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[Collider]

Miranda is probably the most dedicated for the mission. She is the one who revived Shepard to battle the Collectors in the first place. She's also very calm and collected, I don't see her not being loyal to you as affecting her performance as much as others. She's also a great tactician, so she has the smarts to know how to lead a team anyway. There you go. Judging by the fact that she might be harder to die during the suicide mission, she might have a larger role in ME3 than other squad mates, but it might just be that she's good at strategy.

[Snowraptor]

Maviarab wrote...

When Tali is sad it is more epic. This is pathetic. Haha. And you cant even see Talis FACE.

[Gar_Logan]

Snowraptor wrote...
This is pathetic.

I don't think you can say that.

[shinobi602]

I think you're clearly the one whose shown who is pathetic here. You're a hypocrite Snowraptor and you know it. And on top of what I said, you're also acting like it's wrong for Bioware some of their employees have a favorite. OH NOEZ! Writers and game designers have a character that they favor when creating their game, impossible!

Yeaaaa....if they were obsessed and favored Tali or Garrus or Legion, you would be hunky dorey. Nice double standards you have there.

Modifié par shinobi602, 04 mars 2010 - 02:05 .

[Snowraptor]

Collider wrote...

Miranda is probably the most dedicated for the mission. She is the one who revived Shepard to battle the Collectors in the first place. She's also very calm and collected, I don't see her not being loyal to you as affecting her performance as much as others. She's also a great tactician, so she has the smarts to know how to lead a team anyway. There you go. Judging by the fact that she might be harder to die during the suicide mission, she might have a larger role in ME3 than other squad mates, but it might just be that she's good at strategy.

um no it was the Illusive man that ordered it. She was just a pawn. You really think she could have survived in the ventalation shaft? Thats why they didnt have as an option to go in. Because the devs new if they did, they would have too make her live. Really. Someone that is invinceable really turns me off. Especially her being able to accomplish the distraction team with no loyalty and having no armor. Plus when ever you use some one that fails at the biotic specialist part of the mission. No matter who you choose. Miranda always survives the seeker swarms. It has nothing to do with loyalty or randomness. The Fact is that they scripted a character that pretty much does not need her loyalty towards you too accomplish anything besides the last boss. That is why I was dissapointed with Bioware. They really did not want anyone to kill her for no reason at all. Its obvios she will play a huge roll in me 3 but that doesnt mean you can make her survive every single suicide mission assignment with no loyalty just because. It realy takes the Role Playing element out of the game. I dont want every playthrough i have to have Miranda live through it all while everyone else cand die. Fortunatley she can die. Unfortunatley its only at the ending where she can die and possibly when holding the line. Other than that. Shes too perfect too die. But Samara's 600 years of experience means nothing.

[Collider]

shinobi602 wrote...

I think you're clearly the one whose shown who is pathetic here. You're a hypocrite Snowraptor and you know it. And on top of what I said, you're also acting like it's wrong for Bioware some of their employees have a favorite. OH NOEZ! Writers and game designers have a character that they favor when creating their game, impossible!

Yeaaaa....if they were obsessed and favored Tali or Garrus or Legion, you would be hunky dorey. Nice double standards you have there.

Shinobi, snowraptor is an obvious troll. Even made a thread saying it was fun to be a troll. Just something I'd like to let peeps know so they can put it into perspective. Miranda is the most important squad mate in ME2 and the lead. Makes sense that she would have some position she do well in the suicide mission, unlike some other squad mates (Grunt, Thane, Zaeed).

[Snowraptor]

shinobi602 wrote...

I think you're clearly the one whose shown who is pathetic here. You're a hypocrite Snowraptor and you know it. And on top of what I said, you're also acting like it's wrong for Bioware some of their employees have a favorite. OH NOEZ! Writers and game designers have a character that they favor when creating their game, impossible!

Yeaaaa....if they were obsessed and favored Tali or Garrus or Legion, you would be hunky dorey. Nice double standards you have there.

