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[redlight]

I can accept the fact that the characters I would like to see more of didn't make the expansion. It is unreasonable to think that Bioware can please everyone. I'm just hopeful that I can leave Oghren to rot without hurting the game play.



If, in Awakening, Oghren is a main character similar to Alistair in Origins, I'll spend my money elsewhere. We all get to vote with our wallets.

[Nhadalie]

Shipwr3K wrote...

MelodicCure wrote...

I'm not using Oggy or the chick warrior ever in this game. Midgets smell funny and women can't fight. Period. Women make mages and rogues for me. So I have no idea who is going to be my fighter other than my main character. From the lack of characters it looks like I have no choice but to use two mages as it is.

Madness. They should be in the kitchen. 

Go make me a sandwich already.

(Yes, I am female. And yes, turnabout is fair play.)

And mages and rogues can fight. If they couldn't, they wouldn't be in your party. So I guess women can fight after all. /sarcasm

[Cutlass Jack]

Wishpig wrote...

Cutlass Jack wrote...
But still I'd much rather have nearly anyone else. Not having Dog return is nearly unforgivable. And nonsensical.

Sigh... people including the devs have already explained why dog isn't returning and their reasons are sound... it's not nonsensical, you just really really want him back. I can understand.

A. Dog can easily die in DA:O, sense he isn't easy to implant *see below* putting time and effort into a character players may not even SEE isn't worth it.
B. Dog is not easy to implant. He is very tricky to bring alive, and relys very very heavily upon party interaction to come alive. What appears to be the easiest companion to create may actually be the hardest.
C. Dog needs his own unique new skills to account for the new levels. Thats allot of new skills to create and balance and christ, how much can a dog do?

Puhleeze. There is absolutely nothing going on with Dog that's not also going on with Oghren. Or any other character. Get serious. Its not like Oghren doesnt move or animate. I remember Oghren doing quite a bit of custom 'oghren time' moments.

Heck even the camera angles are nearly the same on the two of them.

Skillwise not a big deal. Dog got skills at a much slower rate than other characters. It would be 2-4 skills tops, and they could be exceptionally lazy and just make them all passive buffs. (Damage, armor, whatever)

[Shipwr3K]

Nhadalie wrote...

Shipwr3K wrote...

MelodicCure wrote...

I'm not using Oggy or the chick warrior ever in this game. Midgets smell funny and women can't fight. Period. Women make mages and rogues for me. So I have no idea who is going to be my fighter other than my main character. From the lack of characters it looks like I have no choice but to use two mages as it is.

Madness. They should be in the kitchen. 

Go make me a sandwich already.

(Yes, I am female. And yes, turnabout is fair play.)

And mages and rogues can fight. If they couldn't, they wouldn't be in your party. So I guess women can fight after all. /sarcasm

[Erucolindo]

Oggy is like he is to create intergroup conflict, to give your party members someone that they might not get along with easily, and conflict is fun.



As for him being forced, he's only forced on you for a relatively small part of the game. You don't have to take him through the majority of the deep roads, cause after you talk with him at the entrance, it pops up the party selection screen, and he isn't greyed there. You can switch him out.



Second, while mainly done for humor sake, Oggy's anti-social behavior is the result of being an outcast and a laughing stock among is own people. When Branka ditched him, he became the butt of jokes, and at some point he prolly just stopped caring about what other people thought about him and just acted how he wanted to. I'm not saying he was perfect before, it's just that being an outcast exaggerates socially unacceptable behaviors sometimes.



Also, his drunkeness and axe usage are not stereotypical dwarf behaviors. From the Hobbit, the dwarves were kind of gutless cowards, always sending Bilbo in first. Their vice isn't drink, but greed. Greed for gems and precious metals, not drink. It's the Elves from Middle Earth who prolly drink a lot and party.



As for the two handed thing, I agree. I've given him a two handed sword that was better then his two handed axe, and let him use that. Awakenings will allow you to go buy a book, respec him or anyone else, and make them to your liking. Wish they would have allowed that in DA.

[Wournos]

Timortis wrote...

Whether it's an overreaction or not depends on how annoying the player finds Oghren and his "funny" lines such as "shave my back and call me an elf". I didn't like him and I didn't like being forced to take him with me, and I didn't like being forced to do the final map of the Anvil of the Void with him.

That's the only amusing thing he has ever said. I guess it's because it doesn't involve alcohol, body functions and getting it on with anyone in a skirt.
He reminds me of a relative. A very enhanced version of a relative. I wouldn't go anywhere with that man ever again. Same goes for Oghren. There are other melee combatants to use.

[Hyper Cutter]

Oronduil wrote...

I think that quite a few people who aren't happy with Oghren returning never actually used him outside of the "Paragon of her Kind" quest.

There's good reasons for that, not least that he's a late entry in an already-crowded category (warriors, of which he can be anything from the 2nd to the 5th, and that's not counting the PC!) sharing the 2H "niche" with a character you get much earlier...

[Dansayshi]

I finally completed my prepared playthrough for import to origins, and, having used Oghren for the majority of the game as a tank with the respec mod, iv grown to like him considerably, especially at the end, some of the dialogue, its not the drunk Oghren you know, its the noble warrior in him. His closing speech is pretty awesome too, something along the lines of "you took me in, from nothing, and got me back on my feet" its full of awesome. Ill be quite happy to play awakening with him as my tank again, I want to see him develop back into the noble warrior he really is underneath.

As much as I think about it, hes the only char really that could be expanded even further, apart from Zevran or Sten, everybody else you pretty much know everything and the game wraps it all up.

Modifié par Dansayshi, 05 mars 2010 - 10:05 .

[MelodicCure]

Nhadalie wrote...

Shipwr3K wrote...

MelodicCure wrote...

