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[jklinders]

CC-Tron wrote...

Fabler4 wrote...

CC-Tron wrote...

Exile Isan wrote...

Mercenary. Which is why his little rant about Thane is completely hypocritical.

No it's not hypocritical because their motivations are not the same . Jacob's is working for Cerberus to serve humanity without the beauracracy of the Alliance machine to hold him back. He doesn't agree with Cerberus's methods but feels their goals are noble. This also applies to Shephard.

Thane is killing people for no one but himself and not for any noble cause. Which is why he feels so much guilt for his actions. He's a paid assassin and does not choose his targets. Yet he continues to do it.

Actually Thane is killing the people who killed his wife. He hasn't been paid to assassinate anyone for awhile.

Atleast that's what I remember from the words that came out of his mouth.


OT: Samuel L Jackson?

Wrong. Thane became an assassin because of his wife's death. He continued being an assassin after his wife's killiers were dealt with. He's been a hired killer of others ever since .

Wrong, he became an assassin because he was given by his parents to the Hanar to work for their government as an assassin. He made his first kill when he was 12, I imagine well before he was married. A hired killer working for a government is no different than a hired killer working for Cerberus, same goals, different people. Game set and match.

[CC-Tron]

Deztyn wrote...

LuckyIronAxe wrote...


aww AWW, so much Jacob hating!
He's a good man, he wants to do the right thing, and he couldn't do it
in the Alliance because all they do is bog you down in red tape, and if
they are really pissed off at you, they ground your ship.

No red tape and no oversight leads to things like Akuze, inhumane experiments on children, dead Admirals and colonies overrun with Rachni, Geth and Thorian creepers.

CC-Tron wrote...

Wrong. Thane became an assassin because of his wife's death. He continued being an assassin after his wife's killiers were dealt with. He's been a hired killer of others ever since .

Errrr.... wrong.

Thane was raised to be an assassin by the Hanar from the time that he was six. He quit working for the Hanar when he got married but eventually went independent because he had no other skills. When his wife was killed he spent years tracking down her killers. And recently he's been working for free to make the galaxy a little brighter before he dies.

So he says but he killed several guards to get to Nasanna. All because he prefers and enjoys killing his targets up close. Still selfish and he's still a paid assassin. That's why he told Shephard he would work free of charge because he usually gets paid for a hit job.

[jklinders]

CC-Tron wrote...

Deztyn wrote...

LuckyIronAxe wrote...


aww AWW, so much Jacob hating!
He's a good man, he wants to do the right thing, and he couldn't do it
in the Alliance because all they do is bog you down in red tape, and if
they are really pissed off at you, they ground your ship.

No red tape and no oversight leads to things like Akuze, inhumane experiments on children, dead Admirals and colonies overrun with Rachni, Geth and Thorian creepers.

CC-Tron wrote...

Wrong. Thane became an assassin because of his wife's death. He continued being an assassin after his wife's killiers were dealt with. He's been a hired killer of others ever since .

Errrr.... wrong.

Thane was raised to be an assassin by the Hanar from the time that he was six. He quit working for the Hanar when he got married but eventually went independent because he had no other skills. When his wife was killed he spent years tracking down her killers. And recently he's been working for free to make the galaxy a little brighter before he dies.

So he says but he killed several guards to get to Nasanna. All because he prefers and enjoys killing his targets up close. Still selfish and he's still a paid assassin. That's why he told Shephard he would work free of charge because he usually gets paid for a hit job.

Out of curiosity do you play the game with the sound on? Thane was not paid for Nassana. you hear that from the Asari that drives you to Dantious towers. you might want to replay that section again.

[CC-Tron]

jklinders wrote...

CC-Tron wrote...

Fabler4 wrote...

CC-Tron wrote...

Exile Isan wrote...

Mercenary. Which is why his little rant about Thane is completely hypocritical.

No it's not hypocritical because their motivations are not the same . Jacob's is working for Cerberus to serve humanity without the beauracracy of the Alliance machine to hold him back. He doesn't agree with Cerberus's methods but feels their goals are noble. This also applies to Shephard.

