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[fredders]

Sorry if its obvious to some of you who know this kind of stuff, but im curious.

So, how did they do it? Just fly from the edge of the galaxy?

[Vanguard Alpha]

The Citadel is one giant Relay and there must be another in Dark space for the cycle to be efficient.

[Rebel_Guy]

They probably just go from galaxy to galaxy on a non-stop killing spree, how would they know that they were waiting in dark space anyway?

[max_ai]

He probably asks how they've done the first time.

No idea. Magic?

[RobbertDewulf]

Trial and error.



xD

[TheUnusualSuspect]

I personally suspect that the size of the Citadel gives a clue. It's the only Mass Relay that the Reapers built that is able to operate without a matching relay at the other end. All we know to date is that all lesser relays need a matching end. It cannot be assumed though that a Relay the size of sophistication of the Citadel needs to operate under such a restriction.

[Vanguard Alpha]

The first time? Set ship carrying relay on autopilot and blam, few thousand years later...its amazing what you can do if theres only one dominant species in the galaxy with all the resources at hand. Also, they could have a FTL thing of there own, independant of the relays, who knows, Reaper tech is at least 37million years old.

[Toxik King]

ur mom



lol

[Habelo]

fly while carrying the mass relay on their backs. when they want to go back for refreshments they go thru the portal.

[Lightice_av]

The Reapers are immortal, so the time is on their side. But it's also possible that they have technology for the job that they haven't shared with the galaxy; the Mass Relays essentially give a nice, big playground for the galactic civilizations, while neatly keeping in their designated areas with no access to places the Reapers wouldn't want them snooping around. Perhaps they aren't nearly as dependent on the Relays as everybody else?

[fredders]

hmm..it doesn't make much sense to me!



if they didn't 'carry' it the whole way, how the heck did they build it in dark space?

[marshalleck]

They don't die of old age so hauling a huge relay into dark space is perfectly plausible. It just took them a long time to get it there. They're immortal, so it doesn't matter if it took them 5,000 years to get it out there.

Modifié par marshalleck, 03 mars 2010 - 11:17 .

[Daeion]

TheUnusualSuspect wrote...

I personally suspect that the size of the Citadel gives a clue. It's the only Mass Relay that the Reapers built that is able to operate without a matching relay at the other end. All we know to date is that all lesser relays need a matching end. It cannot be assumed though that a Relay the size of sophistication of the Citadel needs to operate under such a restriction.

And your proof that there isn't another relay in Dark Space?  Why can't it be assumed that the citadel relay needs to operate with the same restrictions as the same technology it's based off of.

[Daeion]

fredders wrote...

hmm..it doesn't make much sense to me!

if they didn't 'carry' it the whole way, how the heck did they build it in dark space?

Dark space isn't another dimension or anything, it's simply the area between galaxies where there are no stars.  For all we know their 2nd relay could simply be 1 light year into dark space.

[Sledge454]

marshalleck wrote...

They don't die of old age so hauling a huge relay into dark space is perfectly plausible. It just took them a long time to get it there. They're immortal, so it doesn't matter if it took them 5,000 years to get it out there.

You don't even have to "haul" it.  You just get it up to speed and let Newton's First Law go to work.  Didn't you listen to the instructor at C-Sec security?  The Reapers didn't just "eye-ball it".

Modifié par Sledge454, 03 mars 2010 - 11:24 .

[Sledge454]

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Modifié par Sledge454, 03 mars 2010 - 11:24 .

[marshalleck]

Sledge454 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

They don't die of old age so hauling a huge relay into dark space is perfectly plausible. It just took them a long time to get it there. They're immortal, so it doesn't matter if it took them 5,000 years to get it out there.

You don't even have to "haul" it.  You just get it up to speed and let Newton's First Law go to work.  Didn't you listen to the instructor at C-Sec security?  The Reapers didn't just "eye-ball it".

You realize it wouldn't just magically slow down on its own once it got to the desired location, right? Right? I mean, chiding someone over basic physics you don't understand yourself would make you look pretty foolish.

[Sledge454]

marshalleck wrote...

Sledge454 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

They don't die of old age so hauling a huge relay into dark space is perfectly plausible. It just took them a long time to get it there. They're immortal, so it doesn't matter if it took them 5,000 years to get it out there.

