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[Sigma Tauri]

GhostDieM wrote...

Well since there seem to be a lot of theories about the underlying origins of ME I'd like to know how you guys think part 3 will unfold? (taking into consideration the monomyth, juda-christian themes etc.)
Speculate away

You return to Council space. You now how the freedom to choose your path (either through the Council, Cerberus, or your own volition).

The whole galaxy at this point has destabilized. Losing a proxy agency like the Collectors forced the Reapers to act with Plan C (Plan A being Sovereign, Plan B being Collectors). Several agents already are in Council space deliberately causing problems that eventually will weaken them in future. Many of these agents are as powerful as Saren (some are possibly Spectres), and it's up to Shepard to neutralize them. This will either cause problems for future allies (Renegade) effectively weakening them, or they're resolved so that they can now fight for you (Paragon).

The ending eventually culminates to galaxy-wide events.

The Renegade events will involve how the several alien races are so weakened by the fight they can never ever recover. Races like the quarians, geth, and krogan are so reduced in numbers that they may as well be virtually extinct. The salarians, asari, and turians as well as the non-council races are more fortunate, but their homeworlds, economies, and infrastructure are severely devastated. Humanity rises above all else.

The Paragon events will involve how the several alien races are also weakened but fared better than renegade. The quarians eventually allow the geth to right to exist independently. The krogans rebuild for the sake of survival, though, it's unknown if the genophage is cured. The rachni build their own future. The salarians, asari, and turians do not recover from the war, but with humanity becomes crucial in building a future and thus become more interdependent. However, humanity makes too many compromises that its own survival is impossible.

What happens to Shepard? I dunno what's in store for him. But, he becomes the greatest hero in the galaxy.

Modifié par monkeycamoran, 15 mars 2010 - 09:21 .

[greggorypeccary]

cerberus was the hell hound but not bible related at all it ,is greek mythology.could tim be saren? reconstituted the way you were? same eyes. Never heard of him before saren died. what better place to put him but in charge of a humans first org? almost makes him beyond reproach. As his name implies he is an illusion.

Modifié par greggorypeccary, 15 mars 2010 - 09:31 .

[GhostDieM]

greggorypeccary wrote...

cerberus was the hell hound but not bible related at all it ,is greek mythology.could tim be saren? reconstituted the way you were? same eyes. Never heard of him before saren died. what better place to put him but in charge of a humans first org? almost makes him beyond reproach. As his name implies he is an illusion.

Thing is, Saren wanted to struck a deal with the Reapers because he thought the galaxy didn't stand a chance against them. If he is TIM then why go through all this trouble to fight the Reapers now (and not at the start) and even resurrect the guy that killed you? Now THAT is stretching it too far

[greggorypeccary]

saren -was- trying to strike a deal before he became indoctrinated.He resurected you to use you.If you play renegade you see your eyes are very similar to Tims.Is he really fighting the reapers? or does he just want you to think that? Tim also wants to use the collector tec and has been using the tech found in the derelict reaper .Possibly to resurect you. remember he is a master manipulator and nothing is as it seems.Are you what you think you are?Why does harbinger want you? Why does he talk to you ." I will tear you apart IF I HAVE TO"  not that he wants t but if he has to.

Modifié par greggorypeccary, 15 mars 2010 - 09:56 .

[Sigma Tauri]

greggorypeccary wrote...

saren -was- trying to strike a deal before he became indoctrinated.He resurected you to use you.If you play renegade you see your eyes are very similar to Tims.Is he really fighting the reapers? or does he just want you to think that? Tim also wants to use the collector tec and has been using the tech found in the derelict reaper . remember he is a master manipulator and nothing is as it seems

TIM is responsible for using whatever means to put humanity above the rest. Using the Collector tech isn't any different from his research on rachni, thorians, thresher maws, or biotic children. The man himself is factually an amoral scumbag who doesn't believe in personal responsibility. The fact that he's someone connected to the Reapers, the proof is too thin because you're looking at the similarity of their eyes. The man could simply be enhanced.

Modifié par monkeycamoran, 15 mars 2010 - 09:54 .

[greggorypeccary]

the best way to get the upper hand is to infiltrate and make your enemies think you are on their side. saren is not saren he is soverign a reaper and harbinger is a reaprer.." I will tear you apart IF I HAVE TO"  not that he wants t but if he has to.

Modifié par greggorypeccary, 15 mars 2010 - 10:00 .

[GhostDieM]

This:

monkeycamoran wrote...

TIM is responsible for using whatever means to put humanity above the rest. Using the Collector tech isn't any different from his research on rachni, thorians, thresher maws, or biotic children. The man himself is factually an amoral scumbag who doesn't believe in personal responsibility. The fact that he's someone connected to the Reapers, the proof is too thin because you're looking at the similarity of their eyes. The man could simply be enhanced.

Although I agree on the 'are you who you think you are?' bit because TIM probably still has a few surprising tricks up his sleeve.

[greggorypeccary]

remember illusive man= illusion

[Sigma Tauri]

greggorypeccary wrote...

the best way to get the upper hand is to infiltrate and make your enemies think you are on their side. saren is not saren he is soverign a reaper and harbinger is a reaprer.." I will tear you apart IF I HAVE TO"  not that he wants t but if he has to.

"The enemy of my enemy is my friend." Your alliance to TIM is merely out of convenience, and your experience with Cerberus shows that they can't be trusted. This is reinforced by Anderson, who you trust. If there was someone to betray you secretly, it isn't an untrustworthy benefactor. More of a friend, like Sidonis to Garrus.

[greggorypeccary]

illusive man wants whats best for humanity , supposedly. But dosent harbinger say basicly the same thing. something about being the harbinger of their (human) perfection.

