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[Nhadalie]

I find it hilarious that the same guy voices both Oghren and Gorim. They sound so different, it's amazing.

Oghren isn't meant to be a witty sort of funny. That's just not how he is. He's about as subtle as a hammer to the face. It's just part of his personality. He's very much a product of his society, up bringing, and caste. I understand that some people may not find him amusing, but I do. Then again, I'm easily amused.

I haven't gotten the drunk conversations yet. I need to talk to Oghren more. Which is funny, since he's usually in my party constantly towards the end. I so want to write a scene with him getting my innocent mage PC drunk.

Modifié par Nhadalie, 04 mars 2010 - 01:51 .

[Feraele]

Nhadalie wrote...

I find it hilarious that the same guy voices both Oghren and Gorim. They sound so different, it's amazing.

Oghren isn't meant to be a witty sort of funny. That's just not how he is. He's about as subtle as a hammer to the face. It's just part of his personality. He's very much a product of his society, up bringing, and caste. I understand that some people may not find him amusing, but I do. Then again, I'm easily amused.

I haven't gotten the drunk conversations yet. I need to talk to Oghren more. Which is funny, since he's usually in my party constantly towards the end. I so want to write a scene with him getting my innocent mage PC drunk.

Well I can appreciate that..some folks like the "pull my finger" brand of joking...I just don't hehe.   Again I will say I wish they had done something more original with "Oggie".

[Erucolindo]

Feraele wrote...

Nhadalie wrote...

I find it hilarious that the same guy voices both Oghren and Gorim. They sound so different, it's amazing.

Oghren isn't meant to be a witty sort of funny. That's just not how he is. He's about as subtle as a hammer to the face. It's just part of his personality. He's very much a product of his society, up bringing, and caste. I understand that some people may not find him amusing, but I do. Then again, I'm easily amused.

I haven't gotten the drunk conversations yet. I need to talk to Oghren more. Which is funny, since he's usually in my party constantly towards the end. I so want to write a scene with him getting my innocent mage PC drunk.

Well I can appreciate that..some folks like the "pull my finger" brand of joking...I just don't hehe.   Again I will say I wish they had done something more original with "Oggie".

Um, excuse me, it's "Oggy" with a "y" and not an "ie"..uh duh..newb

[Tereval]

A lot of people also just plain dislike dwarves, just as some people cannot stand elves.

I am part of the group who did Orzammar last and hence had little exposure to the character. I think the big issue I had is that he and Sten fulfill exactly the same purpose and by virtue of Sten's race being all mysterious and distant he became the more interesting choice.



Oghren isn't a bad character exactly he's just not as interesting in the context of Origins, I'm kind of curious as to what they will do with his character now. I'm skeptical but if Bioware can make him more interesting to me I'll be happy for it.



Also I almost always had Leliana in my party, she's cute and clever, but solely because of all the locked chests. So while it may be an aside to say this please lower the number of meaninglessly locked chests so I don't always want a rogue with me.

[lazuli]

• I dislike Oghren because he is crass without being cute or subtle about it (a la Zevran).  I find it hard to laugh at alcoholics. 
• I dislike him because he's hideous.  I know it sounds shallow, but when you're staring it something for hours on end it should have some sort of visual appeal.  I'm not asking for a beauty queen or the male dwarven equivalent, but there's just something about that droopy face...
• I dislike him because his stats and build are horrific.  Why do we have two dedicated two-hander warriors and no dual wield warrior? 
• Most of all, I dislike him because I am forced to use him for one part of the game.  Being forced to use any other companion for such a limited time wouldn't sting as much because they don't have all of the problems mentioned above.

I guess for me Oghren is the physical embodiment of my least favorite parts of the whole dwarf quest line.  I can't look at him without thinking of that stupid fight versus the spinning statue head that spits out screaming ghosts.  You know, the one with the glowing anvils.

On the bright side, the re-spec should at least get rid of one of Oghren's problems. 

[ExistsAlready]

It's because if you don't take him with you into the Deep Roads and leave Orzammar with him, or spend any time talk to him/working up his approval, you miss out on his personality.



