Cerberus is pro-human/anti-alien right? If that's true, then without the aid of alien races, like Mordin Solus, the Collectors would win and Cerberus would be dead. My rationale? Mordin is the only character Cerberus could find who had any chance of creating a counter-measure to the seeker swarms. But he aint human. If Cerberus went and did away with needing aliens at all, who would develop that counter-measure? Without Garrus who would successfully lead the diversion team? Without Samara, who would maintain that biotic barrier? Jack? Maybe.
My point is, that Cerberus wisely outsourced to the best people in each field. If it weren't for the whole "humanity must stand alone" thing, the game would be fine story-wise. But Cerberus is anti-alien. So how do the devs justify recruiting so many alien specialists who were recommended by TIM?
ME2 renders Cerberus useless...
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Posté 03 mars 2010 - 04:33
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Because they're not anti-alien really...just really pro human, pro-human influence/power in the galaxy.
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Posté 03 mars 2010 - 04:34
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You didn't listen to Kelly did you? It's not that Cerberus HATES aliens, its that they are PRO human. There's a difference. Kellys something to the effect of "My sister setup a shelter for cats, but she likes dogs too."
Its not about destroying all the other races. Its about elevating humans. Is it a bit racist? Sure, it can be taken that way, but they aren't completely anti-alien, or they never would've sent those Dossiers to you in the first place.
Its not about destroying all the other races. Its about elevating humans. Is it a bit racist? Sure, it can be taken that way, but they aren't completely anti-alien, or they never would've sent those Dossiers to you in the first place.
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Posté 03 mars 2010 - 04:35
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The Illusive Man supports aliens as long as humanity can benefit off of their labor or expertise.shinobi602 wrote...
They're not anti-alien really...just really pro human, pro-human influence/power in the galaxy.
EDIT: Commander Shepard would like to thank you for not using the word 'plothole' anywhere in your inquiry.
Logging you out.
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Posté 03 mars 2010 - 04:35
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TIM is not stupid. If he didn't outsource, then Sheperd would be screwed. Also TIM knew that Garrus and Tali are not as tied down as Liara, Wrex and Ashely/Kaiden.
Cerberus/TIM might be anti Alien but they are not stupid. Golo in Ascersion(msp) is a quarian and was recruited by Cerberus to get Gillian.
Cerberus/TIM might be anti Alien but they are not stupid. Golo in Ascersion(msp) is a quarian and was recruited by Cerberus to get Gillian.
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Posté 03 mars 2010 - 04:37
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I'm sure TIM sees your alien crewmates as resources.
Resources are useful, and are not to be wasted.
Resources are useful, and are not to be wasted.
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Posté 03 mars 2010 - 04:38
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They had no options, they had to rely on other sources to get what they needed. We've all heard about how the Illusive Man is ready to anything to get humanity an important place in the galaxy even if it means using his enemies for his own purpose. However I would prefer an alien team over any Cerberus team. Cerberus can't even control their own projects, just look at the Teltin facility it went rogue and nobody knew anything about it. How can we expect loyalty from a Cerberus team? Cerberus is also made up by cutthroats like Pel, Paul Grayson and others. Who wants those kind of people as a team? Besides
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Posté 03 mars 2010 - 04:39
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Yea but I have always kind of treated Cerberus like the KKK.. At least some divisions of it.. To your face they tell you "We're just Pro-(blank), not anti-(blank)".. So I'm not really sold that they aren't anti-alien.. I mean think about it.. TIM has lied and used people during the entire game.. Which is another reason I didn't hand over the Collector ship in the end..
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Posté 03 mars 2010 - 04:40
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kaff33nd wrote...
But Cerberus is anti-alien.
No they aren't.
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Posté 03 mars 2010 - 04:42
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"An alien can't understand what's at stake here for humanity." -TIM
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Posté 03 mars 2010 - 04:45
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The Angry One wrote...
"An alien can't understand what's at stake here for humanity." -TIM
Ooh, when does he say that?
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Posté 03 mars 2010 - 04:46
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Nightwriter wrote...
The Angry One wrote...
"An alien can't understand what's at stake here for humanity." -TIM
Ooh, when does he say that?
Right at the end when you're debating whether or not to save the base.
Happens if an alien like Thane is present and Miranda isn't, have to pick the middle dialog choice.. I think.
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Posté 03 mars 2010 - 04:48
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The Angry One wrote...
"An alien can't understand what's at stake here for humanity." -TIM
Is that supposed to imply something lol? It's true.
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Posté 03 mars 2010 - 05:14
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Cerberus is anti-alien and pro-human. Which is why they are perfectly delighted to recruit a bunch of aliens for a suicide mission...
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Posté 03 mars 2010 - 05:19
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Andorfiend wrote...
Cerberus is anti-alien and pro-human. Which is why they are perfectly delighted to recruit a bunch of aliens for a suicide mission...
Only if you got everyone out alive and destroyed the base, not only did you take the definition of "suicide mission" and kick it right in the nuts, but you flicked off the Illusive man in the process. I enjoyed it when he was fuming.