Thane is killing people for no one but himself and not for any noble cause. Which is why he feels so much guilt for his actions. He's a paid assassin and does not choose his targets. Yet he continues to do it.

Actually Thane is killing the people who killed his wife. He hasn't been paid to assassinate anyone for awhile.

Atleast that's what I remember from the words that came out of his mouth.


OT: Samuel L Jackson?

Wrong. Thane became an assassin because of his wife's death. He continued being an assassin after his wife's killiers were dealt with. He's been a hired killer of others ever since .

Wrong, he became an assassin because he was given by his parents to the Hanar to work for their government as an assassin. He made his first kill when he was 12, I imagine well before he was married. A hired killer working for a government is no different than a hired killer working for Cerberus, same goals, different people. Game set and match.

No game set and match.  I'm getting my information from Mass Effect wiki. It clearly says in the second paragraph that he freelanced his services.

http://masseffect.wi...iki/Thane_Krios

Modifié par CC-Tron, 04 mars 2010 - 01:00 .

[CC-Tron]

jklinders wrote...

CC-Tron wrote...

Deztyn wrote...

LuckyIronAxe wrote...


aww AWW, so much Jacob hating!
He's a good man, he wants to do the right thing, and he couldn't do it
in the Alliance because all they do is bog you down in red tape, and if
they are really pissed off at you, they ground your ship.

No red tape and no oversight leads to things like Akuze, inhumane experiments on children, dead Admirals and colonies overrun with Rachni, Geth and Thorian creepers.

CC-Tron wrote...

Wrong. Thane became an assassin because of his wife's death. He continued being an assassin after his wife's killiers were dealt with. He's been a hired killer of others ever since .

Errrr.... wrong.

Thane was raised to be an assassin by the Hanar from the time that he was six. He quit working for the Hanar when he got married but eventually went independent because he had no other skills. When his wife was killed he spent years tracking down her killers. And recently he's been working for free to make the galaxy a little brighter before he dies.

So he says but he killed several guards to get to Nasanna. All because he prefers and enjoys killing his targets up close. Still selfish and he's still a paid assassin. That's why he told Shephard he would work free of charge because he usually gets paid for a hit job.

Out of curiosity do you play the game with the sound on?

[jklinders]

CC-Tron wrote...

jklinders wrote...

CC-Tron wrote...

Fabler4 wrote...

CC-Tron wrote...

Exile Isan wrote...

Mercenary. Which is why his little rant about Thane is completely hypocritical.

No it's not hypocritical because their motivations are not the same . Jacob's is working for Cerberus to serve humanity without the beauracracy of the Alliance machine to hold him back. He doesn't agree with Cerberus's methods but feels their goals are noble. This also applies to Shephard.

Thane is killing people for no one but himself and not for any noble cause. Which is why he feels so much guilt for his actions. He's a paid assassin and does not choose his targets. Yet he continues to do it.

Actually Thane is killing the people who killed his wife. He hasn't been paid to assassinate anyone for awhile.

Atleast that's what I remember from the words that came out of his mouth.


OT: Samuel L Jackson?

Wrong. Thane became an assassin because of his wife's death. He continued being an assassin after his wife's killiers were dealt with. He's been a hired killer of others ever since .

Wrong, he became an assassin because he was given by his parents to the Hanar to work for their government as an assassin. He made his first kill when he was 12, I imagine well before he was married. A hired killer working for a government is no different than a hired killer working for Cerberus, same goals, different people. Game set and match.

No game set and match.  I'm getting my information from Mass Effect wiki. It clearly says in the second paragraph that he freelanced his services.

http://masseffect.wi...iki/Thane_Krios

Yes he does admit to some freelancing after he left service with the hanar. He is working gratis and on his own initiative by the time he ices Nassana. No one paid him for that.

[Deztyn]

CC-Tron wrote...

jklinders wrote...

CC-Tron wrote...


Wrong. Thane became an assassin because of his wife's death. He continued being an assassin after his wife's killiers were dealt with. He's been a hired killer of others ever since .

