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[AccursedOdin]

IoCaster wrote...

My question is, why is there a denial of the obvious fact that Miranda is exempt from dying in situations that other squad members won't survive? I mean it's beyond extreme when people start to rationalize it by stating that Miranda is so much more capable and awesome that of course she can survive against the odds. Is it so hard to accept the fact that BioWare favors an endgame result where Miranda survives?

I don't think anyone is in denial that it's extremely tough to kill off Miranda, so much so that one would have to go out of their way to do it. The fact that it's so difficult to does point to the fact that Bioware would rather keep her around for ME3. As for rationalizing why she's got such a greater level of survivabilty, I don't think it's as much people trying to get themselves to believe that Miranda is a total badass and that she's so much better than everyone else, as much as it is them trying to explain her high surivial probability in the context of the game world.

Modifié par AccursedOdin, 04 mars 2010 - 03:17 .

[IoCaster]

Collider wrote...


My point being is that she does not survive or perfectly do everything that another unloyal squad mate wouldn't.

This is simple denial at this point. It's been proven again and again that she'll survive situations that other squad member don't.

How is it beyond extreme? That's a huge exaggeration. I'm just giving some possible reasons in terms of lore as to why it happens. Of course the developers intentionally had Miranda more likely to survive. I'm not disputing that.

It's got nothing to do with 'lore'. There is no 'lore' other than what the devs write and we've seen how that is subject to change based on expediency. How's that new ammo heatsink system working for ya? Her backstory, such as it is, has nothing to do with why she survives getting shot in the gut as the non-loyal 2nd team leader. It has nothing to do with her surviving getting carried off by the swarm. It's solely based on the fact that BioWare didn't want her to die in those sections of the game.  

[IoCaster]

shinobi602 wrote...



Oh really? Damn, didn't know that lol. Well, it's true though, it's apparent BW has really written the story so that she's almost guaranteed to survive into ME3...she's just very likely to play a huge role in it then. Not that I'm complaining (as you'd probably guess lol.)

Click here and starting at ~4:40 mark you'll see Jacob failing at biotic shield and Miranda gets carried off. Keep watching for a neat trick.

[Azint]

Miranda refuses to die. Simple explanation.
She's tough as nails and you hate that?

Modifié par Azint, 04 mars 2010 - 03:34 .

[IoCaster]

AccursedOdin wrote...



I don't think anyone is in denial that it's extremely tough to kill off Miranda, so much so that one would have to go out of their way to do it. The fact that it's so difficult to does point to the fact that Bioware would rather keep her around for ME3. As for rationalizing why she's got such a greater level of survivabilty, I don't think it's as much people trying to get themselves to believe that Miranda is a total badass and that she's so much better than everyone else, as much as it is them trying to explain her high surivial probability in the context of the game world.

I can somewhat agree other than the fact that a person has to really stretch to rationalize it in the first place. Some of these folks getting killed in those situations are pretty damn tough. Miranda survives a shot to the gut that Zaeed doesn't, even though he survived getting shot in the head? I guess all of those cybernetic enhancements really paid off in the end.

[The_Zoomer_Knight]

The only thing about Miranda's invincibility that really bothers me is the whole gut-shot thing. It shouldn't matter whether she's loyal or an experienced squad leader, a gut-shot should kill an unarmored human, especially if it kills an armored Krogan.

[shinobi602]

The_Zoomer_Knight wrote...

The only thing about Miranda's invincibility that really bothers me is the whole gut-shot thing. It shouldn't matter whether she's loyal or an experienced squad leader, a gut-shot should kill an unarmored human, especially if it kills an armored Krogan.

Well, she does heal a lot faster than anyone else according to what she said in the game. But really, the only explanation is the devs wanted her to survive into ME3.

[Sorwen]

Her body may be genetically perfect but her and Samara have a bad case of man jaw. Male faces should have that "strong jaw" look, on a woman that is just kind of scarry.

Modifié par Sorwen, 04 mars 2010 - 03:57 .

[Snowraptor]

i am now beggining too accept the fact that miranda can survive all these assignments. even with out loyalty, unfortunatly she isnt scripted to stay dead or be killed by swarms and is somehow able to survive a gut shot. Unlike zaeed, even with better armor. i mean yeah he lived a gunshot too the head but a gut shot would be far too difficult too fight

[USMCTanker]

So i havnt read the whole thread, i just got annoyed, but i have a few points to make:



a.) does anyone else think snowraptor sounds like a spoiled 13 year old girl who didnt get to go on a shopping spree and spend her dad's money? God he (or she, i dont know which it is) is really annoying.



b.) ever think there is a reason that its really hard to kill her? maybe, oh i dont know, she has a huge role in the next game? no no no, that cant be it, the devs just really really like her, so she cant die. yeah, thats it...



c.) she has important dialogue throughout the suicide mission...



d.)



