont have one, you dont get any free content that you paid for. I am blocked somewhere between my ISP and EA, so the game says I have no internet, but guess what , I ll be damned!! the DLC content offered shows up on my doorstep along with the advertisement (DLC guy in camp) How the hell....?

Game is incomplete for damned sure, as intended.

[Skibo1219]

quickreply sucks

Modifié par Skibo1219, 08 novembre 2009 - 12:08 .

[Skibo1219]

hmmm quick reply doesnt work at intended tho

[Oliver Sudden]

I got a kick out of that NPC. His advert was so over the top it reminded me of the product placements on the TV show 30 Rock.



And, I think I read that Bioware was claiming responsibility for the DLC and that it wasn't EA's decision at all. Which surprised me.

[Erik Mcvay]

i kinda agree on the armor there are only like 10 whole armor sets with just different skins and it kinda puts me off but you dont "have" to buy the dlc

[Spaghetti_Ninja]

And we have another one, ladies and gentlemen.



Again. Sticky. PLEAAAAASE.

[sinohptik]

Its humorous to always see the "dont play it" ploy. Its like saying "if you dont like it here, get out!" Its a ridiculous notion to think that what exists is perfect. There are always ways to improve things, period. If gamers/consumers dont voice their opinions, they will not be heard. Its as simple as that. Some could certainly pose them in a more mature manner, but that goes for both sides.

I personally love the game. Its not something that would make me stop playing. I voiced my opinion that lack of permanent storage without paying $7.00 is not an idea that i like. I was definitely taken aback when i went to said NPC in the camp though. I certainly did not expect to get denied so early in the games release. Really all i want is permanent storage. The quest itself sounds fun, and it would be great if it was optional. The lack of permanent storage, however, is something that comes with the purchase of every other game out there.

I mean, i am definitely happy it (permanent storage) exists in the game at all, but it certainly seems like something that should simply be an in-game feature to begin with. The quest itself being DLC? Not a problem with that at all. I am constantly having to go out of my way to find somewhere to dump my items off because i dont have room for all the things i want to keep. Permanent storage is not a new thing. Its not something that was just created. If anything, it should have been available through a patch, available outside of paid DLC. Its just a central function of 99% of RPGs on the market, and i have a feeling EA knew that...

Beyond that, there is a very real possibility of where this type of thing will lead. Really think about it. Outside of the gaming realm, we have talks about yearly software leases for OS's and other critical software. Its probable that this will bleed over into gaming, and we MIGHT (key word) be seeing the beginning of that with events like this.

Modifié par sinohptik, 08 novembre 2009 - 12:17 .

[sinohptik]

double post   any way to delete?  man, the delay on posting really throws me off!

Modifié par sinohptik, 08 novembre 2009 - 12:15 .

[SpacelordMofo]

I agree, the in-game ads are over the line and should be removed. If customers want more content, they know they can just go online and look for it. No need to disrupt the absorbing atmosphere of this game for something like that.

[xanth22]

You do realize that they gave peole the mini expansion for free for buying the copy to the game? Also do not update to 1.01 its corrupt

[Srikandi715]

Here's the deal: there are lots of free to play games that are supported ENTIRELY through microtransactions. That's fine. That's how the devs get paid. I don't like it, so I don't play those games, but that's my choice.

DA:O is not free to play. It costs a big chunk of money straight up.

Even if you don't object to DLC in general, you can certainly still object to DLC being hawked by NPCs in-game. Game world characters trying to get into your real world wallet. That is shockingly bad from an aesthetic point of view -- from a game design point of view. Inconspicuous product placement in movies is one thing... but imagine if a character in Star Wars turned to the camera and said, looking right at you, "You want to know how this scene comes out? Buy the director's cut DVD!"

And that is why this DLC makes the game feel so incomplete. Because they put part of the DLC in the base game -- the questgiver and the quest log entry -- and they left part of it out -- the actual quest. So yes, whatever you think of the quantity of armor models, the game IS incomplete.

I wish I had read this before buying the game: http://www.penny-arcade.com/2009/11/6/

And btw, is there a point in whining about this in here? Yes, there is. People with Bioware tags are reading these forums to get an idea of how the game is being received, and it's not just legitimate but even helpful to them to make it clear that this aspect of the game is NOT being well received by a large portion of the community.

Modifié par Srikandi715, 08 novembre 2009 - 12:21 .

[Srikandi715]

You do realize that they gave peole the mini expansion for free for buying the copy to the game?

Stone Prisoner, yes. Warden's Keep, no.