Of course, I find his drunken ramblings and shinanigans funny. And a lot more endearing than Alistair's question-deflecting-nonsense or Zevran's rampant-perverse-sexuality-masking-the-pain-insde.

[Feraele]

Erucolindo wrote...

Feraele wrote...

Nhadalie wrote...

I find it hilarious that the same guy voices both Oghren and Gorim. They sound so different, it's amazing.

Oghren isn't meant to be a witty sort of funny. That's just not how he is. He's about as subtle as a hammer to the face. It's just part of his personality. He's very much a product of his society, up bringing, and caste. I understand that some people may not find him amusing, but I do. Then again, I'm easily amused.

I haven't gotten the drunk conversations yet. I need to talk to Oghren more. Which is funny, since he's usually in my party constantly towards the end. I so want to write a scene with him getting my innocent mage PC drunk.

Well I can appreciate that..some folks like the "pull my finger" brand of joking...I just don't hehe.   Again I will say I wish they had done something more original with "Oggie".

Um, excuse me, it's "Oggy" with a "y" and not an "ie"..uh duh..newb

Excuse me..."newb" ..but in the English language..if you know ANYTHING about it,  "y" can be replaced with "i" and "e" as well... 

There's your "edumacation" for the day.

[Feraele]

Tereval wrote...

A lot of people also just plain dislike dwarves, just as some people cannot stand elves.
I am part of the group who did Orzammar last and hence had little exposure to the character. I think the big issue I had is that he and Sten fulfill exactly the same purpose and by virtue of Sten's race being all mysterious and distant he became the more interesting choice.

Oghren isn't a bad character exactly he's just not as interesting in the context of Origins, I'm kind of curious as to what they will do with his character now. I'm skeptical but if Bioware can make him more interesting to me I'll be happy for it.

Also I almost always had Leliana in my party, she's cute and clever, but solely because of all the locked chests. So while it may be an aside to say this please lower the number of meaninglessly locked chests so I don't always want a rogue with me.

I can agree with this..or make the the chests "bashable" at a certain character strength...its annoying to always have to have a rogue in your party,  unless your main is a rogue.    Would be nice to be able to use that companion slot more often for the others.

[lazuli]

Feraele wrote...
I can agree with this..or make the the chests "bashable" at a certain character strength...its annoying to always have to have a rogue in your party,  unless your main is a rogue.    Would be nice to be able to use that companion slot more often for the others.

Off topic, but I read somewhere about Bioware's reasoning behind skills.  They didn't want to make any class useless by giving another class its territory.  This is why there is no "Knock" spell or "Bash Lock" skill.  Similarly, this is why there is no "Invisibility" spell.  There are third party mods, however.

[Feraele]

lazuli wrote...

Feraele wrote...
I can agree with this..or make the the chests "bashable" at a certain character strength...its annoying to always have to have a rogue in your party,  unless your main is a rogue.    Would be nice to be able to use that companion slot more often for the others.

Off topic, but I read somewhere about Bioware's reasoning behind skills.  They didn't want to make any class useless by giving another class its territory.  This is why there is no "Knock" spell or "Bash Lock" skill.  Similarly, this is why there is no "Invisibility" spell.  There are third party mods, however.

Sounds good, just waiting til the new mods are made in regards to Awakening, as I read somewhere that some of the previous mods wouldn't be compatible with the new expac.   

Thanks.

[Vicious]

Not many people hate Oghren, the ones that do always throw out words like 'crass' and 'rude.'



Others call him shallow compared to the other characters.



They miss that the whole point is Oghren is a very sad and messed up person, but he doesn't like pity or want a pity party unlike, well, everyone except maybe Sten.



So what does he do? He drinks. A lot. And most people, normal people, tend to be a lot less inhibited when they are drunk.





I find Oghren fascinating, and like him much more than every other 'shoulder to cry on plz' character.

[jesuno]

I think he is pretty funny. He acts like a total player, but still needs your help hitting on Felsi. The conversations with Alister as a LI for the Warden and Morrigan are hilarious. His drunken ramblings with a female Warden are funny also, especially if you play along. The scene where he knocks you out with his homebrew took me by surprise, it was priceless. Oh, and he brews his own beer, so that's another plus.