4 minutes and 50 seconds in...

[Onyx Jaguar]

Good points made useless by trolling.



Yes give me what you got I can take it!



(the Miranda getting carried off thing is hilarious and should be patched )

[USMCTanker]

as an appology for being an ****, enjoy:

[tonnactus]

Maviarab wrote...

She deserved it.

[slackbheep]

Wynne wrote...

Snowraptor wrote...
this really questions biowares motives on miranda, do they all love her that much?

What you mean to say is, "This really calls into question Bioware's motives concerning Yvonne Strahovski, did they really have to pay her that much?" 

They plan on bringing her back in ME3, so she has a high chance of survival. That's my assumption.

This. You milk your stars, even if they do happen to have a face like a potatoe in game.

Modifié par slackbheep, 04 mars 2010 - 01:25 .

[klossen4]

well jack survived when she was unloyal to me

[Halfheart]

What would be really stupidly sad (and, I must admit, hilarious as well) is even if you kill her off at the final boss she comes back in ME3. She's so magically good at surviving in ME2, that this scenario isn't too hard for me to believe. (and don't even try to compare a "genetically perfect" human to a pure krogan... awesome healing capabilities and multiple backup organ systems make them f**king tanks, Miranda has nothing on Grunt in terms of pure survivability)

[WrexEffex]

shinobi602 wrote...

Lol, I don't understand why anyone would even want any squadmate to die. Doesn't make sense lmao.

To make the suicide mission more epic. Having everyone survive looks good on paper, but it's not as emotional as losing people along the ride.

[Sharn01]

Halfheart wrote...

What would be really stupidly sad (and, I must admit, hilarious as well) is even if you kill her off at the final boss she comes back in ME3. She's so magically good at surviving in ME2, that this scenario isn't too hard for me to believe. (and don't even try to compare a "genetically perfect" human to a pure krogan... awesome healing capabilities and multiple backup organ systems make them f**king tanks, Miranda has nothing on Grunt in terms of pure survivability)

I am betting if you go out of your way to kill Miranda, her twin sister will take her place.

[tonnactus]

I fear bioware would annoy you with her sister then.

Modifié par tonnactus, 04 mars 2010 - 11:04 .

[Homey C-Dawg]

I hate Miranda. Daddy issued self promoting cold hearted anti social buck toothed space b*tch. And for some reason she is nowhere near as attractive as her actress (perfection, sure) The head doesn't fit the body at all. Femshep is much more attractive in body and face.

She never does understand on any of my playthroughs that I'm in charge and nobody on my team likes her except Jacob. Thank you guys for revealing how I can kill her off because she just rubs me the wrong way and I want her gone in ME3.

[tonnactus]

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

I hate Miranda. Daddy issued self promoting cold hearted anti social buck toothed space b*tch. And for some reason she is nowhere near as attractive as her actress (perfection, sure) The head doesn't fit the body at all. Femshep is much more attractive in body and face.

Jedore looks better.Nef looked better.
The blue suns second command.
She is not even the best looking human female in the game.

Modifié par tonnactus, 06 mars 2010 - 02:29 .

[Wild Still]

Even the collectors are no match for a woman who displays such prominent....





Assets...

[CmdrFenix83]

jlb524 wrote...

Take an unloyal Miranda with you to fight the final boss and she'll die. That's how I'm going to kill her in my current playthrough.

This.  It's the only way to kill her other than a total wipeout on the 'hold the line' group.  I don't think you're allowed to send her back with the crew, either.

Edit:  Reason being, she has lines in the last conversation before the final mission, so the game won't let her die before then.

Modifié par CmdrFenix83, 06 mars 2010 - 02:42 .

[CmdrFenix83]

USMCTanker wrote...

b.) ever think there is a reason that its really hard to kill her? maybe, oh i dont know, she has a huge role in the next game? no no no, that cant be it, the devs just really really like her, so she cant die. yeah, thats it...

Wrong.

c.) she has important dialogue throughout the suicide mission...

Ding ding ding!  We have a winner!

[yummysoap]

I don't think she actually took a full shot to the chest. She's hailed as being incredibly smart so she probably managed to take evasive maneuvers (/Joker) that other squaddies wouldn't've thought of, leaving the last tiny portion of her shields to get sucked up in that last shot. She still probably felt quite an impact, though, because her shields were beginning to fail.



But hey, guess what?! An unloyal grunt can hold the line by himself. So Miranda's not the only one with preferential treatment.