You don't even have to "haul" it.  You just get it up to speed and let Newton's First Law go to work.  Didn't you listen to the instructor at C-Sec security?  The Reapers didn't just "eye-ball it".

You realize it wouldn't just magically slow down on its own once it got to the desired location, right? Right? I mean, chiding someone over basic physics you don't understand yourself would make you look pretty foolish.

Because these super-intelligent machines couldn't have possibly thought of the idea of making a one-off relay that had a braking propulsion system on it.

Chiding someone over the inability to think outside the box would make you look pretty foolish.

Modifié par Sledge454, 03 mars 2010 - 11:33 .

[Daeion]

Sledge454 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

They don't die of old age so hauling a huge relay into dark space is perfectly plausible. It just took them a long time to get it there. They're immortal, so it doesn't matter if it took them 5,000 years to get it out there.

You don't even have to "haul" it.  You just get it up to speed and let Newton's First Law go to work.  Didn't you listen to the instructor at C-Sec security?  The Reapers didn't just "eye-ball it".

And what causes it to stop where the weapers want it?

[shoemy89]

Do you mean the first time they left the galaxy or after every "harvest" cycle?



If after the first time: I assume they either took a relay with them or somehow built one when they got out there, so that they could get back to the Citadel. Or the supposed relay could have already been there from a race that originally created the Reapers/first Reaper. ...But that's a different theory entirely.



If after every cycle: ...I just assumed that they went back through the Citadel relay.

[marshalleck]

Sledge454 wrote...

Because these super-intelligent machines couldn't have possibly thought of the idea of making a one-off relay that had a braking propulsion system on it.
Chiding someone over the inability to think outside the box would make you look pretty foolish.

Think outside the box? You mean hand-wave a contrived solution to a problem that doesn't even exist in the first place? You're right, I'm not doing that. For good reason. 

Modifié par marshalleck, 03 mars 2010 - 11:35 .

[TheUnusualSuspect]

Daeion wrote...

TheUnusualSuspect wrote...

I personally suspect that the size of the Citadel gives a clue. It's the only Mass Relay that the Reapers built that is able to operate without a matching relay at the other end. All we know to date is that all lesser relays need a matching end. It cannot be assumed though that a Relay the size of sophistication of the Citadel needs to operate under such a restriction.

And your proof that there isn't another relay in Dark Space?  Why can't it be assumed that the citadel relay needs to operate with the same restrictions as the same technology it's based off of.

Why assume that it has to work the same?  The Reapers built it.  It's nothing at all like any of the other relays, and it's their "secret weapon" for getting back into the Galaxy from dark space.  Having a relay at the other end just increases the risk that someone could figure out how to activate the Citadel and catch the reapers out when they're hibernating, and that would be the last thing that they would want.  Having the Citadel be the sole device means that without a matching set of co-ordinates for where the fleet is, there's pretty much zero chance that they'll be caught with their pants down.  At best, the people who discover what the Citadel is will just marvel at the ability to go anywhere it points and still be caught by surprise when the Citadel auto-activates and brings the fleet through.

Modifié par TheUnusualSuspect, 03 mars 2010 - 11:40 .

[Mnemnosyne]

Not all mass relays need a connecting end at the other side. The major relays that let you jump a long distance do, but there are smaller relays that are omnidirectional and can't throw you as far as the large ones. Presumably, the Reapers got out there by assembling a series of 'non-paired' relays.



This is also the only logical way they can get back into the galaxy. It stands to reason that the reason they needed the Citadel relay is because they didn't have any other way to travel that distance quickly. It therefore stands to reason that under their own power, they could not possibly reach the galaxy within a human lifetime - even if they have some way to ignore the drive charge problem that all known ships have (need to discharge into a magnetic field/planet).

[Sledge454]

marshalleck wrote...

Think outside the box? You mean hand-wave a contrived solution to a problem that doesn't even exist in the first place?

Even NASA space probes have the (albeit limited) ability to change course in mid flight and the main source of momentum is a chemical rocket impulse after leaving Earth's gravity well.

So if us mere humans can think of it, I don't see how it's a "hand wave".  It's the way I'd do it.  Better than spending all that time travelling to the outer rim and beyond.

marshalleck wrote...
You're right, I'm not doing that. For good reason. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/joyful.png[/smilie]

I'm guessing you don't work for NASA or ESA.  All the better for the rest of us

[newcomplex]

They drove perpendicular for a long time.



Really, its that simple.