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[Erucolindo]

From the moment I saw Wynne in some of the preview vids, I was not thrilled. Not angry, cause i knew what she was I guess, but not thrilled.

I know her uses, and they are few but important. She's the healer specialist. Yes, you can do other things, but I always get stuck saving her mana for heals. I don't do the hold type spells that much cause they are all or nothing spells and even when they hit a boss, they don't last THAT long. However, that's another topic.

She's the motherly toon, I get that, and she's a healer. Which, to me, makes her necessary. So necessary that from the moment I have her, she is in every group. I don't like needing a toon the way I need her. It's my own fault for having a play style that requires her healing. My warrior is pretty damn good, better and improved compared to my last toon. Right now he's wearing a combination of Calins armor and the chest piece from Blood Dragon. He doesn't almost die in every fight, but comes close enough times that Wynne is a necessity, especially on some boss fights like the Brood mother.

I have issues in general about gaves needing healers. It's worse in MMO's when no one will do anything without a tank and a healer. I liked KOTOR because there was no need to have a healer in your party, just a lock pick. Same with ME. You just needed Tali unless you could decrypt cause med kits healed everyone and the Jedi in kotor all could have a healing spell.

I'm sure it's no accident that Wynne and Win sound the same, a hint prolly.

Regular heal that all mages can get only heals for about 54 or so, and group heal i think does a little less or a little more. So every battle is a combo of Wynne's healing and potions.

So am I mostly alone with my love hate of Wynne?

[ejoslin]

You don't need a healer . . . Wynne dies a lot in my games.  And even if she survives the circle, she spends most of her time knitting and cooking at the camp.

Modifié par ejoslin, 03 mars 2010 - 11:54 .

[Jaulen]

I left Wynn at camp all this game, and then after Sacred Ashes, she just up and left. Ah well, taht's what you get I guess when you dump some blood into an ashbin.

My Death Squad doesn't need no stinkin' Wynne to kick butt.

I find I enjoy the game more sans non-PC mages.

[ENCHANTMENTSSS]

Ya I find myself always keepin her within my party in all my playthroughs just cause i've pigeon holed her as the healer of the game even though u can set Morrigan as a healer but my reason for not settin Morrigan as the healer is cuz

1. she disagrees a lot with my views which kills my approval

2. if she knew any heal spells she would only use it on herself in battle LOL that queen of the shrieks

[Nonvita]

I never use Wynne, and I never give healing spells to Morrigan. I also almost never use healing/lyrium potions. So no, you don't need a healer in this game.



The CC spells are your best friends. Even if they don't last long, that's several seconds where you can take out some other enemies without worrying about the big guys. Once you have several of the spells, you can keep major enemies out of the fight until they're the only one left. (I realize mods that affect difficulty change this, but I'm fine with the way things are. XD) Add in that Forcefield can be better than a heal in many situations and you can get through with no one dying easily.



A lot of people find Wynne to be extremely useful in their parties, but she's far from necessary.

[Creature 1]

Wynne has only one special ability that other mages can't get, and it's not very useful. Spec Morrigan as a Spirit Healer, she'll do just as good a job.

[krylo]

Healing < Crowd Control.



Wynne is pointless. I've never used her, and never had problems. If anything, I find the game more difficult with her, and find myself using more lyrium potions and health poultices with her in the group than with a CC specced Morrigan. By far.

[ejoslin]

krylo wrote...

Healing

Wynne is pointless. I've never used her, and never had problems. If anything, I find the game more difficult with her, and find myself using more lyrium potions and health poultices with her in the group than with a CC specced Morrigan. By far.

I dared suggest that elsewhere, and got flamed worse than usual!  But I agree about controlling -- if you're not being hit, you don't need to be healed.

[Jaulen]

I agree with Krylo. Not having Wynne in the group has made this game much easier than my others. In the playthrough where I took Wynne EVERYWHERE as my healer, she would stand there and not do her tactics....someone close to death needing a heal, and Wynne stands there, and that some dies. Need a revive spell or a group heal and Wynne needs mana? Instead of downing a lyrium potion she stands there. oop! One hit, she'd dead, time to reload since everyone else died by this time.

I went through so many more health potions when using Wynne in my party.

I also hated always having to click over to her to make her do something (tactis seem way buggered up for her)



And I did give Morrigan a Heal slot this game and took her with on one encounter for some AoE spells, and yep, she only used heal on herself....*sigh*

[Erucolindo]

Well I'm not that good at CC. I'd guess that those that are had no problem saving everyone at Redcliff, where as I had to pause everyone other second to see who Morrigan needed to heal.



I'd wager that, in fact, if other people saw me play, they would see chaos. It's fun though. I used Morrigans CoC ALOT in my first playthrough, so much so that I begun to hate it cause it seemed to make every battle boil down to CoC, and that bothered me. Morrigans only purpose, it seemed, became using CoC, and every boss fight was centered around that. Especially with the 300 guy from the Urn quest.

[Nonvita]

Here's my sad confession- I heard people complaining about siding with the werewolves and then realizing all the elfroot was now gone. By which, I thought they meant all the elfroot in the entire game disappeared, including all the little plants and everything... I didn't realize they just meant Varathorn. >.>



Basically, I had *no* clue that it was even possible to use so many health potions as to need an infinite supply. I use about 20 total during a playthrough. And that's without ever using a healer (or letting anyone die).