Um yeah, of cource i would be hunky dorey for Tali and Garrus. I do however do not care about Legion. I never liked robots that can think for themselves. But I see his value in Mass Effect 3. I however do not care if the devs favorite Miranda over everyone else, even favoriting her over shepard. I do hate the fact that they made her invinceable and her Loyalty Mission useless if you dont use her when fighting the Final Boss.
Calling me a hipocrite doesnt make you supirior over me. And i hope that is not what you are doing. But since you can choose not to have Miranda die making the right descisions why would my opinion affect you? If Miranda was able to die on the distraction team, why would you care, when you could have Tali Die on it? Or not put Miranda there. I here have found a character and the ONLY character that does not need her loyalty when doing special tasks on the suicide mission. I can see why the chose too not have her do the ventilation shaft.

[Gar_Logan]

This thread should be locked if this continues. The OP got his answer. No reason in making this go further as it's a futile argument on both sides.

[shinobi602]

Snowraptor wrote...

Um yeah, of cource i would be hunky dorey for Tali and Garrus. I do however do not care about Legion. I never liked robots that can think for themselves. But I see his value in Mass Effect 3. I however do not care if the devs favorite Miranda over everyone else, even favoriting her over shepard. I do hate the fact that they made her invinceable and her Loyalty Mission useless if you dont use her when fighting the Final Boss.
Calling me a hipocrite doesnt make you supirior over me. And i hope that is not what you are doing. But since you can choose not to have Miranda die making the right descisions why would my opinion affect you? If Miranda was able to die on the distraction team, why would you care, when you could have Tali Die on it? Or not put Miranda there. I here have found a character and the ONLY character that does not need her loyalty when doing special tasks on the suicide mission. I can see why the chose too not have her do the ventilation shaft.

The point isn't that you care if she's their favorite, the point is right now, if you replaced Miranda's position with Tali or Garrus, this thread wouldn't even exist. You wouldn't be pissed or angry, you'd be joyous! And the only reason you're so mad is because you personally don't like Miranda. I don't care if you don't like her, I really don't, because I like all the squadmates, and I like Miranda, Tali, Garrus, etc etc. It doesn't bother me.

The only reason I'm replying is because I don't like double standards, and that's all this is.

[Snowraptor]

Collider wrote...

shinobi602 wrote...

I think you're clearly the one whose shown who is pathetic here. You're a hypocrite Snowraptor and you know it. And on top of what I said, you're also acting like it's wrong for Bioware some of their employees have a favorite. OH NOEZ! Writers and game designers have a character that they favor when creating their game, impossible!

Yeaaaa....if they were obsessed and favored Tali or Garrus or Legion, you would be hunky dorey. Nice double standards you have there.

Shinobi, snowraptor is an obvious troll. Even made a thread saying it was fun to be a troll. Just something I'd like to let peeps know so they can put it into perspective. Miranda is the most important squad mate in ME2 and the lead. Makes sense that she would have some position she do well in the suicide mission, unlike some other squad mates (Grunt, Thane, Zaeed).

I will have to correct you. I said sometimes it is fun being a troll. That does not at all Imply me stating my past of being a Troll. You however along with Shinobi like to press your opinions against people so they can see only your opinion. If you cant handle a simple thread that disagrees with the actions that bioware made on Miranda then feel free to leave an opinion. I am only stating facts on how she is the only Character that does not need her Loyalty to survive throughout the mission besides after the boss battle.

[keegdarv1]

I do believe Bioware said everone could die for a reason that being everyone could die and it has nothing to do with favorites as you so much for no reason expect your crazy childish mindset states everytime you try to talk its cause she was given the role of Shepards XO and shes their to help "guild" the player through the final mission with little hints or little statement to make the think they made good or bad choice



And people are right that the double standards in your statements stand out but try calming down growning up just a tad and try not to speak for the devs when you dont know thier mind set or dont care to even see the reason and remember the world game and real does not go around Tali

[IoCaster]

Collider wrote...



Shinobi, snowraptor is an obvious troll. Even made a thread saying it was fun to be a troll. Just something I'd like to let peeps know so they can put it into perspective. Miranda is the most important squad mate in ME2 and the lead. Makes sense that she would have some position she do well in the suicide mission, unlike some other squad mates (Grunt, Thane, Zaeed).

I really don't understand some of you people. Miranda is a fictional creation. A digital doll that doesn't exist. The devs decide what characters live and die in certain situations, not the fictional character that doesn't really exist. Obviously BioWare decided that they would make every attempt to have Miranda survive the suicide mission unless the player went out of their way to get her killed. It's well documented by now that a non-loyal Miranda will survive in a role that would kill every other non-loyal squad members. It's not because she's awesome, but only because the devs made the game that way. They really want her in ME3 and wanted to ensure that a player couldn't accidentally kill her off. That's very obvious at this point and I don't understand why some people try to deny it.