I think people take the game too seriously, Oghren and Shale injected some humor and were a welcome addition to an awesome game.

[Hayllee]

Erucolindo wrote...

As much as people like Morrigan, because of the way things end with her, it would be weird to have her show up again I'd think.

Maybe they should have had Oggy on the surface, in some pub or jail somewhere drunk instead of pulling Sten from the cage. Sten is an interesting character, but personally I barely have ever used him and he's fickle as it gets. All the crap that pisses him off seems random

Sten is bi-polar, you didn't know?

I personally am going around ranting all the way around the Awakening forums crying like a child on how many gaps there are and how this expansion probably shouldn't come out and blah blah.

I think we should just add Sandal as a follower with the way I see Awakening . Oggy's cool, but he easily gets on my nerves, and just doesn't seem like a good character to have so much based on. He's got the dwarf thing going for him, but other than that I just don't see why the developers would choose him out of so many others.

[Erucolindo]

Feraele wrote...

Erucolindo wrote...

Feraele wrote...

Nhadalie wrote...

I find it hilarious that the same guy voices both Oghren and Gorim. They sound so different, it's amazing.

Oghren isn't meant to be a witty sort of funny. That's just not how he is. He's about as subtle as a hammer to the face. It's just part of his personality. He's very much a product of his society, up bringing, and caste. I understand that some people may not find him amusing, but I do. Then again, I'm easily amused.

I haven't gotten the drunk conversations yet. I need to talk to Oghren more. Which is funny, since he's usually in my party constantly towards the end. I so want to write a scene with him getting my innocent mage PC drunk.

Well I can appreciate that..some folks like the "pull my finger" brand of joking...I just don't hehe.   Again I will say I wish they had done something more original with "Oggie".

Um, excuse me, it's "Oggy" with a "y" and not an "ie"..uh duh..newb

Excuse me..."newb" ..but in the English language..if you know ANYTHING about it,  "y" can be replaced with "i" and "e" as well... 

There's your "edumacation" for the day.

Yeah, but by putting a "y" at the end I get to use less letters cause i'm lazy sometimes:) Plus, any language is fluid and is dependent on the majority of people who use it. Pizza could be renamed blue if enough people used it like that:)

[Erucolindo]

Tereval wrote...

A lot of people also just plain dislike dwarves, just as some people cannot stand elves.
I am part of the group who did Orzammar last and hence had little exposure to the character. I think the big issue I had is that he and Sten fulfill exactly the same purpose and by virtue of Sten's race being all mysterious and distant he became the more interesting choice.

Oghren isn't a bad character exactly he's just not as interesting in the context of Origins, I'm kind of curious as to what they will do with his character now. I'm skeptical but if Bioware can make him more interesting to me I'll be happy for it.

Also I almost always had Leliana in my party, she's cute and clever, but solely because of all the locked chests. So while it may be an aside to say this please lower the number of meaninglessly locked chests so I don't always want a rogue with me.

As sexy as i find Leliana, I couldn't agree more with her unnecessary necessaryness (it's a word now damn it). It's very similar to what happened with Tali from ME, and in the sequel to that they made that part of her not at all necessary, so it makes you wonder why they didn't go ahead and just do the same thing with DA?  I mean if they put more then vendor trash in them at least...

[Zusia]

I would have found Oghren funny if i was 14 years old. Sorry but pull my finger bathroom humor doesn't amuse me nor do tragic drunks either in game or out. The devs deciding he was an old favorite of everyones was pure fail. I think another thing that bugs me like many others is the drunken dwarf cliché. Dwarves are not supposed to be drunken ignorant slobs. Someone earlier had referenced Tolkien dwarves as being so and they weren't, not by a mile. Dwarves should be stoic and fierce and publicly reserved keeping to their own until trust is won. I'd like to find the tweenybopper game writer who back in the early age of MMO's decided that dwarves were degenerate slobs and nut punch him.

Modifié par Zusia, 04 mars 2010 - 04:58 .

