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Remember when EPIC Said Gears 2 would have a better plot than Mass Effect?

Débuté par MyChemicalBromance , mars 04 2010 03:39

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Kileyan
Posté 04 mars 2010 - 06:52

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TheBlackBaron wrote...


Uh, no, I'm not. Characters and plot are both equal parts of a story.


You are correct.

Except the ME2 main story was entirely divorced from the characters. Most of them had zero to do with the continued story. That was the problem. The characters and plot were not:  characters + plot ='s a great story.

It was Characters are their own plot. Then the story happens and the game is over. The two never intertwined, it was two different games.

Many would say it was a good thing they didn't mix. The main story was terrible, but the crew collecting and their personalities was a great game on its own. The game only got bad to me when I realized when I got my crew, the game was over.

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Posté 04 mars 2010 - 06:54

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Even IF you think the Mass Effect 2 is a step down from the first game, Gears is still a total mess. Story-wise its the equivalent of Transformers 2.

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Posté 04 mars 2010 - 07:02

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InvaderErl wrote...

Even IF you think the Mass Effect 2 is a step down from the first game, Gears is still a total mess. Story-wise its the equivalent of Transformers 2.


ME2's story is a mess. If you remove all the squad aquisistion and make it a fast action shooter, the story is bad........really bad. I woke up from being dead and am now a bad ass super soldier, joined a super sekret shadow group of killers. I went and fought some bugs, then some bigger bugs, then I blew up their base after killing some more bugs. I won, and I am a angsty once dead guy because the guy I work for is rumored to be a bad guy.

game over.

I'm not being an ass. The sum of the parts is more than the whole. ME2 is a much much better game because of the squad personalities. Just saying that the story in ME2 was not all that great and not better than many shallow shooter games (IMHO).

Modifié par Kileyan, 04 mars 2010 - 07:05 .

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Posté 04 mars 2010 - 07:06

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Kileyan wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...

Even IF you think the Mass Effect 2 is a step down from the first game, Gears is still a total mess. Story-wise its the equivalent of Transformers 2.


ME2's story is a mess. If you remove all the squad aquisistion and make it a fast action shooter, the story is bad........really bad. I woke up from being dead and am now a bad ass super soldier, joined a super sekret shadow group of killers. I went and fought some bugs, then some bigger bugs, then I blew up their base after killing some more bugs. I won, and I am a angsty once dead guy because the guy I work for is rumored to be a bad guy.

game over.


A lot of what you said is hyperbole.  A angsty dead guy? Were their even options to being angsty? Bad ass super soldier? And this was different from ME1 how?

Here watch this:

ME1's story is a mess. If you remove all the fetch quests and make
it a fast action shooter, the story is bad........really bad. I  am now a bad ass super soldier, joined a super
sekret shadow group of killers. I went and fought some robots, then some
bigger robots, then I killed their leader after killing some more robots.
I won, and I am a angsty oguy because the bad guyz are still alive.

See? If you want to debate it then do so but hyperbole will lead nowhere.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 04 mars 2010 - 07:06 .

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Posté 04 mars 2010 - 07:09

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Gears had a better story than say... Doom?

Maybe about on the level of Duke Nukem 3D.

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Mox Ruuga
Posté 04 mars 2010 - 07:12

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Kileyan wrote...

ME2's story is a mess. If you remove all the squad aquisistion and make it a fast action shooter, the story is bad........really bad. I woke up from being dead and am now a bad ass super soldier, joined a super sekret shadow group of killers. I went and fought some bugs, then some bigger bugs, then I blew up their base after killing some more bugs. I won, and I am a angsty once dead guy because the guy I work for is rumored to be a bad guy.

game over.

I'm not being an ass. The sum of the parts is more than the whole. ME2 is a much much better game because of the squad personalities. Just saying that the story in ME2 was not all that great and not better than many shallow shooter games (IMHO).


Heh, I see you're being charitable. The ME2 plot is worse than that, especially given the wrecking it inflicts on Shepard's character.

The fact is, Shepard isn't all that angsty about working for Cerberus. Especially for a Sole Survivor, this is really dumb. It would be like an FBI agent working with unreformed reactionary/radical domestic terrorists responsible for numerous atrocities, and not feeling all that conflicted about it.

TIM: "Cerberus isn't that bad. All the atrocities were committed by "rogue" cells. Your former squaddies have moved on. The Alliance won't help you. The Council won't help you."

Shepard: "Ok. We're cool. When do I start?"

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Posté 04 mars 2010 - 07:13

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InvaderErl wrote...

Kileyan wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...

Even IF you think the Mass Effect 2 is a step down from the first game, Gears is still a total mess. Story-wise its the equivalent of Transformers 2.