If you like Miranda and want her in your ME3 game, then rejoice because it's easy enough to make happen. For those of us that don't like her and want to make sure she's not around for ME3 it just takes a little extra planning and work. Why do some of you have a problem with that?

[The Angry One]

[Snowraptor]

shinobi602 wrote...

Snowraptor wrote...

Um yeah, of cource i would be hunky dorey for Tali and Garrus. I do however do not care about Legion. I never liked robots that can think for themselves. But I see his value in Mass Effect 3. I however do not care if the devs favorite Miranda over everyone else, even favoriting her over shepard. I do hate the fact that they made her invinceable and her Loyalty Mission useless if you dont use her when fighting the Final Boss.
Calling me a hipocrite doesnt make you supirior over me. And i hope that is not what you are doing. But since you can choose not to have Miranda die making the right descisions why would my opinion affect you? If Miranda was able to die on the distraction team, why would you care, when you could have Tali Die on it? Or not put Miranda there. I here have found a character and the ONLY character that does not need her loyalty when doing special tasks on the suicide mission. I can see why the chose too not have her do the ventilation shaft.

The point isn't that you care if she's their favorite, the point is right now, if you replaced Miranda's position with Tali or Garrus, this thread wouldn't even exist. You wouldn't be pissed or angry, you'd be joyous! And the only reason you're so mad is because you personally don't like Miranda. I don't care if you don't like her, I really don't, because I like all the squadmates, and I like Miranda, Tali, Garrus, etc etc. It doesn't bother me.

The only reason I'm replying is because I don't like double standards, and that's all this is.

Like I said. I would be over joyed. And you are right this topic then would not exist if she could die on certain assignments. I love all the character. I have a file where i saved everyone. Including Miranda. I know her uses and made her fire team leader on my first playthrough. This is my only file where I just want three survivors and would like to see it end the way i wanted it too. I found out that Miranda does not need Loyalty too survive all of the special tasks. Maybe Bioware didnt want some one else reading her lines before you went to fight the final boss. If i found out Garrus or Tali could be invinceable even without loyalty I would not realy care since im not trying to kill them. I would find it stupid, but that is why i find Miranda's unloyalty towards me, and yet having her survive everything that was thrown at her ridiculous. I would find it stupid if Garus and Tali could be inveanceble also. No one should have that power on a suicide mission. Not even Shepard.

[Snowraptor]

I was realy not expecting people to over react on this topic. Especially since im just pointing out obvious stuff here. Not gain a characters loyalty and yet no matter what, that character survives all odds. Even dumb ones such as scrpiting her not too become killed by the swarms. That must be the worst out of them all. The others just show her being to awesome to die. She dont need loyalty mission completed if you dont need her in suicide mission. Why must you try and force you opinions on something that matters nothing to you down my throat? Then Troll on here and call me a Troll and say that i would not have this topic up if she could die. No ****. No one should beable to survive everything just because the devs want you to have her in me 3. Thats is just forcing elements on you that you cant avoid, it kicks the role playing out of the door. Now i love this game and have all my files with miranda alive. This is the only one where she dies. And you act like i just killed you beloved hamster.

Modifié par Snowraptor, 04 mars 2010 - 02:39 .

[Collider]

IoCaster wrote...
I really don't understand some of you people. Miranda is a fictional creation. A digital doll that doesn't exist. The devs decide what characters live and die in certain situations, not the fictional character that doesn't really exist. Obviously BioWare decided that they would make every attempt to have Miranda survive the suicide mission unless the player went out of their way to get her killed. It's well documented by now that a non-loyal Miranda will survive in a role that would kill every other non-loyal squad members.

That's untrue if I remember correctly. If you send Miranda as unloyal escort, she will die. If you send Miranda as a biotic loyal or disloyal, someone will end up dying because of her (Samara and Jack are more biotic). If you destroy the base and Miranda is disloyal, she dies after the suicide mission. There may also be some other ways she can die that I'm not thinking of.