[sinohptik]

xanth22 wrote...

You do realize that they gave peole the mini expansion for free for buying the copy to the game? Also do not update to 1.01 its corrupt

For Wardens Keep, it is only the digital collectors edition (as far as i know).  I would always rather have the hard copy in my hands.  Either way, 1.01 being corrupt is good to know, so thank you for that information

Modifié par sinohptik, 08 novembre 2009 - 12:20 .

[Chaoswitcher]

Slipfeed wrote...

northernNether wrote...

I don't really mind too much, but it makes me wonder if having the NPC show up AFTER purchasing the DLC, would have users taking this a whole lot better.

It feels as if we paid $50 for the game, to have to pay an additional fee to access a part of the purchase. Whereas downloading and paying for DLC and then having the NPC tell you about the quest would have made it seem like a reward, instead of a mandatory payment for the quest.

DLC available on day 1 ....

Someone went... "Hey guys, we can pull half this crap out, charge full price for what's left and sell the extra later".
Then someone else went. "Why not just start now?  $$$ woohoo! these idiots will never know!"

I rage.

Seriously.  $15.00 for the shale dlc?  Then to include it in the box, and put a price tag on it anyway?

Then to price wardens keep at $7.00

Am I the only one that see's the sales pitch here?

"Regularly 75.00, but CALL NOW!!! for only 19.95!!!!"

m8, the dc was made after they clearly said in an interview that they finished the pc version then got given extra time for the conole versions so they made a group and went back over the pc version to fix bugs and made the dc content.  So your statment is false not only that but your having a pady like a child when they arnt making you pay as you dont have to do the quest. 

[Eshaye]

pb1285n wrote...

I don't get it, if it is a micropayment it is bad, but expansions are fine? Aren't they the same thing? I don't know about you but if I find a game I really enjoy I want as much content added as possible and I don't mind paying for it.

All you seem to be focusing on is armor.

You don't take into account the 144 voice actors they paid to voice every single line of dialog in the game.
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Aren't they the same thing?

Yes they are. Either we could wait until they release a more complete package for more money or pay for smaller bits of content for a smaller amount. Really it amounts to the same thing except we get pieces sooner. 

I will agree the diversity in gear is severely lacking, which is why the first thing I'll do when I get my hands on the tool set is reskin a bunch of mage's robes. 

Modifié par Eshaye, 08 novembre 2009 - 12:26 .

[Erik Mcvay]

wardens keep wasnt worth it imo, but stone prisoner if that wasnt free i would buy it shale alone is worth it, and i dont blame bioware, if i had a 360 i would buy mass effect 2

[Viscount Thalvaus]

Hail Grey Wardens,

The notion or aspect that this game is "incomplete" is a rather far-fetched one for anyone who thinks logically on the matter. Taken into the context of the game, the years of development, the amount of times it was pushed back, and the available content it is not hard to deduce the opposite, in fact.

The point that many have made hitherto, be the on forums, professional reviews, personal reviews, etc... is that this game is very expansive and that there is a near infinite possibility for more content with it's toolset where players will keep on making more and more content. This is part of the game and what we paid for; besides that, the game itself is incredibly long, what with me personally not even reaching the half way mark and on the 55 hour mark. I'm not even sure if I picked up all of the side quests.

The rather obnoxious original post followed by condescending remarks didn't help the matter of the original poster, as all I saw shortly thereafter of his first post was "". It truly shows the intentions of his first post and the true quality of his thought process and weak arguments. Why do I say such?

Absolute no evidence exists of him doing research of his opinions, and he hides his bias words by explaining his ill thought out procedure of how he came to such conclusions all the while saying he's once again educating the "have nots".

The ego of this individual is quite appalling, and having such an ego does indeed make one quite bias, especially when they do not know what they are talking about and try to appear as "smart" in a faceless community.

The fact of the matter is, besides all of the inappropriate words and nerd rage present in the original post, that this individual simply does not understand simple facts. He appears to be the type to believe himself always right, no matter what the topic is; he has paid $250 dollars on games this month, he's played enough games to know when one is incomplete, and he has suddenly made up every one elses mind on the subject.

In my opinion this is the very type of person that would pass by a picket line, listen to one side of a story, and then pass judgment saying that what they are arguing about is write, he's heard arguments before and this one is just, and that all people who don't agree with him just don't understand. In truth? Those very people may be going for something that, in the end, makes thousands of people homeless or has some other adverse affect that he, the oblivious one, would never know of as he made his judgment and won't go back to learn of the matter at a future date.