ME2's story is a mess. If you remove all the squad aquisistion and make it a fast action shooter, the story is bad........really bad. I woke up from being dead and am now a bad ass super soldier, joined a super sekret shadow group of killers. I went and fought some bugs, then some bigger bugs, then I blew up their base after killing some more bugs. I won, and I am a angsty once dead guy because the guy I work for is rumored to be a bad guy.

game over.


A lot of what you said is hyperbole.  A angsty dead guy? Were their even options to being angsty? Bad ass super soldier? And this was different from ME1 how?

Here watch this:

ME1's story is a mess. If you remove all the fetch quests and make
it a fast action shooter, the story is bad........really bad. I  am now a bad ass super soldier, joined a super
sekret shadow group of killers. I went and fought some robots, then some
bigger robots, then I killed their leader after killing some more robots.
I won, and I am a angsty oguy because the bad guyz are still alive.

See? If you want to debate it then do so but hyperbole will lead nowhere.



Really not worth going back and forth on. The characters in ME2 made the game. The main story was shallow and bad, no better than any number a squad shooters that have release in the last couple year. No......I really don't want to debate, it is a matter of opinion or taste, not a debate.

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Posté 04 mars 2010 - 07:16

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Kileyan wrote...


Really not worth going back and forth on. The characters in ME2 made the game. The main story was shallow and bad, no better than any number a squad shooters that have release in the last couple year. No......I really don't want to debate, it is a matter of opinion or taste, not a debate.


Fair enough, I can respect that.

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Posté 04 mars 2010 - 07:43

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Sorry, but I totally had to laugh out loud when I read the title. That's how funny it was, I actually need to type out "lol" because it was so ridiculous.

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The Angry One
Posté 04 mars 2010 - 07:45

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Gears of War has a story?

I thought it was just about an escaped gorilla with a chainsaw gun.

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Posté 04 mars 2010 - 07:46

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The Angry One wrote...

Gears of War has a story?
I thought it was just about an escaped gorilla with a chainsaw gun.


Don't forget Dom's wife, and the sea of manly tears that he wept.

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Posté 04 mars 2010 - 07:52

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Kreidian wrote...

Sorry, but I totally had to laugh out loud when I read the title. That's how funny it was, I actually need to type out "lol" because it was so ridiculous.


I just woke up and read it... what a joke.

#63
Balerion84
Posté 04 mars 2010 - 07:59

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EPIC and good story is oxymoron of epic proportions.
They wouldn't be able to put together above average story even you taught them how to write.

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MyChemicalBromance
Posté 04 mars 2010 - 09:10

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Sorry for this, but one more time: Character Development in Gears 2

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Terraneaux
Posté 04 mars 2010 - 09:12

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I talk **** about ME2's story, but EPIC is just making a bad joke. The Gears universe is like... Warhammer 40k without the irony. It wants to be cool when it grows up

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SpectreSeven
Posté 04 mars 2010 - 09:21

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The Angry One wrote...

Gears of War has a story?
I thought it was just about an escaped gorilla with a chainsaw gun.


Correction. They're all apes with chainsaw guns

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Jackal904
Posté 04 mars 2010 - 09:25

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Is this a joke? Gears of War 2 is a steaming pile of trash. Saying Gears of War 2 can't hold a candle to Mass Effect is such an understatement. Gears of War 2 is like a small fart and Mass Effect is like the big bang.

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Noilly Prat
Posté 04 mars 2010 - 09:26

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Plus, Marcus has a soul patch.

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kraidy1117
Posté 04 mars 2010 - 09:27

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Gears 2 had good multi, thats it. The story and characters where such utter crap that even comparing it too any Bioware game is shameful.

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Posté 04 mars 2010 - 09:29

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Noilly Prat wrote...

Plus, Marcus has a soul patch.


Hey, my renegade shep has a soul patch.  I kinda picked it because it looked douchey, though, since renegade shep is more than a little bit of a douche.

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Posté 04 mars 2010 - 09:30

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You just have to understand Epic's development process; once they've got the graphics nice and tight, and the gameplay mechanics are pitch perfect, then, with a month or so left 'til release, it's time to start writing that script.

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DeathScepter
Posté 04 mars 2010 - 09:35

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what story?

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Posté 05 mars 2010 - 07:30

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frokenscheim wrote...

You just have to understand Epic's development process; once they've got the graphics nice and tight, and the gameplay mechanics are pitch perfect, then, with a month or so left 'til release, it's time to start writing that script.

Don't forget showing reviewers LAN multiplayer and implying it to be Live.

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Reptilian Rob
Posté 05 mars 2010 - 10:28

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I really enjoyed Gears 2's story, it was very well done in my honest opinion. Is it on par with Mass Effect though, hell no.

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Firmijn
Posté 05 mars 2010 - 11:33

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Story isnt quality like mass effect by far. But I still liked gears 2 a lot.



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