It's not because she's awesome, but only because the devs made the game that way. They really want her in ME3 and wanted to ensure that a player couldn't accidentally kill her off. That's very obvious at this point and I don't understand why some people try to deny it.

What I'm basically saying that it isn't like there is no conceivable reason why Miranda may be more likely to survive than other squad mates. She's the most dedicated to the mission, and even revived Shepard for the mission herself. She has a lot more invested into the suicide mission. She's also Cerberus and human. So is Jacob, but you couldn't say that Jacob is as loyal to Cerberus as Miranda is. Jacob pretty clearly voices his mixed feelings about Cerberus, whereas Miranda is more supportive of Cerberus.

If you like Miranda and want her in your ME3 game, then rejoice because it's easy enough to make happen. For those of us that don't like her and want to make sure she's not around for ME3 it just takes a little extra planning and work. Why do some of you have a problem with that?

I'm not sure if you're saying I'm one of those people. I don't have a problem with people who dislike whatever squad mate. It's your game, do what you want. If you want her to get killed so badly, just reload and get information from the internet on how to kill whatever squad mate you want.

[shinobi602]

Snowraptor wrote...

I was realy not expecting people to over react on this topic. Especially since im just pointing out obvious stuff here. Not gain a characters loyalty and yet no matter what that character survives all odds. Even dumb ones such as scrpiting her not too bec killed by the swarms. That must be the worst out of them all. The others just show her being to awesome to die. She dont need loyalty mission completed if you dont need her in suicide mission. Why must you try and force you opinions on something that matters nothing to you down my throat?

If whoever's doing the biotic shield isn't able to hold it until the end, it doesn't matter who it is, it's not the biotic that dies, it's always one of the other 2 team members. This happens with any character, not just Miranda.

And I hope you're not saying I'm forcing my opinion down your throat. I didn't even post an opinion at all in this thread.

[Snowraptor]

Actually collider she isnt an option for escorting the survivors

[Snowraptor]

double post

Modifié par Snowraptor, 04 mars 2010 - 02:46 .

[Snowraptor]

shinobi602 wrote...

Snowraptor wrote...

I was realy not expecting people to over react on this topic. Especially since im just pointing out obvious stuff here. Not gain a characters loyalty and yet no matter what that character survives all odds. Even dumb ones such as scrpiting her not too bec killed by the swarms. That must be the worst out of them all. The others just show her being to awesome to die. She dont need loyalty mission completed if you dont need her in suicide mission. Why must you try and force you opinions on something that matters nothing to you down my throat?

If whoever's doing the biotic shield isn't able to hold it until the end, it doesn't matter who it is, it's not the biotic that dies, it's always one of the other 2 team members. This happens with any character, not just Miranda.

And I hope you're not saying I'm forcing my opinion down your throat. I didn't even post an opinion at all in this thread.

no when you for examply have samara as your biotic specialist, or anyone else besides miranda, and you bring miranda with you along with another character. no matter what, she will never be killed by the swarms. it will always be the other character, i know the biotic cant be killed, if she could then bioware would not have made miranda an option to be a biotic specialist

[shinobi602]

Snowraptor wrote...

no when you for examply have samara as your biotic specialist, or anyone else besides miranda, and you bring miranda with you along with another character. no matter what, she will never be killed by the swarms. it will always be the other character, i know the biotic cant be killed, if she could then bioware would not have made miranda an option to be a biotic specialist

Try picking Miranda first, on the squadmate selection screen. I've tried it a few times with a few characters as an experiment, and it always turns out that the firstsquadmate I pick is always the one that gets killed. Just last night, I picked Miranda as biotic specialist to get the swarm scene, and I picked Jacob first, then Zaeed second, and it was Jacob that got snatched.

The order might have something to do with it.

[IoCaster]

Collider wrote...


That's untrue if I remember correctly. If you send Miranda as unloyal escort, she will die. If you send Miranda as a biotic loyal or disloyal, someone will end up dying because of her (Samara and Jack are more biotic). If you destroy the base and Miranda is disloyal, she dies after the suicide mission. There may also be some other ways she can die that I'm not thinking of.

If she dies as a non-loyal escort that's fine because it's what happens to every other non-loyal squad member too. Now how about the fact that she survives as a non-loyal 2nd squad leader or the fact that she can be carried off by the swarm and survive that as well? Every other character dies in those situations but not her. As far as the biotic shield is concerned, anyone other than a loyal Samara or Jack will get a character killed in that sequence, so what's your point?.