I'm not using Oggy or the chick warrior ever in this game. Midgets smell funny and women can't fight. Period. Women make mages and rogues for me. So I have no idea who is going to be my fighter other than my main character. From the lack of characters it looks like I have no choice but to use two mages as it is.

Madness. They should be in the kitchen. 

Go make me a sandwich already.

(Yes, I am female. And yes, turnabout is fair play.)

And mages and rogues can fight. If they couldn't, they wouldn't be in your party. So I guess women can fight after all. /sarcasm

Yea but as Shale would put it they are extra squishy.  haha

[Wournos]

I have a new reason to "hate" him. His darn voice! He is right now being overly interested in Leliana's chantry robes and clothing and it's driving me and Beathag insane! Can he get more filthy?

[Feraele]

Wournos wrote...

I have a new reason to "hate" him. His darn voice! He is right now being overly interested in Leliana's chantry robes and clothing and it's driving me and Beathag insane! Can he get more filthy?

Oh probably...

[Noir201]

One good thing about being a mage, is friendly fire, so if he gets on your nerves, cold of cone his dirty mouth

[Feraele]

Raygereio wrote...

Haerja wrote...
it's an awesome warhound!! jeez....

You forgot the most important fact; he's probably the most entertaining character in the game (it's called personal tast, put down the flamethrowers).

Entertaining.....in a "pull my finger" kind of way....I guess.

[Kriztofer]

He was the character I spoke to least out of all of them, I guess I never found him that interesting in origins--hopefully he'll have more to say in awakening

[MarkyBoy147]

I just find him really 2 dimensional, like a childs vision of a stereotypical dwarf. I didnt find drinking and farting and burping that funny, some of the more subtle interactions between the other party members were much more entertaining imo.

Modifié par MarkyBoy147, 09 mars 2010 - 07:26 .

[Big_Choppa]

The reason I don't like Oggy now is because he got to be in the party in Awakening while my other cool party members didn't. Meh.

[Kohaku]

I don't hate him. I just never talked to, used or interacted with him. This will give me a chance to do so, hopefully. I really hope I don't get into common party patterns like I did with DAO. :\\

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

I, for one, am quite happy that Oggy's gonna be joining me in Awakenings. Not only do I get my old drinking buddy back, but I want to see his Happy Dance.

[Wournos]

Noir201 wrote...

One good thing about being a mage, is friendly fire, so if he gets on your nerves, cold of cone his dirty mouth

Haha. I'll remember that when I start up a mage.

[Toroi]

Like many, I don't think it is that people dislike Oggy, so much as that they are depressed that much more beloved NPCs like Leliana or Alistair won't be coming back. Its like reading the sequel to a novel you really like only to find out that the heroes of the first book all went shopping so didn't make it into the sequel, except for the one you cared least about.



In the case of the sequel, I would probably just take a pass and not buy the book. After all, a major part of what I like about the story is missing - the characters. Bio has done the same thing with this xpac - made a great story and developed interesting characters in the original, then just dumped them all but one. Then, they've given us a really short story in the xpac with much less time to develop the new characters.



Had they kept more of the original party members, they could have focused more on the story and just continued to develop NPCs we already knew and liked. So, its not so much that I hated Oghren, its just that I cared about others more and they're - just gone.

[Booglarize]

Timortis wrote...


When Oghren walks up to you first time you try to leave for Caridin's Cross, none of the dialog options allow you to tell him to get lost and he's forcefully added to your camp. Then, during the Anvil of the Void, when you first meet Branka, he's forcefully added to your party, and you can't remove him until a new king is crowned. It's reaaaaaaly really annoying.

Oh lord, I hated that bit. You really should have the option to just tell him to bugger off at that point - my personal opinion of him aside (which is actually mildly positive, I like the guy but not that much), it was really annoying to be knocked off my game for that bit. I had a settled party with really tightly-set tactics (I almost never had to pause or micromanage, even at higher difficulties) and in walks this poorly-equipped buffoon who has no clue about how to fight with the party. Really irritating. 

[Booglarize]

 There's one thing I never quite got - and that's the argument that it's a good thing to have Oghren as the sole returning companion because he didn't get as much development or screen time in the first game.
I mean just try and imagine, for example, how different Baldur's Gate II would have been if characters like Jaheria, Minsc and Viconia had been left out and the only one returning was someone like Yeslick because of his relative lack of "screen time". 

I should add that I actually like Oghren myself - it's just that this argument (which is in the official Q&A, mind you) strikes me as odd. 

Modifié par Booglarize, 11 mars 2010 - 06:53 .

[Dokarqt]

While there are other companions I'd probably prefer, Oghren is pretty damn cool once you give him a chance. I remember my first 5 or so playthroughs I dont think I spoke to him at all, then I made a dwarf commoner sword and board warrior and played throughout the entire game with oghren in the party(did orzammar straight after lothering).



At the end of the game when everyone gives you their speech before you set out after the archdemon, if you have enough approval (90+ I think) oghrens speech is pretty damn good. I actually found that Oghrens "goodbye" speech is the most heartmoving of all the companions in the game, even leliana/morrigans if you're romancing them.



In short, theres more to Oghren then lewd jokes and belching if you give him the chance.

[Taritu]

They said "a favorite". Oghren may be some people's favorite, but he's far from most people's favorite. He's not a big fan favorite.



There are reasons why Alistair/Morrigan/Sten can't come back, and Wynne is kind of old.



But Zevran, Leiliana or Dog would have made a lot of sense. (Dog in particular, what else is he going to do? He's bonded to you. He should be there.)



Now, granted, Dog isn't a favorite either, but Zevran and Leiliana have a ton of fans.



I don't really care, but Oghren, while I don't dislike him, was never one of my favorites.