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Posté 03 mars 2010 - 05:28
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I don't really see Cerberus as being anti-alien in the sense of wanting to either get rid of aliens or not work with them. They just want humanity to be on top. In this sense, aliens working under their command is just fine.
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Posté 03 mars 2010 - 05:33
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shinobi602 wrote...
The Angry One wrote...
"An alien can't understand what's at stake here for humanity." -TIM
Is that supposed to imply something lol? It's true.
Yeah, you're right, but I think it more illustrates his inherent disdain for aliens. It peeked out in that sentence, even if he was generally correct.
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Posté 03 mars 2010 - 06:05
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The Spartans hated the Athenians until a large force foreign to both of them threatened to destroy them all. Then they worked together
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Posté 03 mars 2010 - 06:20
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TIM is a realist. He will do whatever is necessary to achieve his goals. He wants to put humanity on top even if it means using aliens to do it..
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Posté 03 mars 2010 - 06:55
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Cerberus is anti-alien and pro-human, more pro-human and some individuals in Cerberus are not anti-alien.
That said if you treat Cerberus like the KKK, remember the KKK would be just fine with bringing back slavery.
Thus using the focus of your racist agenda as a tool or beast of burden rather then as a person perfectly fits into Cerberus' as a human-centric organization depending on your mindset.
That said if you treat Cerberus like the KKK, remember the KKK would be just fine with bringing back slavery.
Thus using the focus of your racist agenda as a tool or beast of burden rather then as a person perfectly fits into Cerberus' as a human-centric organization depending on your mindset.
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Posté 03 mars 2010 - 07:06
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I think this is why so many people play paragon, it's just the reasonable reaction to the reality the game presents you with in many cases, OP sites just one example. Talking about human dominance after a mission whose success was contributed to by a Salarian, Turian, Krogan, Quarian, Drell, Asari, and Geth doesn't make you a realist, it makes you pathetically naive.
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Posté 03 mars 2010 - 07:51
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Wow - look at this thread GO! haha...
OK so I can understand that TIM/Cerberus is willing to use alien species to further the human agenda. Makes sense really. I guess you don't throw away a tool that will work, just because it's not your favourite tool. Still, I'm surprised that TIM didn't have some specialists of the same calibre as our aliens working for Cerberus in the first place. Doesn't humanity have any geniuses?
OK so I can understand that TIM/Cerberus is willing to use alien species to further the human agenda. Makes sense really. I guess you don't throw away a tool that will work, just because it's not your favourite tool. Still, I'm surprised that TIM didn't have some specialists of the same calibre as our aliens working for Cerberus in the first place. Doesn't humanity have any geniuses?
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Posté 03 mars 2010 - 08:01
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Putting aside the ludicrous implications of this thread (i.e. that the devs are obligated to justify the speculative mission statement of what is clearly a renegade faction in their game)
The only truly necessary non-human is Mordin, am I wrong?
Jack and Miranda are both suitable leaders, Jack works as a biotic specialist. No humans are sufficient tech specialists, but they will get the job done, they will simply die in the process. And isn't the new DLC character supposed to be human techi? So in theory, it's entirely possible to complete your mission without picking up any non-humans aside from Mordin. But do you expect the devs to really make your team only humans? People would throw such fits. If you need an in-game explanation, like others have said, good old Tim just needed to pad things out to ensure humanity's survival by ensuring the success of this mission.
The only truly necessary non-human is Mordin, am I wrong?
Jack and Miranda are both suitable leaders, Jack works as a biotic specialist. No humans are sufficient tech specialists, but they will get the job done, they will simply die in the process. And isn't the new DLC character supposed to be human techi? So in theory, it's entirely possible to complete your mission without picking up any non-humans aside from Mordin. But do you expect the devs to really make your team only humans? People would throw such fits. If you need an in-game explanation, like others have said, good old Tim just needed to pad things out to ensure humanity's survival by ensuring the success of this mission.
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Posté 03 mars 2010 - 08:11
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Cerberus just wants Humanity to have a secure place as the superpower of the Galaxy. No one else is going to have Humanity's best intentions at heart, so its safest if Humans fulfill that role.
Think about, say, the Salarians. If it came down to it and you had to let either the Salarians or the Humans die, which would you pick? I would pick Salarians or whatever other race there is every time. The Salarian would pick Humanity. Its natural, its not evil.
Cerberus has a valid role, it just has horrible methods. Humanity SHOULD have an organization that ensures aliens do not ever try to undermine it, or destroy it. Cerberus just picked the worst way to go about this imo.
Think about, say, the Salarians. If it came down to it and you had to let either the Salarians or the Humans die, which would you pick? I would pick Salarians or whatever other race there is every time. The Salarian would pick Humanity. Its natural, its not evil.
Cerberus has a valid role, it just has horrible methods. Humanity SHOULD have an organization that ensures aliens do not ever try to undermine it, or destroy it. Cerberus just picked the worst way to go about this imo.