[SOLID_EVEREST]

No, you are not alone I hate Wynne with a passion. She guzzles up all of my lyrium potions and forces me to buy more each playthrough. I'm playing on hard difficulty with Morrigan as my spirit healer and I'm doing fine. I even put a post on the playstation forums saying how Wynne was overrated. Almost everyone dissagreed with me, but I don't care. I have tried to use her with so many different strategies, even some recommended, but she seems to just run out of mana right at the start of each battle.

[Gold Dragon]

Strange. I've had LESS usage of Lyrium/Poultices with Wynne in the active party. Must be because I've upped most melee fighter's constitution.



And the ONLY time I ever got the Helm of the Red (reward for keeping everyone alive during the battle of Redcliffe) was by having Wynne simply stand there defending herself and keeping the 4th level Spirit healer spell active.

[ejoslin]

Hmmm, I never up constitution above 20 and that's late in the game -- dex is far more important. Again, if you're not getting hit, you're not needing healing.

[ArawnNox]

In one of my earlier games, Wynne's tactics really didn't work quite as well as would have liked. She wouldn't pop off heals in time, or would burn through her mana when they weren't needed, and would drink lyrium potions like water, draining my supply.

Basically, I turned off her tactics and handled her spell casting manually. That way, she could support the party longer and be more useful.

As for reliance on her... I don't know, she's generally been in my party because I like having a dedicated healer and I usually play "good" characters. That, and the raunchy dialogue between her and Oghrim is side-splittingly hilarious. XD

[Gold Dragon]

Dex is important, but CON covers physical resistance. And I usually end the Game with Wynne having both Magic and Willpower in the high 40's or even in the 50's. Go figure.

[Reaverwind]

Wynne is over-rated. I haven't bothered taking her along in the last couple of playthroughs.

[Shadvox]

I never use Wynne unless I'm forced to/doing her quest. Her tactics ALWAYS glitch, like all of a sudden instead of stamina regenerating one of my party members she sucks down most potent lyrium potion after potion--even when she's got 90% of her mana!

Then next thing I know she un-equips her staff, charges downhill into the main fray swinging bare fists!



Her 'advice' stinks as well.

SPOILER...and at the last battle she's the only one who says her piece...then leaves without a chat option because she doesn't care what anyone else (her 'honored friend') has to say because The Wynne hath spoken!

All of which means: campsitter every playthrough.



Best option is to know how to use your other characters based on their abilities in battle so they don't die and need reviving...if Wynne the smug would even bother to do that I mean. Like come on already, Wynne...SPOILER...you're already dead so why is it heal your own butt first and always over everyone else in the party? Go sit by the cozy fire and eat some pudding already, we'll ALL feel better for it. Survive too. LOL.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Nonvita wrote...

Here's my sad confession- I heard people complaining about siding with the werewolves and then realizing all the elfroot was now gone. By which, I thought they meant all the elfroot in the entire game disappeared, including all the little plants and everything... I didn't realize they just meant Varathorn. >.>

Basically, I had *no* clue that it was even possible to use so many health potions as to need an infinite supply. I use about 20 total during a playthrough. And that's without ever using a healer (or letting anyone die).

And it is certainly not on the hardest difficulty...

[Malanek]

There are a couple of attritional fights that if you are not prepared for (by stacking appropriate resistances) are much easier with group heal. If you don't have that you can still win them but I tend to drink a lot of potions in doing so.



Overall though many of the mechanics in DA:O remove the need for a healer. Like automatically healing after combat and herbalism. I would say having a healer is more important for saving you external resources (money) than it is for saving your life.

[knittzu]

I'm almost finished with a playthrough where I let her stalk off in a huff after the Sacred Ashtray. I was leery about the CC > healing theory but decided to give it a try and sure enough, it's true. Like ejoslin has always said -- if they can't hit you, you don't need any healing. I had so much more fun without her; I much prefer to focus on DPS.

...someone close to death needing a heal, and Wynne stands there, and that some dies.

No doubt she's just getting revenge on that someone for doing something she didn't approve of. Having sex, perhaps, or not sitting at her feet in worshipful wide-eyed silence while she imparted her words of wisdom.

[Reaverwind]

Shadvox wrote...

I never use Wynne unless I'm forced to/doing her quest. Her tactics ALWAYS glitch, like all of a sudden instead of stamina regenerating one of my party members she sucks down most potent lyrium potion after potion--even when she's got 90% of her mana!
Then next thing I know she un-equips her staff, charges downhill into the main fray swinging bare fists!

Her 'advice' stinks as well.
SPOILER...and at the last battle she's the only one who says her piece...then leaves without a chat option because she doesn't care what anyone else (her 'honored friend') has to say because The Wynne hath spoken!
All of which means: campsitter every playthrough.

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Yup, same here, unless she ends up dead in the Tower because my PC might have decided to yank her chain.

[Nonvita]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

And it is certainly not on the hardest difficulty...

I'm not sure I understand your meaning...

[Cuddlezarro]

Nonvita wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

And it is certainly not on the hardest difficulty...

I'm not sure I understand your meaning...

hes accusing you of playing on a difficulty other than nightmare most likley easy mode

Modifié par Cuddlezarro, 04 mars 2010 - 01:07 .

[Maria Caliban]

You don't need a healer, and Morrigan or the PC can be specced as healers. Alternatively, I like having as many mages as possible, and you can give Wynne non-healing spells.