[Samurai_Steve_In_Paris]

I like oghren or howed yall put it... "oggy". I would love it if leliana made a comeback though... at the end of the game she did say she would like to travel the world with you. Morrigan had a few outcomes but will in most cases will either disappear and never be seen again or will in my opinion we will find here in some distant DLC because of the ending dialogue that i cant talk about because i think it would be considered a spoiler. zevreran wanted his freedom if im not mistaken. and i cant remember the others as I didnt care enough about them. and as far as ive heard alister is already in the next game. but hey i love oghren. he is like people in the real world. sadly a lot of them

[lazuli]

Honestly, why do we even need Elves or Dwarves in this game at all?  This isn't Tolkien or D&D.  To me, the meatiest chunks of the lore center on humanity in Dragon Age.  The fantasy races serve as a cheap way to make social commentary.  You can't really offend anyone if you make all the Elves poor and second-class citizens, because Elves don't actually exist.  Can you imagine the backlash if all of the Elves were replaced by a real world ethnic minority, especially when the only Elf companion is a ****son Assassin?

So what purpose do these fantasy races serve?  They don't spice up the setting because we've seen it all before.  Dwarves have beards and live underground, Elves are slender and live in forests.  Nothing new there.  Bioware did add their own touches, like the brutal caste system of the Dwarves or the poverty and persecution of the heathen Elves (though some other settings have featured this).  But this does little to divorce the game from bland stereotypes.

Here's an interesting video review that touches on some of these topics in a crude but humorous way:

www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/1096-Dragon-Age-Origins

[Oronduil]

Erucolindo wrote...

I actually didn't speak to Oggy much after I got him in my first playthrough, for some reason I started rushing or was to focused on Morrigan or something. Boy what I missed..Oggy's drunk conversations are some of the best. I don't drink myself, so I find people who are drunk to be funny, and then there is the st uff that comes out of his mouth.All that combined with the acting talent of David Lucas.

David Lucas?? HOW DARE YOU SULLY THE NAME OF THE AWESOME STEVEN BLUM!!!!!

Seriously though, you need to check the game credits.

lazuli wrote...

Honestly, why do we even need Elves or
Dwarves in this game at all?  This isn't Tolkien or D&D.  To me, the
meatiest chunks of the lore center on humanity in Dragon Age.  The
fantasy races serve as a cheap way to make social commentary.  You can't
really offend anyone if you make all the Elves poor and second-class
citizens, because Elves don't actually exist.  Can you imagine the
backlash if all of the Elves were replaced by a real world ethnic
minority, especially when the only Elf companion is a ****son Assassin?

So
what purpose do these fantasy races serve?

What purpose? You answered your own question. They serve to allow for social commentary. And Bioware have  made it more relevant than most. Some humans are out and out racists. But some are racist and dont even realise it. I have met far too many people like that for my liking. And dwarven paragons are a very interesting metaphor for the cult of celebrity that is currently infecting the world.

Modifié par Oronduil, 04 mars 2010 - 06:12 .

[Kulyok]

Well, Oghren is a drunk, he is weaker than Shale or my rogue or Morrigan in combat, his jokes aren't funny, and, besides, his personal quest involves another woman - and you can't even tell him that it's indecent and disgusting to go into another relationship so soon after his wife's death(or if his wife is alive and well).

[The_Abyss]

There's all the hate for him because someone's *insert favourite character* didn't get in and they need to vent it on the one who's returning. If it were someone else you'll get the EXACT same posts saying so and so who came back was lame and crappy and the rest were better candidates. Its just human nature.

[casedawgz]

Kulyok wrote...

Well, Oghren is a drunk, he is weaker than Shale or my rogue or Morrigan in combat, his jokes aren't funny, and, besides, his personal quest involves another woman - and you can't even tell him that it's indecent and disgusting to go into another relationship so soon after his wife's death(or if his wife is alive and well).

So his wife takes their entire house, plus her lesbian lover, and runs off into the Deep Roads and leaves him behind, he carries a torch for her for two years, learns of her betrayal and insanity, and its not okay for him to move on because it's indecent to BRANKA?