Wrong, he became an assassin because he was given by his parents to the Hanar to work for their government as an assassin. He made his first kill when he was 12, I imagine well before he was married. A hired killer working for a government is no different than a hired killer working for Cerberus, same goals, different people. Game set and match.

No game set and match.  I'm getting my information from Mass Effect wiki. It clearly says in the second paragraph that he freelanced his services.

http://masseffect.wi...iki/Thane_Krios

*Sigh* Reposted from one page ago

Deztyn wrote...
Errrr.... wrong.

Thane was raised to be an assassin by the Hanar from the time that he was six.
He quit working for the Hanar when he got married but eventually went
independent because he had no other skills. When his wife was killed he
spent years tracking down her killers. And recently he's been working
for free to make the galaxy a little brighter before he dies.../../../images/forum/emoticons/wink.png

No one hired him to kill Nassana. No one paid him to kill Nassana.

Also the "Guards" he killed to get to Nassana where the same Eclipse mercs Shepard plowed through to get to Thane, you know the ones who were gunning down the Salarian workers.

[Exile Isan]

Yes, Thane did go freelance, mainly because he has no other skills, but after his wife was killed he went after the people responsible on his own no one paid him to do it. Nassana is a little trickier, because I distinctly remember Seryna telling us that nobody paid Thane to kill Nassana, but then Thane says he "excepted the contract". Mmm. I still think Jacob is a hypocrite in that scene. He gets paid by Cerberus which is a private organization, much like the Blue Suns are (. And Thane is helping Shepard for free, because the attacks on the colonies concern him.



Hell, if you want to get right down to it, Shepard is a merc now, albiet a more scruppled (if paragon/paragade) than your average merc.

[CC-Tron]

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jklinders wrote...

CC-Tron wrote...

jklinders wrote...

CC-Tron wrote...

Fabler4 wrote...

CC-Tron wrote...

Exile Isan wrote...

Mercenary. Which is why his little rant about Thane is completely hypocritical.

No it's not hypocritical because their motivations are not the same . Jacob's is working for Cerberus to serve humanity without the beauracracy of the Alliance machine to hold him back. He doesn't agree with Cerberus's methods but feels their goals are noble. This also applies to Shephard.

Thane is killing people for no one but himself and not for any noble cause. Which is why he feels so much guilt for his actions. He's a paid assassin and does not choose his targets. Yet he continues to do it.

Actually Thane is killing the people who killed his wife. He hasn't been paid to assassinate anyone for awhile.

Atleast that's what I remember from the words that came out of his mouth.


OT: Samuel L Jackson?

Wrong. Thane became an assassin because of his wife's death. He continued being an assassin after his wife's killiers were dealt with. He's been a hired killer of others ever since .

Wrong, he became an assassin because he was given by his parents to the Hanar to work for their government as an assassin. He made his first kill when he was 12, I imagine well before he was married. A hired killer working for a government is no different than a hired killer working for Cerberus, same goals, different people. Game set and match.

No game set and match.  I'm getting my information from Mass Effect wiki. It clearly says in the second paragraph that he freelanced his services.

http://masseffect.wi...iki/Thane_Krios

Yes he does admit to some freelancing after he left service with the hanar. He is working gratis and on his own initiative by the time he ices Nassana. No one paid him for that.

I'm am curious though. How does Thane put food on the table? He's an assassin by trade after all. <_<

Modifié par CC-Tron, 04 mars 2010 - 01:11 .

[jklinders]

CC-Tron wrote...

jklinders wrote...

CC-Tron wrote...

jklinders wrote...

CC-Tron wrote...

Fabler4 wrote...

CC-Tron wrote...

Exile Isan wrote...

Mercenary. Which is why his little rant about Thane is completely hypocritical.

No it's not hypocritical because their motivations are not the same . Jacob's is working for Cerberus to serve humanity without the beauracracy of the Alliance machine to hold him back. He doesn't agree with Cerberus's methods but feels their goals are noble. This also applies to Shephard.

Thane is killing people for no one but himself and not for any noble cause. Which is why he feels so much guilt for his actions. He's a paid assassin and does not choose his targets. Yet he continues to do it.

