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[Dansayshi]

Hes got some of the funniest lines like;



"Are you a baker? Because youve got a nice pair of sodding buns"



* Oghren: (Sigh)

* Leliana: Is something the matter? Are you... are you thinking about Branka?

* Oghren: Branka--?

* Leliana: You loved her, didn't you? I've seen you, some nights, staring off into the distance with such sadness in your eyes. You wonder if you did something that drove her away; you wonder if she would have stayed if you had done things differently. She must have loved you, somewhere inside...

* Oghren: That sodding great dew-licker had a heart clad in iron. She only had one love—the Anvil. and later, the Anvil. Only sighed because I was gassy, and finally let off a good one. (Inhales) Should be hitting you right about now. (Laughs) Silent killer, eh?

* Leliana: (Coughs)



Ill be quite happy with Oghren in my party, id of preferred others but "he'll do"

[Asurablade]

Because you called him Oggy (jokes i dont care)

[Raygereio]

Erucolindo wrote...
-Wynne: I'm flattered..
-Oggy: Well I don't have the equipment for that, but whatever gets you ready..

That's not an exact quote, but it's an example of the kind of hilarious dialogue you get from him. His personal quest was great.

The problem is that is a personal opinion. You see a hilarious dialogue and laugh at it. I see a bad joke and just roll my eyes and sigh, humor is funny like that.

I don't hate him (it's character in a videogame for pete's sake; hating him would be somewhat silly), it's just that he shares the same roll as for instance the Black Whirlwind from Jade Empire; comic relief and I didn't think his jokes or his burping was funny. An unfunny comic relief character quickly becomes annoying.
It also doesn't help that in a setting that already has a lot of fantasy clichés they dumped the dwarven archetype of axe-swinging and beer-swilling on to the dwarf you'll spent the most time with. I can only think of one moment (more like one sentence) where Ogrhen becomes an actual character and not a stereotype.

I don't know, maybe BioWare put some actual effort into Ogren this time (instead of using tvtropes as a resource); we'll see.

[Alikain]

Feraele wrote...

Nhadalie wrote...

I find it hilarious that the same guy voices both Oghren and Gorim. They sound so different, it's amazing.

Oghren isn't meant to be a witty sort of funny. That's just not how he is. He's about as subtle as a hammer to the face. It's just part of his personality. He's very much a product of his society, up bringing, and caste. I understand that some people may not find him amusing, but I do. Then again, I'm easily amused.

I haven't gotten the drunk conversations yet. I need to talk to Oghren more. Which is funny, since he's usually in my party constantly towards the end. I so want to write a scene with him getting my innocent mage PC drunk.

Well I can appreciate that..some folks like the "pull my finger" brand of joking...I just don't hehe.   Again I will say I wish they had done something more original with "Oggie".

Come on Feraele he is dwarf that what they do. didn't you watch lord of the rings gimli and legolas always going head to head about the number of enemy they killed. dwarf like they fighting, drinking and women.

[Default137]

Karl45 wrote...

I thought he was really funny as well. I don't think it's that people hate him, it's that they think they are better choices if you could only have 1 companion.(Morrigan or Alistair especially)

He's a good character, but doesn't really add much to the story and he doesn't seem as fleshed out as the other characters(more of a comic relief char). Apparently he'll have more depth this time around.

How is a King and a Pregnant Chick a better choice then a Dwarf who needs more character development? >.>

"I SHOULD BE LEADING FERELDEN RIGHT NOW, BUT THE FEMALE FANBASE DEMANDS MY COUNTRY DIE SO I CAN TANK FOR THEM"

"I'M PREGNANT, AND ANGRY, AND I'M NOT WEARING THAT SKIMPY ROBE ANYMORE, **** OFF, LEAVE ME BE, OR I'LL KILL EVERY LAST ONE OF YOU, WHO THOUGHT THIS WAS A GOOD ****ING IDEA?"

Anyways, I was hesitent of Oghren coming back, but well, he has a kid now, and every trailer makes it look like he sobered up, considering he wasn't drinking because he was a Dwarf, but because his wife kind of dumped him, went insane, started sacrificing people, and created a Broodmother, well ****, I'd drink myself into oblivion to, and hell if I tried to be a commited normal person.

Modifié par Default137, 04 mars 2010 - 08:36 .

[Deception_2112]

Because i've never been a fan of a drunk dwarf who hits on anything that moves, honestly i don't hate him, but i would've preferred Sten in his place tbh...