[greggorypeccary]

also all through the game you do whatever Tim asks even after he lies and sets you up. Almost like you have no free will. Untill the end when you can finally make one decision yourself.

[Sigma Tauri]

greggorypeccary wrote...

illusive man wants whats best for humanity , supposedly. But dosent harbinger say basicly the same thing. something about being the harbinger of their (human) perfection.

I like how you use "supposedly." It reminds me that a noble goal as "what's best for humanity" is suspect.

Still, Harbinger and TIM have different goals in mind. The former wants assimilation into an alien construct. Essentially, humanity might as well be extinct. TIM wants dominance as they are. Having humanity's future determined by another group of aliens is threatening.

[greggorypeccary]

The illusive man reminds me of Hitler. He wasn't trying to help anyone but convinced theGerman people that he was on their side , in the end what he wanted for them was utter destruction.And he almost got it. Don't beleive anything tim says , nothing. Also is everyone on your team really on your side? can you beleive that everyone is telling the truth . In most games you beleive all information you get. I think Mass Effect may be different.

Modifié par greggorypeccary, 15 mars 2010 - 10:35 .

[greggorypeccary]

Could also be that the illusive man is working for the reapers or is controlled by the reapers ala saren and is really just trying to convince humanity (through shepard) that when the reapers come cerberus and shepard will protect them. But when they do show up actually no one is there to protect them.Fighting the collectors is just to reinforce this because the reapers don't really care what happens to some collectors anyway. His only problem is that shepard turned out to be uncontrolable

Modifié par greggorypeccary, 15 mars 2010 - 10:48 .

[kaff33nd]

Once upon a time....

Millions of years ago, before there were men on Earth, a scientist discovered that the (insert name here) galaxy was in a collision course with the Milky Way. Others, when shown the evidence by this scientist, joined him and formed a consortium, dedicated to finding a way to save all advanced forms of life as they knew it. The scientist concluded that the best thing to do would be to evacuate the Milky Way and relocate to another galaxy, far away. Unfortunately, as no species had yet developed FTL travel, it would take many thousands of years to get to another galaxy.



So the scientist and the others on the consortium developed the Ark Project, a means by which species' DNA could be stored and sent to the new galaxy, whereupon it could be used to make replicas of the stored species. These 'Arks' would later become known as the Reapers.

The scientist wants to see this project work, and so (secretly) develops another plan, to somehow stay alive for the thousands/millions of years it will take to see the Ark Project realized. He builds a facility designed exclusively to rebuild DNA into an effective clone, and to store memories in binary form, ready to incorporate into that clone. The scientist then allows himself to be the test subject, and is converted to this 'mobile laboratory' which then travels out to the fringes of dark space awaiting the time when it should create the clone.



After thousands of years it does so, and TIM is 'born'. This happens many times in TIM's life, until he sees the advance of Humanity, and he decides this species has the best chance of surviving the Ark Project, and adopts their way of life, language etc.. Even their looks. Through many lifetimes he builds a considerable personal wealth, and starts a shadow corporation known today as Cerberus. Masked as a pro-human splinter group of the Alliance, Cerberus' main goal is the continuation of the Ark Project.



I'll finish this later... after I've had coffee. My head's starting to ache.

[Mallissin]

Bleh.

[kaff33nd]

Mallissin wrote...

Bleh.

Well, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and this is yours! 

[Mallissin]

Sorry, I had to Bleh when I noticed the thread wandered into the realm of Godwin's law.

As far as your theory, it takes billions of years for galaxies to collide. Doesn't make sense why a scientist would do all of that. I like my Reaper origin theory more.

http://social.biowar...5/index/1513253

But I'm bias, of course.

[kaff33nd]

Yes, I've read your theory and I do subscribe to some of it. I am purely speculating in mine, obviously, but I still think it could be a possibility. It's actually an Alastair Reynolds story (or collection of ideas) where the Andromeda galaxy is on a collision course with our Milky Way. I crossed that set of ideas with the biblical analogy of Noah's ark (Christian and other).



I sincerely believe that the Reapers are not the evil force we've been led to believe it is. I think they are either a force of good (salvation) or purely mindless machine/organisms construct built for a purpose.



See my thread here for more details.

[1126thmp]

I always felt Shepard was like the Leviathan from Thomas Hobbes. Always there to keep things from descending into anarchy, or chaos. Staving off the dark tomorrow.

[kaff33nd]

1126thmp wrote...

I always felt Shepard was like the Leviathan from Thomas Hobbes. Always there to keep things from descending into anarchy, or chaos. Staving off the dark tomorrow.

Actually, taken from the viewpoint of Hobbes' Leviathan, I would say (indeed I have already said) that Cerberus is most likely to be Leviathan, and TIM is Hobbes' 'sovereign'.  I actually said TIM was the Leviathan of Dis, but Hobbes' version is almost too perfect an analogy to pass up.

Thanks for the mention.  Hobbes' work is possibly influential in BioWare's development of certain ideas.

[greggorypeccary]

How does the Shadow broker fit in?. I beleive there is a major role for him in ME3

[kaff33nd]

greggorypeccary wrote...

How does the Shadow broker fit in?. I beleive there is a major role for him in ME3

What "Shadow Broker"?  He's a myth perpetuated by TIM as a means of diverting attention away from him and onto the supposed Shadow Broker.  A convenient scapegoat.

[Habelo]

Wait what? How ****ing big coincidnce is there that pluto has 3 moons as hades have 3 hells

[Mallissin]

kaff33nd wrote...
I sincerely believe that the Reapers are not the evil force we've been led to believe it is. I think they are either a force of good (salvation) or purely mindless machine/organisms construct built for a purpose.

He's been indoctrinated! GET HIM!