Actually Thane is killing the people who killed his wife. He hasn't been paid to assassinate anyone for awhile.

Atleast that's what I remember from the words that came out of his mouth.


OT: Samuel L Jackson?

Wrong. Thane became an assassin because of his wife's death. He continued being an assassin after his wife's killiers were dealt with. He's been a hired killer of others ever since .

Wrong, he became an assassin because he was given by his parents to the Hanar to work for their government as an assassin. He made his first kill when he was 12, I imagine well before he was married. A hired killer working for a government is no different than a hired killer working for Cerberus, same goals, different people. Game set and match.

No game set and match.  I'm getting my information from Mass Effect wiki. It clearly says in the second paragraph that he freelanced his services.

http://masseffect.wi...iki/Thane_Krios

Yes he does admit to some freelancing after he left service with the hanar. He is working gratis and on his own initiative by the time he ices Nassana. No one paid him for that.

I'm am curious though. How does Thane put food on the table? He's an assassin by trade.

Investments, savings, I doubt he worked for cheap. Even  cheap assassin could porobly live well. not really all that hard to figure out:whistle:

[Jalem001]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

LuckyIronAxe wrote...


aww AWW, so much Jacob hating! He's a good man, he wants to do the right thing, and he couldn't do it in the Alliance because all they do is bog you down in red tape, and if they are really pissed off at you, they ground your ship.

Doesn't that just make him Garrus lite?  Except without the sexy voice and sniper rifle?

No.  Garrus is renegade.  One mishap away from becoming a shell of a man.  Jacob is paragon and while somewhat bitter and cynical, still hopeful for the future.  With Garrus you get the feeling that he's begining to believe that nothing HE does (That means without Shepard leading) will succeed.  Jacob has more heart.

Garrus would sacrifice innocents if it ment taking down someone horrible without blinking.  Jacob would try to find a better way and only do it if it was woth the cost and there was no better alternative.

They're similar, but not the same.  Garrus is going down a darker parth.

[Deztyn]

Exile Isan wrote...

Yes, Thane did go freelance, mainly because he has no other skills, but after his wife was killed he went after the people responsible on his own no one paid him to do it. Nassana is a little trickier, because I distinctly remember Seryna telling us that nobody paid Thane to kill Nassana, but then Thane says he "excepted the contract". Mmm. I still think Jacob is a hypocrite in that scene. He gets paid by Cerberus which is a private organization, much like the Blue Suns are (. And Thane is helping Shepard for free, because the attacks on the colonies concern him.

Hell, if you want to get right down to it, Shepard is a merc now, albiet a more scruppled (if paragon/paragade) than your average merc.

1) I'd forgotten about that contradiction, I say split the difference. The contract was out there, maybe several contracts considering how nasty Nassana was and he accepted it to help "restore the balance of his life" and didn't take any payment. It works and doesn't conflict with what either Thane or Seryna tells us that way.

2) My Shepard is a Spectre and has permission to operate in the Terminus systems, getting the job done however she can. My Shepard is also not a hypocrite, because she chooses not to judge Thane for his career path.

Jacob, on the other hand. Pot meet kettle. or rather Terrorist meet Assassin. As much as he tries to play Paragon the fact is he's working for an organization that he knows is responsible for numerous atrocities.

Modifié par Deztyn, 04 mars 2010 - 01:23 .

[Nozybidaj]

LuckyIronAxe wrote...


aww AWW, so much Jacob hating! He's a good man, he wants to do the right thing, and he couldn't do it in the Alliance because all they do is bog you down in red tape, and if they are really pissed off at you, they ground your ship.

Rules and regulations are usually there for a reason, such as to prevent people from just doing whatever they want and becoming terrorist organizations.

I have much more sympathy for someone like Miranda who may have been a bit dazzled and taken in by TIM and is working for him under the (mistaken) belief that she is doing the right thing than for someone like Jacob who is intentionally working for someone who he knows to be corrupt and tries to brush it all aside with, "i still have my reservations".

If he knows it is wrong then gtfo, don't just complicitly play along because some redtape or bureaucrat hurt your feelings.