[kingjezza]

While his drunkeness can be amusing and his threatening of Schmooples was comedy gold I just never liked him. Never liked two handed fighters and I always resented the fact i'm forced to use him at one point in my party when I never wanted to use him, at least when Wynne tries forcing her way into your party you can kill her on the spot.



Plus yes part of it is the fact I want Leliana back, the fact she isn't around makes a bit of a mockery of my Origins ending when in all honestly you would have had to cut her head off to keep her from my side.



Though I understand that everybody has their favourites and they were never going to be able to bring them all back, as long as I don't have to use Ogren at any point i'll be happy.

[Shipwr3K]

the only dwarf that I care about, is the enchantment broham.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Alikain wrote...

Feraele wrote...

Nhadalie wrote...

I find it hilarious that the same guy voices both Oghren and Gorim. They sound so different, it's amazing.

Oghren isn't meant to be a witty sort of funny. That's just not how he is. He's about as subtle as a hammer to the face. It's just part of his personality. He's very much a product of his society, up bringing, and caste. I understand that some people may not find him amusing, but I do. Then again, I'm easily amused.

I haven't gotten the drunk conversations yet. I need to talk to Oghren more. Which is funny, since he's usually in my party constantly towards the end. I so want to write a scene with him getting my innocent mage PC drunk.

Well I can appreciate that..some folks like the "pull my finger" brand of joking...I just don't hehe.   Again I will say I wish they had done something more original with "Oggie".

Come on Feraele he is dwarf that what they do. didn't you watch lord of the rings gimli and legolas always going head to head about the number of enemy they killed. dwarf like they fighting, drinking and women.

"You humans are all racist!"

Besides I am fine with Oghren coming back, as a comic relief I thought Zevran and Sten were better because they all were developed more (and their characters were much more serious).  Besides some of Oghren's antics didn't seem to fit well with the other cast of characters.  The sequence if you play as a female and hit on him is hilarious though.

[Sabriana]

People were miffed because of the misleading "Favorite Character" bid, and others truly dislike a semi-cliche dwarf, which he appears to be on first look. There are a lot of reasons people aren't happy with Oghren, but few actually hate him outright. At least as far as I could read on the boards.

Personally, I've never had much use for him, getting him late and all that, but I made a play-through getting him early and taking him with me a lot. After that, I liked him much better, especially after the gauntlet and the fade. My PC talked a lot to him, and she really felt bad for him and his suffering. Yes, if he is talked to and allowed to make his comments, it shows that he truly is feeling bad. His "hornet" speech is endearing to my PC

[VampireCommando]

i wouldn't say people hate him, i'm quite fond of him in fact, but i guess it just that people would preffer if there fav. characters came back in, i for one would jump for joy if they replaced him with morrigan, but i'm glad at least one of the originals is returning

[Shipwr3K]

the best speech is when I kick him out of my group. feels good man.

[Wompoo]

Ogren, best npc character in the game... honestly I am glad he is back, as I will not have to put up with a half giant who looks like he sucks lemons, a feeble bard, a whining limp wrist-ed king and a b/witch.

[blademaster7]

Bioware's announcement is what stirred up all the hatred. They stated that "an old favorite" is returning and that's what killed Oghren IMO.

Everyone and their mother got really hyped about their favorite character. When you're promising something to your consumers, you never set the expectaions too high. The higher the hype, the higher the dissapointment. It's a basic marketing rule. Bioware made that mistake. The announcement of Oghren got people going:

"Wait, why Oghren? I hate him. i want Leliana/Alistair... "

So, in the end they managed to make a large portion of their fanbase to dislike Oghren for no real reason.

[Schwinni]

scruffyryan wrote...

Leliana and morrigan wouldnt make sense so much if you're playing the new warden commander given their endings Wynne barely seemed to manage this kind of adventure 5 years ago, the dog seems obvious, Sten's ending doesnt really make for much of a return, Zevram was pretty attached to your old char, alistair seems to be king in the videos....Oghren is pretty much the only one who doesnt seem intrinsically tied to your old char or out of the country.

Leliana makes no sense?
Why does the epilogue say that she returns with my PC to the Grey Wardens to help rebuild the order?
Why won't she then be there with my PC?

You are right with Morrigan, Wynne, Shale and Sten. They leave.

But Leliana, Zevran and Alistair (who can be your husband) really should have been taken over - next to Oghren.

[Wournos]

I am irritated because of two things:
1. Leliana was discarded in favour of Oghren.
2. Oghren was, in the innitial stages, referred to as the "old favourite".