What I'm basically saying that it isn't like there is no conceivable reason why Miranda may be more likely to survive than other squad mates. She's the most dedicated to the mission, and even revived Shepard for the mission herself. She has a lot more invested into the suicide mission. She's also Cerberus and human. So is Jacob, but you couldn't say that Jacob is as loyal to Cerberus as Miranda is. Jacob pretty clearly voices his mixed feelings about Cerberus, whereas Miranda is more supportive of Cerberus.

She doesn't really exist. I'm not sure why anyone would try to attribute actual motives, emotions or abilities to a fictional character. The devs are in control of all of that, not Miranda because she doesn't really exist.

I'm not sure if you're saying I'm one of those people. I don't have a problem with people who dislike whatever squad mate. It's your game, do what you want. If you want her to get killed so badly, just reload and get information from the internet on how to kill whatever squad mate you want.

My question is, why is there a denial of the obvious fact that Miranda is exempt from dying in situations that other squad members won't survive? I mean it's beyond extreme when people start to rationalize it by stating that Miranda is so much more capable and awesome that of course she can survive against the odds. Is it so hard to accept the fact that BioWare favors an endgame result where Miranda survives?

[Collider]

IoCaster wrote...
Now how about the fact that she survives as a non-loyal 2nd squad leader

Already gave you the reason. She's both a great leader and the most dedicated to the mission to begin with. She's quite approving of Cerberus and TIM and she invested a lot of time and patience in Shepard and defeating the collectors.

or the fact that she can be carried off by the swarm and survive that as well? Every other character dies in those situations but not her.

Actually, I think I just read shinobi experimented and has had Miranda die by seeker swarms if she's put in the first slot with a bad biotic.

As far as the biotic shield is concerned, anyone other than a loyal Samara or Jack will get a character killed in that sequence, so what's your point?.

My point being is that she does not survive or perfectly do everything that another unloyal squad mate wouldn't.

She doesn't really exist. I'm not sure why anyone would try to attribute actual motives, emotions or abilities to a fictional character. The devs are in control of all of that, not Miranda because she doesn't really exist.

Miranda's character was likely to have been written before the details of the suicide mission itself was. They could go back and change some details, but for what purpose? To satisfy people who would be annoyed that she's the most likely to survive? I would wager that most people either like Miranda or don't care that she's the most likely to survive.

My question is, why is there a denial of the obvious fact that Miranda is exempt from dying in situations that other squad members won't survive? I mean it's beyond extreme when people start to rationalize it by stating that Miranda is so much more capable and awesome that of course she can survive against the odds. Is it so hard to accept the fact that BioWare favors an endgame result where Miranda survives?

How is it beyond extreme? That's a huge exaggeration. I'm just giving some possible reasons in terms of lore as to why it happens. Of course the developers intentionally had Miranda more likely to survive. I'm not disputing that.

[IoCaster]

shinobi602 wrote...



Try picking Miranda first, on the squadmate selection screen. I've tried it a few times with a few characters as an experiment, and it always turns out that the firstsquadmate I pick is always the one that gets killed. Just last night, I picked Miranda as biotic specialist to get the swarm scene, and I picked Jacob first, then Zaeed second, and it was Jacob that got snatched.

The order might have something to do with it.

Check youtube and you'll find at least one video that shows Miranda actually getting carried off by the swarm. Then in the next scene she's back alive and unharmed. Apparently she's so damn awesome that she can survive that.

Actually, because of the awesomeness of that scene, I'm now having second thoughts about keeping her around to help me beat the Reapers. 

[shinobi602]

IoCaster wrote...

Check youtube and you'll find at least one video that shows Miranda actually getting carried off by the swarm. Then in the next scene she's back alive and unharmed. Apparently she's so damn awesome that she can survive that.

Actually, because of the awesomeness of that scene, I'm now having second thoughts about keeping her around to help me beat the Reapers. 

Oh really? Damn, didn't know that lol. Well, it's true though, it's apparent BW has really written the story so that she's almost guaranteed to survive into ME3...she's just very likely to play a huge role in it then. Not that I'm complaining (as you'd probably guess lol.)