The only reason Shepard is working with Cerberus is because he has no other choice because the writers "said so" whether it is able to be rationalized with the person he was in the first game or not.

[77boy84]

Deztyn wrote...

Exile Isan wrote...

Yes, Thane did go freelance, mainly because he has no other skills, but after his wife was killed he went after the people responsible on his own no one paid him to do it. Nassana is a little trickier, because I distinctly remember Seryna telling us that nobody paid Thane to kill Nassana, but then Thane says he "excepted the contract". Mmm. I still think Jacob is a hypocrite in that scene. He gets paid by Cerberus which is a private organization, much like the Blue Suns are (. And Thane is helping Shepard for free, because the attacks on the colonies concern him.

Hell, if you want to get right down to it, Shepard is a merc now, albiet a more scruppled (if paragon/paragade) than your average merc.

1) I'd forgotten about that contradiction, I say split the difference. The contract was out there, maybe several contracts considering how nasty Nassana was and he accepted it to help "restore the balance of his life" and didn't take any payment. It works and doesn't conflict with what either Thane or Seryna tells us that way.

2) My Shepard is a Spectre and has permission to operate in the Terminus systems, getting the job done however she can. My Shepard is also not a hypocrite, because she chooses not to judge Thane for his career path.

Jacob, on the other hand. Pot meet kettle. or rather Terrorist meet Assassin. As much as he tries to play Paragon the fact is he's working for an organization that he knows is responsible for numerous atrocities.

Except, he's not a terrorist. Stop using that word, because you're not using it right.
He works for Cerberus because even if they do nasty ****, he thinks they're the ones doing the most for humanity.

Working for Cerberus does not instantly make him a terrorist, especially when he never actually uses terror to get what he wants.

[Rynozeros]

how about Death Dealer?

[CC-Tron]

Deztyn wrote...

Exile Isan wrote...

Yes, Thane did go freelance, mainly because he has no other skills, but after his wife was killed he went after the people responsible on his own no one paid him to do it. Nassana is a little trickier, because I distinctly remember Seryna telling us that nobody paid Thane to kill Nassana, but then Thane says he "excepted the contract". Mmm. I still think Jacob is a hypocrite in that scene. He gets paid by Cerberus which is a private organization, much like the Blue Suns are (. And Thane is helping Shepard for free, because the attacks on the colonies concern him.

Hell, if you want to get right down to it, Shepard is a merc now, albiet a more scruppled (if paragon/paragade) than your average merc.

1) I'd forgotten about that contradiction, I say split the difference. The contract was out there, maybe several contracts considering how nasty Nassana was and he accepted it to help "restore the balance of his life" and didn't take any payment. It works and doesn't conflict with what either Thane or Seryna tells us that way.

2) My Shepard is a Spectre and has permission to operate in the Terminus systems, getting the job done however she can. My Shepard is also not a hypocrite, because she chooses not to judge Thane for his career path.

Jacob, on the other hand. Pot meet kettle. or rather Terrorist meet Assassin. As much as he tries to play Paragon the fact is he's working for an organization that he knows is responsible for numerous atrocities.

Sure if you leave out Jacob's noble intentions, the skills he provides besides combat for Cerberus, Thane specifically killing people for a living and that's pretty much the only skill he provides to earn a living
then there isn't much difference.  However that's a hell of a lot to leave out to make pot meet kettle.

[Vaenier]

I dont hate him, I just dont like him. He is boring, no better than a red shirt marine.

[Deztyn]

77boy84 wrote...

Except, he's not a terrorist. Stop using that word, because you're not using it right.
He works for Cerberus because even if they do nasty ****, he thinks they're the ones doing the most for humanity.

Working for Cerberus does not instantly make him a terrorist, especially when he never actually uses terror to get what he wants.

Fact: Cerberus is considered a terrorist organization in game.

Fact: Jacob works for Cerberus.

Therefore depending on your point of view, Jacob is a terrorist.

Modifié par Deztyn, 04 mars 2010 - 01:39 .

[Skilled Seeker]

justinnstuff wrote...

I personally don't see why Jacob gets so much hate. I always liked having him around.

Its cause hes black.