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[GHyland]

hey guys i though this would be the best place to ask about which complete gaming system is the best for my budget of around £1000.

There's that many different configs and cards etc that i just don't know which one to choose.

I'd like one that could play Mass Effect 2 and Dragon Age, and bioshock and the like as well!!

Can anyone help me just a teeny bit caus ei know they're some really good guys in here!!!!

Cheers in advance!!!

[GnusmasTHX]

You could get an awesome PC with that much if you buy parts and assemble it yourself.

[Loerwyn]

You could get an awesome PC if you built it yourself, and have a few £100 left over.

Seriously.

[GHyland]

Is there any particularly awesome processor and graphocs card i should get, caus ei'm guessing i could just use my old tower to begin then

[Loerwyn]

You might be better finding a specialist forum (I recommend Micro Mart forums btw), but you're probably looking at an Intel i5 or i7 and an ATi HD5750 or similar.

[GHyland]

Thanks very much! I'll get straight on it

[cancausecancer]

Since it's for gaming focus on your graphics card first. Look at TomsHardware.com and other sites with Benchmarks to get an idea of what power you get for your money. Try to get something like a Radeon 5870 or even 5850. If you get a motherboard that supports Crossfire then you can drop another card in later to boost speed rather than switching out cards. One thing to be aware of about crossfire/sli or dual gpu cards is that some games (or some graphics settings) have visual glitching while in dual gpu mode so you have to disable the dual in the display control panel and only run on one card. With Mass Effect 2 I get shadow glitching when in Crossfire but that's fixable by changing the shadow settings to less awesome settings. Bioshock 2 glitches nasty with Crossfire/SLI.

www.tomshardware.com/charts/graphics-cards,1.html

  Use your existing case as you mentioned, you'll probably want to get a new power supply for it depending on what you already have and what you're putting in it. The 5970 won't fit in most cases. I have a good system but use a 25 quid case. To fit my card in I busted some rivets off my hdd enclosure and my vid card now sits where my hdds used to sit. Most cards won't have a prob but if you're going for a giant dual GPU monster you'll want to take that into consideration.

  Get fast hdds (check benchmarks at tomshardware) and get lots of ram. If your motherboard is DDR2 then lots of ram is cheap, if it's DDR3 then you'll pay a bit more, just get value ram. Ensure to install the x64 bit version of your OS so you can support > 4GB. If you're not going to get a lot of ram then put your virtual memory on a separate physical drive than your game/os.

Onboard audio is hit or miss. I have an Asus Gene 2 motherboard and the onboard audio is low-average. I replaced it with an Asus Xonar D2X and I hear twice as many sounds in games (water dripping in caves, burning torches..), I grabbed a good set of headphones and together they give me eargasms.

If you're also buying a monitor get something with a low response time and choose a resolution that matches what your hardware can run smoothly. You'll see benchmarks showing different fps for different resolutions. For gaming you want 2ms  (is there anything quicker yet?).

Here is my setup:

i7-920 with 12GB ram
2 x 150GB velociraptors + 500GB Samsung .12 + 250GB 2.5" drive
Sapphire Radeon 5970 OC
23" Acer T230H 1920x1080 touch screen
22" Samsung 2232BW  1680x1050 2ms
Razer Mamba mouse (5600 dpi)

When I only had 2 x Radeon 4670 I used the 1680x1050 lcd for gaming and the cards weren't fast enough to drive news games with max settings at that resolution. Now that I have a 5970 I grabbed a higher res monitor to get more detail. My new monitor only has 15% more pixels than my other one but that's 15% more bad guys to shoot on the screen at once.

For the drives, one of my veloraptors is for Windows, one is for my games drive, they're fast drives. As soon as I can get one of the new Corsair Force Series ssds then I'll raid the raptors and use them for my games drive. Loading games or textures is ninja fast.

If you have more than 2 lcds connected then you'll want a decent mouse. I grabbed the new high dpi Razer Mamba to replace my MS Laser 6000 so I could span my screen with only moving my mouse a few cm on the desk. I prefer my old mouse but low dpi is bad with multiple screens.

[Loerwyn]

And that, children, is how to go over the top and waste money and show you have a fundamental lack of knowledge.

For the price of 2 4670s you could have gotten a 4870 and had better performance in most/all situations. 2 cards has never equaled twice the performance!

And the best performance/price drives are Samsung F3s. Anything more expensive really isn't going to be much of an improvement.

[cancausecancer]

OnlyShallow89 wrote...

And that, children, is how to go over the top and waste money and show you have a fundamental lack of knowledge.
For the price of 2 4670s you could have gotten a 4870 and had better performance in most/all situations.
And the best performance/price drives are Samsung F3s. Anything more expensive really isn't going to be much of an improvement.

