Lapis Lazuli wrote...
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Wow, I can't fathom what the sky would look like at night on a planet in CMD that has line of sight to the Milky Way! It has been said that someone on a planet in the Large Megellanic Cloud could theoretically see the entire MIlky Way spiral rise and set with a width equal to 40 moons across the line of sight! Perhaps someone in CMD could see the MIlky Way rise and set at a width of hundreds of moon diameters!!!
Wow, that would be awesome...
d1sciple wrote...
i agree about the sillyness that would ensue if it came about that the Reapers are hiding in another dimension, but it seems the only logical conclusion as your theory doesn't take into account the Protheans.
what i mean by that is that the Protheans were more advanced than any race currently in this galaxy, they were even able to build a relay, a device we can use but one that no one in the entire galaxy yet understands.
when talking to Vigil it is very clear about the statement that the Reapers are hiding in dark space. that statement and the very name they've given to where the Reapers are suggest that they don't understand it as it's incredibly broad and non-specific and that doesn't fit with what we know of the Protheans.
if it were as simple as the Reapers being in another galaxy then given what we know of the Protheans we can logically assume that they would not only of known about it but would've added that into thier info cache and their design for 'saving' the next cycle.
I don't know what to think about Vigil. He knew so many things that he never explained how he knew. Hell, he talked in common tongue because he'd been "listening to our communications." So he became totally fluent in an alien language by listening to 3 people curse at geth for 15 minutes? That makes no sense. Which suggests it's one of two things: a) an example of poor writing or
a subtle hint that Vigil is not a Prothean VI but was actually a Reaper plant. Neither of those seems likely. Bioware isn't known for poor storytelling, and the entire exchange was easily avoidable. Shepard had the cipher and he could understand the Prothean's own language, there was no need for the VI to speak galactic common. On the other hand, the Reapers would have undoubtedly won without Vigil's interference so he couldn't have been a Reaper plant. Even if they did have some zangy Joker-esque (Batman Joker, not the sarcastic helmsman with that odd smell you just can't quite place) scheme to achieve their goals through incredibly complex and nearly nonsensical methods, you don't stop a straightforward plan that's in motion and assuredly about to pay off to do so.
Much of the rest of Vigil's chat is along the same lines. He knew so much about the Reapers it's hard to accept him at his word without some corroboration or at least an explanation. I'll buy that they knew the 50,000 year bit. Even Chorban figured out the signal interval and he wasn't exactly Mordin. But how did he know how to detect indoctrination? And why didn't he share that tidbit of information? I know he can't give a long scientific explanation while they're on the clock with Saren, but while he's giving us optical data discs that might be something worth burning you know?
He mentions the beacons... look at the videos of Shepard's visions from them. A lot of it is organic substances (unidentifable to me at least, my sympathies to anyone who can identify them) on circuit boards. At the end it all zooms out and shows a Reaper. The message, or part of it at least, is very clear in hindsight: the Protheans knew that Reapers were organic-synthetic hybrids. Why didn't Vigil mention this? At the very least when asked about the Reapers' motives, he should have mentioned the hypothosis that they do what they do for reproduction.
Instead he gives us the same garbage explanation that Sovereign did: their motives are beyond our very comprehension. I can understand why Sovereign said that but I can't see a group of the best scientists the Protheans had to offer reaching such a logical fallacy for a solution. We know it's not true because this is a story being told to us and that's too big a loose end to be left at the end. But even even if that wasn't the case, I wouldn't buy it. Methods are complex, goals... not so much. A nuclear power reactor is beyond the comprehension of a dog, but "we use them to give our tools energy to work" isn't.
Oh, I forgot to mention this in the other post... Re: Reaper motives. Have we ever considered that maybe the only reason they were building a new Reaper is because Shepard destroyed Sovereign? Their numbers are already... vast. They may not be trying to increase in numbers but simply replace what they just lost. As for the organic materials, I believe that they do this so that they can see from both a synthetic and an organic point of view. Legion is what gave me that idea. For all their studying of organics, combing the extranet for information, they still don't understand how we think. Legion said that the reason they study organics is because they're trying to understand why the Quarians attacked them and starting the Morning War. Think about the implications of that for a moment. The Quarian's actions are so simple that we don't even bother analyzing them. The Quarians were scared that the newly sentient geth would kill them. We fear the unknown. The geth simply can't understand these things which are simple to we organics. Likewise, the Quarians wouldn't have been so afraid if we organics understood how AI's minds work. We haven't the faintest notion of why some AI's are dangerous and some are benevolent. Neither side really understands how the others think. As Reapers cleanse the galaxy of all other advanced life, it's critical for them to understand both. So they build themselves with both organic and synthetic intelligences. Remember that the cut dialogue included a line from EDI at the Human Reaper where she said she was detecting a combination of hundreds of human brainwaves.
Hmm. The more I think about that "they were only building another Reaper to replace the one Shepard killed" theory the more I like it. The Collectors only started making it
after Sovereign died.
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