Taking things out of context and casting one's opinion on others, thinking they won't understand is not what educated people do -- at least that's what common sense tells me, others may disagree with me. Though as I recall I always got trashed on my thesis' that did such and got it beaten into me that while I may have facts, there is always a counter argument and I would be doing a disservice to myself if I ignore it -- I may rightly so keep my argument but I must acknowledge theirs, try to state why I think it doesn't apply to my reasoning, but that it is out there that others think differently and have experiences and proof themselves considering their theories.

His original post could've been done in a more appropriate manner, but I must respect that that is how he feels; though, what he said thereafter to people totally discredited him in my opinion.

If he had been doing proper research, as I mentioned beforehand, he would have notices or at least acknowledged that the content being sold was given as part of the package to Collector's Edition users. Would he rather have it not available to the rest of us at all? It would make the CE owner's prized possession less special after they paid more money for it -- what they did is give us the opportunity to buy their exclusive content if we one day think to ourselves "hey, I should've bought that, too! ...Good thing it's being sold separately!"

I say to this individual what I have said to others: If you think we have been ripped off, then do something about it; we have been given a toolset, make for us a game that you believe is worth our money. I look forward to exploring your land and it's no doubt in depth lore, choices, voice acting, and 5+ more continents than what Bioware gave us.

"In war, victory
In peace, vigilance
In death, sacrifice"

Modifié par Viscount Thalvaus, 08 novembre 2009 - 12:35 .

[Syrellaris]

maladictor2009 wrote...

I agree with the main poster. They had all the content done before release and yet they are selling it to us now.

Thats called EA digging for consumer gold. ahhhh the happy little kids which will pay for anything......

Sorry I call bull. There is no content stripped at all. If the OP really played baldurs gate 1 and 2, he would know that the loot tables are not all that different. Good gear is a virtue and not for the needy greedies in a classic rpg.

They also didnt remove parts from the game, the developed content that could have been sold, which is only 1 small part that costs 7 dollars. The stone prisoner came with every pre order  and newly bought game.

They also warned us about this micropayment system / character way before the game was released. Again, it is not there fault for your incompetence of reading up on a game.

Also, some games are worth the money and some are not, I agree with the majority here that Bioware games are worth the extra money.  games like for example batman are not. A DLC that costs money but only gives a few online challanges and highscores to beat are not my type of extra content. For Dragon age, the wardens keep is however my type of content that I would not have mind paying extra for.

[toggled]

To the OP, I agree the game needs some work in terms of polish/bug fixes. I also agree that pay-to-play DLC right out of the box isn't appropriate.



I will enjoy the game, just wish it wasn't Bioware pulling this stunt.

[Kinvarus]

I have mixed views on this DLC. Sure it adds stuff to the game and if they charge a little money for it so be it but then to go on an on in interviews about how immersive the game is and then to add a "go buy the dlc" bit to a character conversation and thus yanking you out of that feeling is wrong in my opinion. I love Bioware have done for many years since the NWN and Planescape Torment days but after they became part of the once good now evil EA corporation I can't say I'm surprised

[sinohptik]

Viscount Thalvaus wrote...

If he had been doing proper research, as I mentioned beforehand, he would have notices or at least acknowledged that the content being sold was given as part of the package to Collector's Edition users. Would he rather have it not available to the rest of us at all? It would make the CE owner's prized possession less special after they paid more money for it -- what they did is give us the opportunity to buy their exclusive content if we one day think to ourselves "hey, I should've bought that, too! ...Good thing it's being sold separately!"

You do know that Warden's Keep was ONLY available as part of the Digital Collectors Edition, right?  We certainly live in a digital age, but when it comes to games, i want the hard copy.  The likely business reason for doing it this way was to encourage people to buy the downloadable version of the game.  Since such transactions have literally no physical production overhead.  That is actually smart business, and it doesnt bother me too much.

What does bother me is permanent storage being a paid-for feature.  Many people are echoing the OPs original thoughts, but others seem to only respond to the OP.  I believe permanent storage is a mainstay in an RPG, not DLC.  That is literally the biggest thing that bugs me about it all.  How do we communicate to the game-makers that we like or dont like certain things?  Forums just like this one.  that is why i voice my opinion on the matter, because it is something i feel should be in a patch, and not as paid content.

The lack of equipment?  eh, it honestly hasnt hit home for me yet.  I have not noticed the lack, or expanse, of selectable equipment.

Modifié par sinohptik, 08 novembre 2009 - 12:40 .