Now now, no need for name calling, if I lack knowledge then no prob, it just means I have more to learn. But you don't know what you're talking about. Why you bring up the F3 series is beyond me. What are you trying to compare them to? The inexpensive .12's which real world bench faster or the velociraptors? There are too many drives out there to play comparison with, I just wrote what I have. My next purchase will be a small sized expensive ssd. Hdd space is cheap so whenever you need extra GBs you can drop in any disk but when you need speed you buy something fast or you raid. I'd like a WD Caviar Black but my next drive is going to be ssd.

I bought my first 4670 because it was the card they had in stock when I picked up my new parts. I feel kinda silly acknowledging you like this but I'm in Bulgaria and it's not as easy as the west to get products. An example is a Macbook Pro costs $2000 in the US but costs $3600 here. I tried to order an OCZ Vertex EX but couldn't get one. I tried ordering in from the UK but 4 shops said they won't send here. I added in the 2nd 4670 later to buy me more time while waiting for the 5000 series to come out. When they didn't impress I started waiting for Fermi.. and waited... and waited and finally just opted on the 5970. I'm still watching the Fermi.

OnlyShallow89 wrote...
2 cards has never equaled twice the performance!
Anything more expensive really isn't going to be much of an improvement..

I'm happy for you. You know sli/crossfire doesn't double the speed of your gaming. Anything more Captain Obvious? Expensive really isn't going to be much of an improvement... you have no idea what you're talking about. Next time do yourself a favor and don't play "I say you're dumb because it makes me look like I know what I'm talking about". You're really foolish.

[GHyland]

Thanks for all the help guys, no need to argue though!!



Got this i think so far:



Case: CM Storm Scout + Coolermaster Silent Pro 700W Modular PSU (I think it's asolid choice, but should I get another fan for cooling?)

Motherboard:Gigabyte-P55-USB3 or a Asus P7P55 D (Not sure if any is particularly better, bending towards the Asus but if you guys think the other one is better please say!)

Processor: Intel i5 750

Graphics Card: XFX ATI Radeon HD 5850 XXX 1024MB GDDR5 PCI-Express

RAM: I'm pondering 6GB of Corsair XMS3 but i can only find it for i7 motherboards, however the mobo says i5 and i7 so... Help! lol

H. Drive: Think i'll stick to your guys samsung. Pretty solid! Is it worth getting another smaller drive for the OS though. I know 1 TB is huge but just to kinda seperate the main files.

[Giantevilhead]

You might want to wait a while before building a new computer. RAM prices have gone up over 50% in the last 6 months. Radeon 5850's and 5870's are 20% to 30% more expensive than when they first came out.

[Jonp382]

For the i5 750 only 4 GB is fine, I don't think you can do 6 GB on it but if you need more memory than 4 GB(don't see how you would unless you're into texture mods, art and content creation, etc) you might as well step up to 8 GB.



Otherwise I assume everyone else has got good recommendations for the non processor/graphics card parts.That should last you at least until the next console generation.

[Giantevilhead]

GHyland wrote...

Thanks for all the help guys, no need to argue though!!

Got this i think so far:

Case: CM Storm Scout + Coolermaster Silent Pro 700W Modular PSU (I think it's asolid choice, but should I get another fan for cooling?)
Motherboard:Gigabyte-P55-USB3 or a Asus P7P55 D (Not sure if any is particularly better, bending towards the Asus but if you guys think the other one is better please say!)
Processor: Intel i5 750
Graphics Card: XFX ATI Radeon HD 5850 XXX 1024MB GDDR5 PCI-Express
RAM: I'm pondering 6GB of Corsair XMS3 but i can only find it for i7 motherboards, however the mobo says i5 and i7 so... Help! lol
H. Drive: Think i'll stick to your guys samsung. Pretty solid! Is it worth getting another smaller drive for the OS though. I know 1 TB is huge but just to kinda seperate the main files.

Triple channel memory like the Corsair XMS3 work only with the socket 1366 motherboards/chips. They do not work with the i7-860's and i7-870's, which use socket 1156 boards.

Also, you don't really need an i5 or an i7. Unless you can get a special deal, the AMD Phenom II X4 945 and 955 are significantly cheaper (20% to 30%) than the i5 750 but the performance gap is smaller (less than 10% most of the time).

Although I should also say that you don't need a top of the line processor for gaming. Even the AMD Athlon II X4's are more than enough for gaming.

Modifié par Giantevilhead, 07 mars 2010 - 10:04 .

[Jonp382]

Keep in mind the total system price. 20 dollars for 20% extra performance when the total system costs 1000 is an attractive and sensible move.

[Giantevilhead]

Jonp382 wrote...

Keep in mind the total system price. 20 dollars for 20% extra performance when the total system costs 1000 is an attractive and sensible move.

It's more like $40 to $50 for a 10% increase in performance, which is barely even noticible with games. Also, AMD3 motherboards are cheaper than Intel i5 and i7 motherboards. Unless you can get a special deal on Intel chips/mobos, AMD generally offers better bang for the buck. The reason why I have an i7 920 is because I got the chip and a Gigabyte UD4P X58 mobo for about $390 after rebates, plus I got the Corsair XMS3 6GB RAM for $90 after rebate.