Who's favourite? It can't possibly be from the forum as I have seen a much bigger following for Leliana and Alistair.
My current concern is in which way the (Leliana) romance is aknowledged in Awakening, and I intend to ask people after release to get some inside information without spoilers.

kingjezza wrote...
Plus yes part of it is the fact I want
Leliana back, the fact she isn't around makes a bit of a mockery of my
Origins ending ...

That!

Modifié par Wournos, 04 mars 2010 - 12:32 .

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

Meh, Oghren is OK, but I'm not a big fan of his brand of humor. Of all of the DA:O companions I find him the least interesting and sympathetic.



IMHO Zev & Leliana probably would have been the best ones to bring back since there are so many endings where they "help you rebuild the wardens" ... which seems to be a theme of Awakenings ... and since their orginal romances had less connection to the "core story" of DA:O than Alistair or Morrigan it would have been nice to see them given time to shine in Awakenings.



Loghain also would have been very interesting to see as a returning companion. You REALLY don't get to see much of him in game and if you go through the trouble to get him and have him live it would have been cool for there to be a payoff in Awakening.



Pretty much any of the others except for Shale (DLC & she has stuff to do), Wynne (old & has stuff to do if she lives), Sten (went home if he lives), or Morrigan (she's busy guys, ask any new mother - or she really doesn't want to see you again) would have made sense. Dog would probably have been the most difficult to do though since he requires both specialized equipment and talents ... and Alistar might not have been easy either given how many different outcomes his story can have.



I suspect that Oggy was chosen because

a) He's cheap to do

The writers seem to feel like they didn't do him justice ... this is a "make up" game for him

c) He doesn't have a huge number of DA:O endings that would preclude him from helping

d) The dev's probably overestimated how much players like him since "he's funny."

[Springwalker]

So I guess I have to kiss my husband (Ali boy, of course) goodbye for a bit and hang with the drunken dwarf. (If you can't be with the one you love, honey, love the one you're with----ugh). I guess we will be hearing some old time married people jokes (take my wife, please?) And what am I supposed to do without my bodyguard(which it seemed was Zevie at the end of my game),

Modifié par Springwalker, 04 mars 2010 - 02:02 .

[Diogo Gomez]

Acutally I think Oghren Just have 1 ending... that is too party for months in Denmerim!! Wich by the way is way cool. I ask him if he wanted to come in adventure with me. He said that if I talked to him in a few months he might go with me. SO I think i's a good thing that he's appearing again.

What I don't understand is why isn't the Mabari in teh game. I Know I've complained a lot about this, but I'm not the type to shut up to stuff I don't like. I know they can't improt all the charatchers like, that wouldn't be good, my Zevran told me he was going in adventura with me, but I understand if he doesn't appear, I'm not the nice type of person anyway, but my Mabari... like it's my "dog", he was the only one that never annoyed me in anything.

[Springwalker]

As far as the dog----he wasn't even at the party----looks like I gave him to Sten as companionship for his long trip home.---anyone else notice that? And no Shmoopie?

[Demx]

I bet no romancing was decided on first, which left you with Wynne, Oghren, or Sten. Out of those three I would choose Oghren.

[bluewolv1970]

blademaster7 wrote...

Bioware's announcement is what stirred up all the hatred. They stated that "an old favorite" is returning and that's what killed Oghren IMO.

Everyone and their mother got really hyped about their favorite character. When you're promising something to your consumers, you never set the expectaions too high. The higher the hype, the higher the dissapointment. It's a basic marketing rule. Bioware made that mistake. The announcement of Oghren got people going:

"Wait, why Oghren? I hate him. i want Leliana/Alistair... "

So, in the end they managed to make a large portion of their fanbase to dislike Oghren for no real reason.

That is because for the MAJORITY of players Ogrhen woudl not be in their top3 favorite characters - and also none of his endings suggest that he would be coming back (versus other characters who almost always say they want to continue traveling with you...The only Fan fav that would have been unrealistic to expect would have been morrigan

[jesuno]

Siradix wrote...

I bet no romancing was decided on first, which left you with Wynne, Oghren, or Sten. Out of those three I would choose Oghren.

No romances where implemented because this is an expansion, they do not have the budget an actual sequel would, and the dialog alone would probably break whatever budget they had. And Alistar looks to be taking his role as King, so that axes him from the party (If he survived your story, in other case I'm guessing Anora would take his place). Sten leaves for his homeland, and Wynne is on borrowed time, so Oghren also makes the most sense in this case. Also, I'm with you on he's the best out of those 3.